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post #1351 of 15574 Old 05-19-2011, 12:21 PM
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I agree as well, by the way has anyone used a skype can with this baby? If so how is the quality?
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well i was looking at it at bb today, and as i watched the demo when i would see movie trailers it doesn't have the movie theatre film look ,its just all super clear and sharp looking is that how it is or you can have the film look?
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well i was looking at it at bb today, and as i watched the demo when i would see movie trailers it doesn't have the movie theatre film look ,its just all super clear and sharp looking is that how it is or you can have the film look?

Do you mean that the image looked bad!? I only ask because I've only seen the terms "sharp" and "clear" used in a positive way!!
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I owned the 55" hx929 for 2 weeks now, my only complain is the blooming on the viewing angles, when i'm a little bit to the left or the right of my TV, you can see it pretty easily, especially when you see some white text on a black background.

I agree to this. It seems like there is a trade-off with local dimming:

If you do not have LD enabled, blacks are not inky-blacks but you will get a uniform picture even at extreme angles. When LD is on, blacks are rich, but you can see box-shaped clouding around white objects/texts from the LD darkening black areas around the white. This is mostly visible at angles, but not when you look directly at the TV.

It's a trade off, but then again, I don't watch TV from an obscure angle.
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Do you mean that the image looked bad!? I only ask because I've only seen the terms "sharp" and "clear" used in a positive way!!

don't twist my words around now, it looked good but not film like how the movie would look on a movie theater screen, just to perfect not sop opera like but clear and sharp like the sop opera like look
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Agreed, also I have not noticed prominent "blooming" effects one seat over on my couch approximately 9.5 ft away now.

You would have a keen eye if you did......

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I agree to this. It seems like there is a trade-off with local dimming:

If you do not have LD enabled, blacks are not inky-blacks but you will get a uniform picture even at extreme angles. When LD is on, blacks are rich, but you can see box-shaped clouding around white objects/texts from the LD darkening black areas around the white. This is mostly visible at angles, but not when you look directly at the TV.

It's a trade off, but then again, I don't watch TV from an obscure angle.

I watch from a slight angle. That kind of tradeoff seems like a bummer (dealbreaker?) for me.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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don't twist my words around now, it looked good but not film like how the movie would look on a movie theater screen, just to perfect not sop opera like but clear and sharp like the sop opera like look

Didn't mean it to look like I was twisting your words, just wanted to better understand what you were seeing!! Thanks for making it clearer for me!!
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I watch from a slight angle. That kind of tradeoff seems like a bummer (dealbreaker?) for me.

would one of them swinging wall mount brackets work for you of were you being sarcastic?
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... it looked good but not film like how the movie would look on a movie theater screen ...

Honestly, theater presentation has gotten so poor, I'm glad neither the hx929 or vw90 looks like "going out to the movies". They both look better.

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I watch from a slight angle. That kind of tradeoff seems like a bummer (dealbreaker?) for me.

With just preliminary calibration I see virtually no blooming, even from any reasonable angle that you would likely view this TV from. And unless I purposely screwed up the settings and moved to > 50 degrees off center I have never seen the type of blooming that was shown in those images from zerobrand, not even close.
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46HX929 arrived this afternoon. So far I am very pleased. Problems I was experiencing with the UN46D8000 are gone. Where the D8000 seemed to be form over function, the 929 seems to have its priorities straight. Finally after three TVs I think I've found a keeper. My one complaint with the 929 is the stand. For 3k you'd think they'd have designed the TV to be rock solid on the stand. There is too much flex in my opinion.
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46HX929 arrived this afternoon. So far I am very pleased. Problems I was experiencing with the UN46D8000 are gone. Where the D8000 seemed to be form over function, the 929 seems to have its priorities straight. Finally after three TVs I think I've found a keeper. My one complaint with the 929 is the stand. For 3k you'd think they'd have designed the TV to be rock solid on the stand. There is too much flex in my opinion.

Apart from the D8000, what else did you try?
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Also, why the heck would anyone consider buying from a place that has a 'no return' policy?? Even if it saves you an extra 100 or 200, that's unacceptable in my book.

100-200? I was quoted nearly a thousand dollars below MSRP from an authorized dealer. You still get the ability to exchange the set for a new one if it's faulty.

