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Actually to answer your question in more detail. When I looked at a 830 and 835 the 835 has more of semigloss look. That most likely gives the screen more contrast at the expense of glare.

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As for the clouding or flashlite effect, it's there, but nothing you can do about it. It is what it is....

Did you receive your 60"? When you say "there's clouding", are you talking about yor own experience? I ask because you said on the previous page (May 1st) of the topic that you will receive your LE830 within 8 or 9 days, so logically you don't have it yet. So how do you know that there are those issues? Maybe you see the clouding in a shop?
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I just got a 60" 835 and am concerned right away. I notice clouding extensively when the screen is black and also significant pixelation/screen effect when watching hd programing. The middle of the picture is outstanding but anything in the background is quite noticeable. I have tried the calibration settings posted on this thread along with my own tweaks with no significant improvement. My source is Directv but I notice the same with OTA hd also.

My prior tv was a 55" sony wega that never had any issues like this. (It had another major issue!). Is this something that all led's have so I just have to live with it or am I missing something? Any thoughts/ideas/comments would be appreciated.

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i just got a 60" 835 and am concerned right away. I notice clouding extensively when the screen is black and also significant pixelation/screen effect when watching hd programing. The middle of the picture is outstanding but anything in the background is quite noticeable. I have tried the calibration settings posted on this thread along with my own tweaks with no significant improvement. My source is directv but i notice the same with ota hd also.

My prior tv was a 55" sony wega that never had any issues like this. (it had another major issue!). Is this something that all led's have so i just have to live with it or am i missing something? Any thoughts/ideas/comments would be appreciated.

Thanks!

i actually own a 60 inch 925 series and i saw your post and i have a similar issue sometimes. I have a cablevision hd cable box and through extensive research i have found that the pixelation that happens sometimes on my tv is the direct result of the hd cable box. It has nothing to do with the tv. It has something to do with the cable box software and hardware. I had a 60 inch sony crt before i upgraded to this tv and the same cable box had no pixelation on that crt. Crt uses 60hz strictly for motion and these new ones use 120hz or more and thats where sometimes the pixelation happens. But its not everyday. Some days i wont have any pixelation at all!! So its the cable box. I wouldnt be concerned about it. I test it on blu ray dvds and it never happens.
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i actually own a 60 inch 925 series and i saw your post and i have a similar issue sometimes. I have a cablevision hd cable box and through extensive research i have found that the pixelation that happens sometimes on my tv is the direct result of the hd cable box. It has nothing to do with the tv. It has something to do with the cable box software and hardware. I had a 60 inch sony crt before i upgraded to this tv and the same cable box had no pixelation on that crt. Crt uses 60hz strictly for motion and these new ones use 120hz or more and thats where sometimes the pixelation happens. But its not everyday. Some days i wont have any pixelation at all!! So its the cable box. I wouldnt be concerned about it. I test it on blu ray dvds and it never happens.

Thanks Nirv....I appreciate the help and information.
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Imws am new to the forum. I picked up my 60le835 about a week ago and am now tweaking. I do have some clouding which is really bothersome. I was wondering what your final settings were. I'd appreciate it if you could post them.

Was also wondering if anyone has had their unit professionally calibrated and what those final settings are. I blew my budget on the set which needs to be calibrated.

Appreciate any help.
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Did you receive your 60"? When you say "there's clouding", are you talking about yor own experience? I ask because you said on the previous page (May 1st) of the topic that you will receive your LE830 within 8 or 9 days, so logically you don't have it yet. So how do you know that there are those issues? Maybe you see the clouding in a shop?
I actually got antsy and bought one from a distributor and hooked it up and saw that with a black screen it has some clouding. You don't notice it at all with actual tv shows or movies. Blu ray and nice HD images are amazing. Very nice tv,

But we have two sofas in our living room and the off access viewing (second couch where the wife likes to lay down), gives a color shift she wasn't happy with and we are selling the 60" sharp. A fellow abs member came by to help me packitup and doesn't see anything wrong with the off access view, it may be Sutlej, but my wife wasn't having it.

If anyone is interested in a 60le835 with about 4 hours use on it for LOCAL PICKUP only, please pm me. Looking in the very low 2k range for the set. If you in so cal I can probably drop it off if that helps.

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Yeah I can't figure out whether to return mine or not. The fixed dynamic mode shows amazing clarity but it is a bit bright which can't be adjusted and there is definitely some digitized ghosting which drives me nuts but only occurs in this mode. No idea how to get the picture even close to this mode in other modes. I can't figure out if the colors on this TV just aren't that good or I just don't have it adjusted right. There was a review on it where it achieved some very impressive black levels so it makes me think I am doing something wrong but who knows. I am thinking of returning it and waiting until later in the year for a nicer 55" but damn I love the 60" size .
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Imws am new to the forum. I picked up my 60le835 about a week ago and am now tweaking. I do have some clouding which is really bothersome. I was wondering what your final settings were. I'd appreciate it if you could post them.

