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post #901 of 8235 Old 05-07-2011, 12:54 AM
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No problem! Interesting, I hadn't heard of the 3DTV Play stuff.. I've been a die-hard nVidia fan since my GF3 Ti 200, but I have to say, I'm pretty pleased with the Radeon 5770 for the HTPC. I'm keeping my beloved nVidia in my desktop though

The system requirements say it supports the 55LW6500, so I don't see why it wouldn't support the LW5600, unless for some reason it requires a 240Hz TV which wouldn't really make sense.

This guy was able to set his PC Monitor to 120Hz

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2145218

So if a guy spends $300 and I spend $2000, hell, I expect to be able to do the same (confused)

The 55LW5600 IS NOT listed at Nvidia's site
that worries me intensely
The other day I couldn't even sleep, I lost my sleep over it
Subway fixed it
I do not want to spend another $2000 (I already spent $1000 two years ago), in another 3D fake TV



Be careful with 120Hz TVs
I spent $1000 in Samsung 32 Inch 120Hz TV with PiP and everything

That TV was supposed to be everything

Well after I bought it I learned that even though it has 120Hz, the input is only 60Hz

the other 60Hz were automatically added by Samsung to make sports scenes better

So $1000 to the garbage haha (I like the monitor, I don't like they confuse customers)

So far I THINK that this TV is the same

I bought HDMI 1.4 cable
I can only select 60Hz from the BluRay,
and I can only select 60Hz from the PC

So two sources, both supposedly send 120Hz signal through a very expensive HDMI 1.4 cable, and the TV supposedly accepts 120Hz input

So why I am still seeing 60Hz everywhere?

I mean I already bought the graphic card, the BluRay 3D, the TV, the HDMI 1.4 cable, what more would I need?

Maybe Passive 3D means "cheap 3D"

if that's the case I am not interested, I need to investigate more

People seem pretty confused about Passive 3D since it's a new technology that only LG has I think

From what I understand, 60Hz will be the norm
However, 120Hz means it's 120/2

The picture below explains it


so if you have 60Hz maybe it is true 3D, since there are 2 images, each of one displaying at 1920x1080

However, one image is on top of the other, so the total resolution would be 1920x*2160

so if that is the case, if this TV can accept true 120Hz as input, then I do not see a reason for it not to work as an Active 3D TV as well

I will try it with Nvidia 3D Vision and then I will hopefully understand this technology better

I suppose a 3D Active Kit (3D Active glasses, IR Emitter, 120Hz input and output), would make this 3D TV capable of enjoying Active 3D movies with the Active 3D Glasses

I know there are like 3-4 kits out there for TVs that support 120Hz as input
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OK guys it's official
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/31...-control-panel

This is NOT a true 3D TV

"HDTVs do not accept 120Hz input; only 60Hz.

120Hz and 240Hz for HDTVs refers to video processing that is done internally by HDTVs to make video playback smooth and also "improve" the video quality so things look a little more life like. Some people say it makes movies look artificial.

Even 3D HDTVs are not truly 120Hz. Video input is still limited to 60Hz and when using it to play 3D games 3D movie the output is reduced to 48Hz; 24Hz per eye."

However it will be able to play @ 1920*2160@24Hz so in theory it will allow 3D

However, at 24 FPS, it won't be close to the 60Hz per eye that was promised

I understand that a TV is not a PC monitor

However, why does a $300 monitor is better than a $2000 TV?

My mom says she has headaches when watching 3D
I watched Tangled and it was AWESOME

However, the rest of the 3D movies have not impressed me

I am watching 1920x540 at the lousy 24Hz refresh rate (per eye)

so if you ask me that is not impressive

True 1920x1080 @ 60Hz per eye would be cool

So the Active 3Ds I suppose they do the same?

They should you the movie at 1920x1080 @ 24Hz per eye?

I suppose a PC monitor that allows a true 120Hz input will allow you to play Nvidia games @ 1920x1080 @ 60Hz per eye

I've been waiting 3 years for 3D to arrive

Sadly 3D is not ready, there is no PC monitor on the planet that has 32 inches, and that has a 120Hz true input

so, if the 3D vision works, I'll need to keep in mind that it's not running at 60Hz, it's running at 24Hz

that may or may not work (depending on the game)
If the game has motion blur, I guess it will work fine
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Should trumotion be on or off for these:

Games ps3
Bluray ps3
Sports
Tv shows

For sports, tv shows keep it on. Then games and bluray off to reduce lag?
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Rafara,

Buying tip: spend time researching BEFORE spending money not after.
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It sounds like they are doubling the refresh for 3D. They can't increase the resolution per eye. Each even scan line goes to one eye and Odd goes to another. this is made possible by a polarizing film (hardware). No software in the world can make a physical polarizer change. I'm sure it looks better though. Otherwise what would be the point. I'm just saying it won't be 1080 per eye, that is impossible.