Also if you expect to buy a LED TV and not see blooming and some flashlighting you don't understand the technology, ALL of them suffer from it. If you don't like it go Plasma, which IMO has bigger drawbacks such as heat, power consumption, and burn-in.
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With just preliminary calibration I see virtually no blooming, even from any reasonable angle that you would likely view this TV from. And unless I purposely screwed up the settings and moved to > 50 degrees off center I have never seen the type of blooming that was shown in those images from zerobrand, not even close.

I'm in the same boat. My 55" just plain doesn't show that kind of blooming. But I think you said the magic word - "calibration". Out of the box, this set does show off angle blooming. The backlight and brightness are cranked waaaaay too high out of the box. The black corrector, contrast enhancer and gamma all also need tweaking and contribute to blooming. But without even a calibration dvd, I was able to largely be rid of the blooming. I think some folks just haven't played with the settings enough yet (although its also possible there are individual set discrepancies).
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Apart from the D8000, what else did you try?

I should clarify, the 929 is the third TV. 46D6900, 46D8000, 46HX929
I also liked the D8000 very much design wise. It just had flaws I couldn't live with for the next 8 years.
The main flaw is mentioned in an earlier post.
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would one of them swinging wall mount brackets work for you of were you being sarcastic?

No it wouldn't, my wife gets the really good seat; I get the better couch.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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It's finally in stock at Amazon if anyone cares.
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Took some pics of the bloom I'm experiencing. These pictures were taken from direct front and center, ~7 feet away from the TV. Note that this is not exaggerated in any way by the camera. In fact it's a little worse than what these pictures show. When I move to the right side of the couch, the blooms on the right side of the tv go away, and the left side's are worse. The same is true in reverse. I've tweaked every setting on the TV and nothing gets rid of them. Turning the brightness and picture down to 0 doesn't even eliminate them. I'd be interested in seeing similar pictures from those claiming they see no bloom.



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After a couple days now, I can confirm blooming from the sides, and from dead center, just abit, though not as severe as Iorek. Lowering backlight all the way and setting contrast enhancer on high helps but I didnt keep it on those settings.
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Do you possess the skills and ability to truly calibrate the panel? If your unhappy and want another TV why don't you swap it out and move on instead of reposting over and over about friggin blooming and perhaps you could identify for us which panels have zero blooming - please do take the time to make the list for us and if they are plasma then I'll vomit as plasma has a half dozen other flaws worse than blooming! Buzzzzz, Dirty Urinated on Whites, daytime washout, mirrored reflections, phospher trails, . . .

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Sorry but that is poor pic. My 2yr old samsung on the ps3 shut down screen did not look like that. How close are you getting? Not trying to flame. Are you using a cell phone? But my droid x took better pics of the samsung (ln46a750), than what you used. Looks like long expose, to close and maybe adjustment like few have said.

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Anyone got close up shot of the pannel yet? So we can see type panel used.

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Sorry but that is poor pic. My 2yr old samsung on the ps3 shut down screen did not look like that. How close are you getting? Not trying to flame. Are you using a cell phone? But my droid x took better pics of the samsung (ln46a750), than what you used. Looks like long expose, to close and maybe adjustment like few have said.

As I stated, the pictures were taken from 7 feet away. I cropped the pics so that just the TV was showing... probably why it looks like it's up close. As for the exposure time, I adjusted that on my camera so that the picture looks closest to what my eyes see. I assure you this is exactly what I see with my eyes... as far as the blooming goes, anyway.

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This forum has become USELESS with OCD postings that become some members hobby and simply screws with overall results!

I'm not trying to flame or be OCD, I just want to know if this is normal. When some people are posting saying they have 0 blooming from center, I have to wonder if my particular set is defective when I see what I posted in the pictures above.

EDIT: One more pic... I'd just like to know if this is normal.

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As I stated, the pictures were taken from 7 feet away. I cropped the pics so that just the TV was showing... probably why it looks like it's up close. As for the exposure time, I adjusted that on my camera so that the picture looks closest to what my eyes see. I assure you this is exactly what I see with my eyes... as far as the blooming goes, anyway.



I'm not trying to flame or be OCD, I just want to know if this is normal. When some people are posting saying they have 0 blooming from center, I have to wonder if my particular set is defective when I see what I posted in the pictures above.

Is yours a 46 or 55? Do you have your ps3 set for superwhite like another poster?
Lets get some panel close ups to see if each has same type panel. My tv did'nt make it here today, but should be here tomarrow for me to see.