Was also wondering if anyone has had their unit professionally calibrated and what those final settings are. I blew my budget on the set which needs to be calibrated.

Appreciate any help.

Hi please try these settings in standard mode...

OPC OFF
BACKLIGHT +16
Contrast +35
Brightness -8
Color -7
Tint -5
Sharpness +1
CMS HUE - R0,Y0,G0,C-5,B-19,M1
CMS SATURATION - r0,y3,g10,c-10,b-25,m-10
CMS VALUE - R-6,Y5,G30,C20,B25,M0
Color Temp - Low
Motion Enhancement - 120 High
Quad Pixel Plus - On
Active Contrast - Off
Gamma Adjustment 0
Film Mode Off
Digital Noise Reduction Off
Monochrome off
Range of OPC N/A
Power Savings - Off
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hi please try these settings in standard mode...

Opc off
backlight +16
contrast +35
brightness -8
color -7
tint -5
sharpness +1
cms hue - r0,y0,g0,c-5,b-19,m1
cms saturation - r0,y3,g10,c-10,b-25,m-10
cms value - r-6,y5,g30,c20,b25,m0
color temp - low
motion enhancement - 120 high
quad pixel plus - on
active contrast - off
gamma adjustment 0
film mode off
digital noise reduction off
monochrome off
range of opc n/a

imws, are these settings of the pictures you have posted? Are those pictures in standard mode also? Thanks
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all these clouding going on with these sets i when and got the 70'' led backight sharp
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imws, are these settings of the pictures you have posted? Are those pictures in standard mode also? Thanks

Yes that is correct, keep in mind that the pictures are a few notches darker than the actual tv image but they are very close. The last set of pictures I posted were shots of the standard mode with the above settings. I took some today that look amazing on the camera. I'll upload at some point in the next few days.
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Ordered the 60" 835 today. Hope it arrives soon. Can't wait to get it set up.

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Thanks imws. These settings look a lot better. However, I do get some hazing in black/dark areas which I didn't before. Great baseline for me though.

Clouding continues to bug me. I'm wondering if the set-top box could be my proble. Will have to set up a blu-ray player to see if it's still there. The clouding is very noticeable when changing channels with the set-top box in between changes when the screen goes black.
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Just tried something that made my clouding issue go away. Turned on OPC and active contract and voila!!! So far, so good. The clouding is gone. Will try different sources and see what it looks like tonight in total darkness.
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The vudu app in HDX in terms of PQ is very high and better than what I see from most cable channels. One could use this in lieu of a bluray player to assess the picture quality settings of the set. The 835 is easy to connect to the Internet. You need at least 20+Mbps service to stream Vudu in HDX however.
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Alas, I'm in Canada...No Vudu (or very much of anything else) for me...
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My 835 delivered yesterday. One full-height line of stuck pixels about 6-8 inches from right edge. Gives me a chance to evaluate while waiting for BB to replace.
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Some shots in standard mode...

IMG_2033 by breezinby, on Flickr

IMG_2034 by breezinby, on Flickr

IMG_2036 by breezinby, on Flickr

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Hi please try these settings in standard mode...

OPC OFF
BACKLIGHT +16
Contrast +35
Brightness -8
Color -7
Tint -5
Sharpness +1
CMS HUE - R0,Y0,G0,C-5,B-19,M1
CMS SATURATION - r0,y3,g10,c-10,b-25,m-10
CMS VALUE - R-6,Y5,G30,C20,B25,M0
Color Temp - Low
Motion Enhancement - 120 High
Quad Pixel Plus - On
Active Contrast - Off
Gamma Adjustment 0
Film Mode Off
Digital Noise Reduction Off
Monochrome off
Range of OPC N/A

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all these clouding going on with these sets i when and got the 70'' led backight sharp

Owner of a 46".

The settings that you recommended significantly improved my picture quality.

Taxi's recommendation to turn on the OPC and active contrast 'improved' the clouding... but edge light clouding still there and those settings hurt the picture quality.

Extremely disappointed and will see if there is any chance to return - but don't think that I can


Was really excited about this set too!

SHARP? U LISTENING? I'm gonna 1 STAR this everywhere I can find.
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[quote=darkist240sx;20218305]how does this thing compare to the 920? besides the fact that it obviously has 3d[/QUOTE

Actually all the 2011 sharp lineup looks like a downgrade from 2010 at least for me since it has worse 120 and 240 processing (very juddery) and the quality of the cabinet and stand got worse too.
there is no full flat glass design this year too
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It's true there are issues with the set and I've noted them with my 40" model. I have clouding and I've noticed some color shifts at the very edge of the screen on the both the left and the right. Thankfully I don't notice it very much during most of my viewing so I can live with it's faults.
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@IMWS > What do you think about the blacks rendering? Are they deep on the 835?
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how does this thing compare to the 920? besides the fact that it obviously has 3d[/QUOTE

Actually all the 2011 sharp lineup looks like a downgrade from 2010 at least for me since it has worse 120 and 240 processing (very juddery) and the quality of the cabinet and stand got worse too.
there is no full flat glass design this year too

Don't make confusion here. The 835 doesn't replace the 925. The 835 is not the high-end model but the mid-range one. That said not having a glass is an advantage: no reflextions on the panel.

