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Why would someone care if the 3d glasses were Bluetooth? I assume they're IR?

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Bluetooth emitters don't stop working if someone gets up and stands in the way.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Hey there I was a Kuro Owner as well (111FD) and should receive my 929 on Saturday. I hope the black level is as inky as my Kuro was.

Looking forward to your feedback and comparison. Nothing like getting some new tech!
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Both sets were on Warm 2. I'll post the settings for each set when I took the picture when I get home tonight. I used the Digital Video Essentials Blu-ray and http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496 It's just the screen saver on my DVR which I have no control over the grey level as it's always consistent.



Yes I had an 111FD and enjoyed the set other than the DSE. Certainly the viewing angles on the Pioneer are going to be better. However, this set is very strong for a LCD. The black levels are fantastic with minor blooming. I'd be interested what the measurements are when someone gets a meter on this set. I noticed in the test patterns the color accuracy looked pretty good just throwing the set into custom. To be honest not a whole lot needed to be changed from the default custom settings. I'd have to go to a pro calibration in order to dial in the picture more. To me the minor blooming and lesser viewing angles on the 55HX929 outweigh the DSE and Phosphor trails on the 111FD.



It's pretty darn close

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Thanks for the feedback! The 929 really seems to be a winner so far from everything I'm reading.
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Bluetooth emitters don't stop working if someone gets up and stands in the way.

My view is also lost if someone gets in the way. No view in either case.

We generally just stop the TV if someone has to go to the loo or to the fridge.

Is there a noticeable resynch delay?

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Is your D8000 was built in January or April?

Some users said the newer one doesn't have poor uniformity.

I had an old build and a new build and both look like that picture when displaying that same color.

The D8000 is terrible.
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Can someone test the clock ?
Is the setting is reset if we unplug the main/ac cable ?
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I had an old build and a new build and both look like that picture when displaying that same color.

The D8000 is terrible.

Let me tranlate for the rest of the forum.

(Tyrindor's) D8000s were terrible.

Not all D8000s, but there is a percentage.

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Im back to give my impressions about my 929.

Even when the TV is off, it looks beautiful. I just tested out Tron 3D and Resident Evil 3D. I was very impressed, no cross talk at all!!

I am blessed to say I have a perfect panel, no clouds or flash lights so for.

2D picture quality is very vibrant and everything pops out at you. It puts my old XBR7 to shame.
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Let me tranlate for the rest of the forum.

(Tyrindor's) D8000s were terrible.

Not all D8000s, but there is a percentage.

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Really? Cause theres not one single picture on the D8000 thread that shows better uniformity than shown in those pictures linked earlier. If you find one, please feel free to post. I've read the entire thread over there and every picture posted looks the same. None of them even compare to the 2 pictures on here of the HX929's uniformity. Theres even a guy that went through around 8 of them, and they all had that bad of uniformity.

So, yes, there's a chance that there is some D8000s out there with decent uniformity, but its at most 5% of them if they exist at all. I've also viewed a total of 4 D8000s in stores, and they all suffered from it. It's just not extremely noticable during movie playback, and thats why some users are claiming they dont have the issue. If they put a solid color on the screen (black doesn't count because it turns off the LEDs) they would see the uniformity issues.

It affects most, if not all, D8000s. If you want to deny that, then you are probably just a D8000 owner that has passed his return window and trying to justify the price he paid. No offense. Load a couple solid colors, especially dark gray, onto a USB stick and you will see the same thing as those pictures... and if you don't feel free to take a pictures to prove me wrong
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My now dead LN46A750, had the matching HT-WS1R sound bar mounted above the panel.


Wishing sony had matching sound bar and mount for the 55hx929. So I could do the same thing.

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Im back to give my impressions about my 929.

Even when the TV is off, it looks beautiful. I just tested out Tron 3D and Resident Evil 3D. I was very impressed, no cross talk at all!!

I am blessed to say I have a perfect panel, no clouds or flash lights so for.

2D picture quality is very vibrant and everything pops out at you. It puts my old XBR7 to shame.

Great to hear coming from another XBR7 owner upgrading to the 929. I will admit, besides the plethora of tech upgrades, I am also buying this set for its asthetic beauty.
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I ordered from Cleveland Plasma and the scheduled delivery is Tuesday, I can't wait!
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I ordered from Cleveland Plasma and the scheduled delivery is Tuesday, I can't wait!