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As I stated, the pictures were taken from 7 feet away. I cropped the pics so that just the TV was showing... probably why it looks like it's up close. As for the exposure time, I adjusted that on my camera so that the picture looks closest to what my eyes see. I assure you this is exactly what I see with my eyes... as far as the blooming goes, anyway.



I'm not trying to flame or be OCD, I just want to know if this is normal. When some people are posting saying they have 0 blooming from center, I have to wonder if my particular set is defective when I see what I posted in the pictures above.

EDIT: One more pic... I'd just like to know if this is normal.


i'm getting my 55 tomorrow, i have a "decent" canon camera, i'll set it to 1/4" and i'll take a pic of out of the box settings and after slight calibrations settings on the same movie since i own inception.

I think it would help a few people to notice if this is a common issue or just a few bad apples in the bunch.

To me personally it looks like too over exposure from the pic. My 3 y/o samsung lcd don't look that bad.

tomorrow around 8 pm i will be posting my results.
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Took some pics of the bloom I'm experiencing. These pictures were taken from direct front and center, ~7 feet away from the TV. Note that this is not exaggerated in any way by the camera. In fact it's a little worse than what these pictures show. When I move to the right side of the couch, the blooms on the right side of the tv go away, and the left side's are worse. The same is true in reverse. I've tweaked every setting on the TV and nothing gets rid of them. Turning the brightness and picture down to 0 doesn't even eliminate them. I'd be interested in seeing similar pictures from those claiming they see no bloom.




Judging along by how I can't even read the letters on the ps3 I can tell you have a pretty bad camera.

IF and only IF the letters would be perfectly readable and I could still see the blooming I would have my doubts but the letter becoming a bunch of white symbols tangled together there is something not right about these pics.
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Iorek, theres no way the set looks like that. The text alone is overly bright. You either have your contrast way high or your camera is really bad at taking pictures of the TV. Judging by the actual quality your camera is REALLY bad and has an extremely high exposure. There's no way the whites on your TV are actually that white, and if they are then your TV is very badly calibrated and probably why your experiencing this.

I also suspect that you have local dimming disabled. There is a type of game mode that also disables local dimming, from what I hear there is 2 different types on the set. You want the one that doesn't disable local dimming. There's no way you'd be experiencing blooming like that if local dimming was on. That looks more like flash lighting to me, which local dimming removes completely.

Also looks like you have a stuck pixel right in the middle of the screen, I can see it on all pictures.. just a bright white pixel.

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Note that this is not exaggerated in any way by the camera. In fact it's a little worse than what these pictures show.

Please explain to me how this would even be possible. You are full of it. Look at the blooming your camera is causing on the text and you claim the blooming is actually better in person? So you are telling me that you can't read text on your TV in real life? Even in that game's UI is completely washed out because of the camera. It's extremely white and blurry. There's absolutely NO way the TV would look like that under a proper calibration.

This guy is a TROLL!
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46HX929 arrived this afternoon. So far I am very pleased. Problems I was experiencing with the UN46D8000 are gone. Where the D8000 seemed to be form over function, the 929 seems to have its priorities straight. Finally after three TVs I think I've found a keeper. My one complaint with the 929 is the stand. For 3k you'd think they'd have designed the TV to be rock solid on the stand. There is too much flex in my opinion.

I agree with you. The HX929 addressed all the issues I had with the D8000. Enjoy the set!

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This guy is a TROLL!

I think that's probably the first time I've ever been called a troll

Anyway, I have absolutely nothing to gain by "trolling" this TV seeing as how I own it and don't plan on taking it back. It's a nice TV. Blooming is nothing compared to floating blacks, buzzing, and all the other issues I had with my VT25. It's also nothing compared to flashlighting, clouding, etc that plagues edge-lit TVs.

Local dimming was enabled in all the pictures, that I am 100% certain of. I also assure you the pictures reflect exactly what I'm seeing. If you say I'm full of it, then I hope you're right, because that means something is wrong on my end. You may very well be correct in that the settings are poor, though I've tweaked them for great lengths of time. Maybe I just can't hit that sweet spot of contrast:brightness ratio. Seriously, my only intention in posting the images was to see if this is normal or not. No need to get so defensive, I'm on your side!

All that said, I'm going to get the set calibrated soon, so I'll stop posting until then. I would, however, appreciate pictures from those who say they don't have any blooming.
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