Boo freaking hoo, it refreshes faster than the human eye can see, so who cares if it is only simulated 1080. If you know it is less than full hd before purchasing it, then don't complain about it after buying it.
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im thinking of getting 46LW6500
but in the same price range there is sony NX720 and HX729

any advice ?
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im thinking of getting 46LW6500
but in the same price range there is sony NX720 and HX729

any advice ?

You need to ask yourself, do you want to have multiple people viewing 3D without spending an extra $500+? If so, go with the passive. If it is only you viewing the screen, active may be the better choice. I'm too lazy to charge batteries and buy expensive glasses, so I went for the lg. I think the depth appears "deeper" on the lg compared to active sets. That is only my opinion.
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You need to ask yourself, do you want to have multiple people viewing 3D without spending an extra $500+? If so, go with the passive. If it is only you viewing the screen, active may be the better choice. I'm too lazy to charge batteries and buy expensive glasses, so I went for the lg. I think the depth appears "deeper" on the lg compared to active sets. That is only my opinion.

so 2D quality compared to sony is still good ? or sony will have much better black level and PQ ?

if no noticable difference , i would go for LG
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so 2D quality compared to sony is still good ? or sony will have much better black level and PQ ?

if no noticable difference , i would go for LG

Black levels will probably be better on the Sony. Don't get me wrong I love my 55 lg, but it could have a little deeper blacks. For the price and passive 3D option it wasn't difficult for me to pick it over the rest. With the backlight down and local dimming on high the levels are still very good.
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The cost of active at least for some mfgs like Samsung not a big issue now as glasses can be had for $50 and you get 2 free with purchase of a TV.
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I'm here at Fry's and the guy is trying to talk me into a sammy pn51d7000 for $100 more! Putting cost of glasses aside! What would give me a better picture??
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Rafara,

Buying tip: spend time researching BEFORE spending money not after.

I really don't care about that
I have 30 day return policy

I did invested time and effort before buying the TV but I had no idea what Passive 3D was

if you read the specs of the TV all it says it's "3D Ready"

So your post is not accurate to what really happened
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Does anybody knows of a 3D emitter that will allow me to use 3D Active shutter glasses on my LG LW5600 Passive 3D TV?

I am desperate to find an answer since I can replace my TV this upcoming week

I want to find everything before it's too late

Passive 3D glasses are cheap and the resolution cuts in half so I'm desperate to find a solution
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Quick question..

Does the optical audio output send dolby digital surround or is it only basic stereo?
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Black levels will probably be better on the Sony. Don't get me wrong I love my 55 lg, but it could have a little deeper blacks. For the price and passive 3D option it wasn't difficult for me to pick it over the rest. With the backlight down and local dimming on high the levels are still very good.
I tried a Sony 3D active, horrible crosstalk. If you want 3D, and I watch everything converted to 3D, then it's an LG passive.

BTW the conversion looks just as good as "Thor 3D" I saw last night.
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I tried a Sony 3D active, horrible crosstalk. If you want 3D, and I watch everything converted to 3D, then it's an LG passive.

BTW the conversion looks just as good as "Thor 3D" I saw last night.

i let the 55LW5600 amazing offer go away yesterday because i wanted 46LW6500 240Hz.

now im afraid if i bought 46LW6500 i will lose the 2D and deep black of sony.
very confused
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I wanted to drop something in here for those that are curious about this TV and haven't pulled the trigger yet, wondering what the 3D PQ is like.

I showed the TV to my girlfriend yesterday, first time she's had a chance to see it. We checked out Coraline. Over and over again, she commented on how sharp the picture was and how awesome the 3D was. My thoughts exactly.

I've said it before -- I don't understand the concern about 540 rows to each eye. The rows are shown simultaneously, and unless you're watching with one eye closed, the picture you see and the image your brain interprets includes all 1080 rows at once. The resolution drop is not noticeable unless you get up close and can notice the interlacing -- the image looks absolutely fantastic in normal viewing. Highly, highly recommend this set.

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I hope your momma dies

Now now. No need for that.

Keep in mind that you're asking questions about how to make a passive set behave like an active set in a thread for passive set owners. The people in this thread bought and prefer the passive set for a reason, and probably have no interest in making the TV do something it's not meant to do. You're not going to get many answers here.

I'd suggest doing some more research on the difference between active and passive -- no disrespect, but you seem like you might be a little confused about the technology and the differences. You seem stuck on the numbers. What's more important, the specs or the experience? If it looks good, it looks good, period.