Are they an authorized dealer? For warranty purposes of course.
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Here is a better comparison of the 55D8000 vs 55HX929 trying to recreate the same conditions for the pictures. Some members over on the D8000 forum think I'm doctoring the D8000 pics as if that benefits me some how.

OK, this looks more credible now. Assuming both sets are calibrated and light output is same we see here interesting effects. Both sets have nonuniformity between the center and edge. D8000 has in addition plenty of local nonuniformities: bands and edges. They seem to be of such nature that should be visible in more critical content. One important aspect is if the D8000 nonuniformity is inherent to the tech or it stems from the manuf tolerances. It looks to me that it is due to tolerances: vertical bands can be due to small gaps in assembling optical system, horizontal darker bands due the LED light calibration, edge differences to the mounting screw pressure. This does not absolve Samsung but clears why the problems vary, why europeans complain less and indicates that next iteration of the tech may put locdim on the shelf of history.

What would be very useful is getting more pics from other owners to see variations between the sets.

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Hello,

Have you compared the Sharpness between HX 929 and the D8000?


Person to answer me ?

If yes, did you play with the settings ?
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Are they an authorized dealer? For warranty purposes of course.

Yes, CP is an authorized seller and has a very good track record.
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Besides the aesthetic perfection the HX929 could well turn out to be the model to beat, would anyone agree?
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Besides the aesthetic perfection the HX929 could well be the model to beat, anyone agree?
I can't claim to have done lab grade comparisons on the competing models - but I can tell you that my 46" HX929 produces an absolutely stunning image. It will be very interesting to see what kind of reviews it pulls down when they become available for that. I also think that it is easily the best looking display aesthetically that I have seen - and I did not really expect that, since I had not actually seen one when I ordered.

I have only had it four days and I finally had some time to watch it a bit more last night. The depth of the blacks and the ability for it to look exactly like it is off when it displays a black screen are exceptional. I see no blooming when it displays white letters on a black background, even from off center. Off center performance for a LCD is also excellent, as I see no image degradation at all until I get at least 50 degrees to either side. My Samsung this unit replaces was far inferior in that regard, even though I was pretty pleased with it overall.

IMO it is a very, very impressive TV, and I do not have a single regret. No more plasma envy for this boy!
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Well it looks like I'll have to vet the HX929 over the NX720.
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Bluetooth emitters don't stop working if someone gets up and stands in the way.
I never really thought of this.

Is it true that if you walk out of the room or if someone walks in front of you that you have to resync your glasses on the HX929? This definitely didn't happen with bluetooth as I walked clear across the house to go to the kitchen and my glasses were still synced when I got back. Is there a way to fix this by buying that "3D Emitter" included in the 3D starter kit?

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OK, this looks more credible now. Assuming both sets are calibrated and light output is same we see here interesting effects. Both sets have nonuniformity between the center and edge. D8000 has in addition plenty of local nonuniformities: bands and edges. They seem to be of such nature that should be visible in more critical content. One important aspect is if the D8000 nonuniformity is inherent to the tech or it stems from the manuf tolerances. It looks to me that it is due to tolerances: vertical bands can be due to small gaps in assembling optical system, horizontal darker bands due the LED light calibration, edge differences to the mounting screw pressure. This does not absolve Samsung but clears why the problems vary, why europeans complain less and indicates that next iteration of the tech may put locdim on the shelf of history.

What would be very useful is getting more pics from other owners to see variations between the sets.
Taking the camera's exposure into account, I do not think the HX929's uniformity would be noticable (at all) on any type of normal content and barely noticable in person even when looking at a solid color. You also have to look at the edges of the D8000, the left and right edges actually are much brighter than they should be, while the HX929 doesn't seem to have that affect. The top and bottom edges on the D8000 also have about a half of an inch of brighter pixels all along the edge (mine experienced this too), the HX929 also doesn't seem to be affected by that. The D8000 suffers from "gaps" or "banding" in the unformity which is it's biggest issue, because that makes it very noticable when the camera is panning on almost any source, the HX929 also doesn't seem to suffer from that. The D8000's uniformity is beyond terrible, and it's still barely noticable when watching your average blu-ray movie, it masks it pretty well. While the HX929's uniformity is not perfect (I never expected it to be) it's still a huge improvement over the D8000's uniformity, I do not think it will ever be noticable unless you are putting solid colors on the screen and staring at them. Even then I would deem it acceptable.