The 835 onboards a new hardware compared to the 925: new "Quattron+" panel 20% faster than the one that equips the 925. Crosstalk reduction about 30% in 3D mode, 8 000 000:1 contrast (vs 6 000 000:1 for the 925), new gammut settings in the menu for better colors accuracy. So big improvements here. As a result you can't say that the 2011 lineup is a downgrade compared to 2010. If you want the high-end model wait for the 930 and 935 models that will come in Q4.
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Don't make confusion here. The 835 doesn't replace the 925. The 835 is not the high-end model but the mid-range one. That said not having a glass is an advantage: no reflextions on the panel.

The 835 onboards a new hardware compared to the 925: new "Quattron+" panel 20% faster than the one that equips the 925. Crosstalk reduction about 30% in 3D mode, 8 000 000:1 contrast (vs 6 000 000:1 for the 925), new gammut settings in the menu for better colors accuracy. So big improvements here. As a result you can't say that the 2011 lineup is a downgrade compared to 2010. If you want the high-end model wait for the 930 and 935 models that will come in Q4.

Your are incorrect about the 925 it is 8,000,000 to 1 same as as the 835; just check the sharp web site. In fact the specifications for both sets are about the same except the overall size, weight (glass screen) and the 925 comes with 2 pair of glasses. It's the only last years model remaining on the site as far as I can tell but you can't buy one--------no one has any.
We have a 40 inch 2010 820 in our MBR; wish I could find a 60 inch 820------I'd buy it. I happen to like the glass; IMHO the new screen is a down grade.
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Your are incorrect about the 925 it is 8,000,000 to 1 same as as the 835; just check the sharp web site. In fact the specifications for both sets are about the same except the overall size, weight (glass screen) and the 925 comes with 2 pair of glasses. It's the only last years model remaining on the site as far as I can tell but you can't buy one--------no one has any.
We have a 40 inch 2010 820 in our MBR; wish I could find a 60 inch 820------I'd buy it. I happen to like the glass; IMHO the new screen is a down grade.

Did you read my comment? It seems that's not the case. I repeat, the 835 is NOT the high-end model. That's why the 3D glasses are not included. And please also have look at the 835 reviews, you will see that the 835 integrates a totally new panel which is a "Quattron+" 2nd generation (the panel of the 925 is first gen): http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-revi...le835u-review/

So again, no downgrade. Please compare what is comparable. From an hardware point of view the 835 is superior to the 925. And that's normal due to the fact that the 925 is old now. And do you prefer a TV with an old hardware but with a glass or the contrary? My choice is made: picture quality and performances first. I really don't care about the glass in front of the panel. In real conditions such glass suxx due to reflections. People are so obsessed by the design and futile details nowadays...
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So how is the input lag on the 835?
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So how is the input lag on the 835?

I previously owned a 925. The sharp TVs integrate a dedicated "Viper drive" chip that aims to reduce input lag. It's available on the 925 and olso on the 2011 models, 835 included. The Vider Drive chip is activated when you select the "Video game" mode. If so, the input lag is very low and doesn't disturb at all the video game experience. Tested with my PS3/Xbox 360. To the contrary, if you don't use this VG mode you will have input lag. Also not that the 240Hz backlight scanning generates input lag. It's preferable to let it on OFF when the VG mode is selected.
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@IMWS > What do you think about the blacks rendering? Are they deep on the 835?
It's not great and there's room for improvement. If you're looking for perfect blacks you'll be dissappointed, for me it's fine.
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Did you read my comment? It seems that's not the case. I repeat, the 835 is NOT the high-end model. That's why the 3D glasses are not included. And please also have look at the 835 reviews, you will see that the 835 integrates a totally new panel which is a "Quattron+" 2nd generation (the panel of the 925 is first gen): http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-revi...le835u-review/

So again, no downgrade. Please compare what is comparable. From an hardware point of view the 835 is superior to the 925. And that's normal due to the fact that the 925 is old now. And do you prefer a TV with an old hardware but with a glass or the contrary? My choice is made: picture quality and performances first. I really don't care about the glass in front of the panel. In real conditions such glass suxx due to reflections. People are so obsessed by the design and futile details nowadays...
You may think glass suxx but not me, we have no problem with reflection------this just comes down to a matter of preference/opinion. Did you look at the Sharp web site the 925 IS 8,000,000:1.
The 60 inch 935 is probably going to cost around $2,800 or more if glasses are included; that means it will cost more than the Panasonic 60 inch GT30.
I read the review.
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