Regarding your adamancy surrounding 3D Vision, re-read my previous post on the matter. It is unnecessary with this set. Playing PC games on a 3D set does not require active 3D. If you're dead-set on using the 3D Vision to make the TV behave as an active set (which it seems you are), why bother getting a passive set at all?? Just get another TV that meets your needs to use the 3D Vision. Save yourself some money and headache trying to figure out if it'll work or not and get something that you know will do what you want it to do.
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I apologize in the way I worded things. Could have and should have been a little more tactful in my responses. Thank you for the quick response and I'll refrain from commenting unnecessarily.
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I wanted to drop something in here for those that are curious about this TV and haven't pulled the trigger yet, wondering what the 3D PQ is like.

I showed the TV to my girlfriend yesterday, first time she's had a chance to see it. We checked out Coraline. Over and over again, she commented on how sharp the picture was and how awesome the 3D was. My thoughts exactly.

I've said it before -- I don't understand the concern about 540 rows to each eye. The rows are shown simultaneously, and unless you're watching with one eye closed, the picture you see and the image your brain interprets includes all 1080 rows at once. The resolution drop is not noticeable unless you get up close and can notice the interlacing -- the image looks absolutely fantastic in normal viewing. Highly, highly recommend this set.


Now now. No need for that.

Keep in mind that you're asking questions about how to make a passive set behave like an active set in a thread for passive set owners. The people in this thread bought and prefer the passive set for a reason, and probably have no interest in making the TV do something it's not meant to do. You're not going to get many answers here.

I'd suggest doing some more research on the difference between active and passive -- no disrespect, but you seem like you might be a little confused about the technology and the differences. You seem stuck on the numbers. What's more important, the specs or the experience? If it looks good, it looks good, period.

Regarding your adamancy surrounding 3D Vision, re-read my previous post on the matter. It is unnecessary with this set. Playing PC games on a 3D set does not require active 3D. If you're dead-set on using the 3D Vision to make the TV behave as an active set (which it seems you are), why bother getting a passive set at all?? Just get another TV that meets your needs to use the 3D Vision. Save yourself some money and headache trying to figure out if it'll work or not and get something that you know will do what you want it to do.

My problem is that I payed $2000 for a TV and I got cheap glosses

I went to Amazon and there are hundreds of cool glasses with shades in the sides that block the incoming light

But ALL of them are active

So I feel I bought something that's not widely used

I like my TV

I HATE the cheap glasses that reflect a LOT of light

The problem is lack of replacement glasses

Thanks for understanding my concerns

It was never about conversion it was about cheap glasses

So I can't watch anything in 3D really even with all lights turned off the glasses reflect a lot

This TV would be awesome with $50-$80 super high quality Passive 3D glasses
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I HATE the cheap glasses that reflect a LOT of light

The problem is lack of replacement glasses

I have a few of the glasses from the theaters and I prefer them.. The lens are less flimsy. If you haven't already, try those as an option.
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Buy a set of real D glasses. They are sturdy and look nice. And the tech is in its infancy, but I've heard rumors of Oakley making a pair.
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I purchased the set today. I play video games mainly on my TV. Why is the input lag so bad on this set. I switched to game mode and it is still does not work properly. Any tips to help me deal with the input lag. I really like this TV and dont want to return it.
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I purchased the set today. I play video games mainly on my TV. Why is the input lag so bad on this set. I switched to game mode and it is still does not work properly. Any tips to help me deal with the input lag. I really like this TV and dont want to return it.

How are you connected? Try using standard instead of game mode..
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How are you connected? Try using standard instead of game mode..

I have tried all the picture settings...the best I have found is game mode. I also switched the console settings on the xbox. If I put the xbox on 1080P it gets quite a bit of lag.
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My problem is that I payed $2000 for a TV and I got cheap glosses

I went to Amazon and there are hundreds of cool glasses with shades in the sides that block the incoming light

But ALL of them are active

So I feel I bought something that's not widely used

I like my TV

I HATE the cheap glasses that reflect a LOT of light

The problem is lack of replacement glasses

Thanks for understanding my concerns

It was never about conversion it was about cheap glasses

So I can't watch anything in 3D really even with all lights turned off the glasses reflect a lot

This TV would be awesome with $50-$80 super high quality Passive 3D glasses

You sound crazy, like seriously mental. I don't know if your joking. If not, then Godspeed my friend.

We want cheap 3d glasses. You need your eyes fixed if you think it's too reflective.
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This set does not work for video games....be careful.
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This set does not work for video games....be careful.

this is very subjective. Been playing for a few weeks. xbox and ps3 (until psn went down....lol) no lag issues here.
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jay what is your tvs settings at?
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this is very subjective. Been playing for a few weeks. xbox and ps3 (until psn went down....lol) no lag issues here.


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