Also the D8000 does not allow local dimming in PC mode, while the HX929 does. This is a huge selling point for anyone that will be hooking a PC up to the TV.
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Taking the camera's exposure into account, I do not think the HX929's uniformity would be noticable (at all) on any type of normal content and barely noticable in person even when looking at a solid color. You also have to look at the edges of the D8000, the left and right edges actually are much brighter than they should be, while the HX929 doesn't seem to have that affect. The top and bottom edges on the D8000 also have about a half of an inch of brighter pixels all along the edge (mine experienced this too), the HX929 also doesn't seem to be affected by that. The D8000 suffers from "gaps" or "banding" in the unformity which is it's biggest issue, because that makes it very noticable when the camera is panning on almost any source, the HX929 also doesn't seem to suffer from that. The D8000's uniformity is beyond terrible, and it's still barely noticable when watching your average blu-ray movie, it masks it pretty well. While the HX929's uniformity is not perfect (I never expected it to be) it's still a huge improvement over the D8000's uniformity, I do not think it will ever be noticable unless you are putting solid colors on the screen and staring at them. Even then I would deem it acceptable.

Also the D8000 does not allow local dimming in PC mode, while the HX929 does. This is a huge selling point for anyone that will be hooking a PC up to the TV.

HDTVtest review unveils ultimate truth about the D8000. The conclusion is that this is a set with overall excellent performance but it is not recommended for videophiles Perhaps HX929 has excellent performance satisfying videophiles too.

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I'm not sure of the build date. There have been users that reported April builds with banding. It seems pretty hit or miss with that set.

Were you the one who had a Samsung 52B750? What happened to it?
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Were you the one who had a Samsung 52B750? What happened to it?

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Amazon now has these priced at MSRP with an estimated 3-6 weeks to ship. I guess thats better than "this product has not been released".
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Besides the aesthetic perfection the HX929 could well turn out to be the model to beat, would anyone agree?

Oh no..I would hold that thought. We still havent seen, at least the majority of us, the LG LW9500. The specs of this TV on paper has alot to offer. We just don't know how that will play out with PQ.

And as lame as it might sound to most, I still would like to see what Toshiba has to offer in the LED/ locally dimmed TVs.
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Oh no..I would hold that thought. We still havent seen, at least the majority of us, the LG LW9500. The specs of this TV on paper has alot to offer. We just don't know how that will play out with PQ.

And as lame as it might sound to most, I still would like to see what Toshiba has to offer in the LED/ locally dimmed TVs.

In all respect, it also is lame to think a set with passive 3d (resolution /2) and with that funky film ****** while watching 2D, can even be in the same ball park. LG showed their rear when they delayed the unit and switched to passive 3d. The Nanotech stuff is good.... but going backwards on the passive 3d and having that film on the screen all the time. It can't possibly enhance 2D.
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So, is the hx929 free of DSE?

Can anyone comment about other Sony LCDs models regarding minimal or no DSE?

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In all respect, it also is lame to think a set with passive 3d (resolution /2) and with that funky film ****** while watching 2D, can even be in the same ball park. LG showed their rear when they delayed the unit and switched to passive 3d. The Nanotech stuff is good.... but going backwards on the passive 3d and having that film on the screen all the time. It can't possibly enhance 2D.

Not to troll... But I dont know... With the excellent job the PR department has done for LG, are we 100% this TV is passive? Seems as though there has been a ton of different stories date releases and types of makes of this television(LGLW9500). back to the original viewing.. i was checking out the 55" HX929 today. I'm not knockin the HX 929 one bit. It is an excellent TV.
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Does any one have any picture settings that they would want to share?
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Not to troll... But I dont know... With the excellent job the PR department has done for LG, are we 100% this TV is passive? Seems as though there has been a ton of different stories date releases and types of makes of this television(LGLW9500). back to the original viewing.. i was checking out the 55" HX929 today. I'm not knockin the HX 929 one bit. It is an excellent TV.

And i took it that way also. Look at this link and scroll down to the 'Nano Delayed' heading. It was disappointing to me for LG to regress on the features of that set. In fact all of their 3d sets are switched to passive except Plasma. See what you think.

http://hdguru.com/3d-hdtv-format-war-intensifies/4290/

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