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Old 05-08-2011, 06:12 PM
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Just stating what I saw with the hope that others will be able to check out my observations on their own.

As I pointed out, I only have two local vendors that display this set. Neither is really good, and remotes are nowhere to be found.

I was not interested in engaging a sales goon to do a detail analysis.

My experience has been that sets always look far better in home than the store. I'm sure that applies to the Sharp.

I do think it is noteworthy that given the same feed, the Sharp 70" did not look as good as other sets on display. Some of this may be the size (smaller will look sharper), but the noise I saw in the picture on both sets was clearly there - while it wasn't on any of the other sets on display.
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So in your opinion the 70-inch sharp is only worth $100-$200 over a $60 sharp?

Usually TV get exponentially more expensive once you pass a certain size.

The Sharp 70" has been selling in the low/mid 2000's at a certain chain for a grand opening special. At that price, I'd say it's a steal.

If you're looking at MSRP I don't think the 10" advantage this set offers is worth almost double the 60" set, which I believe was around $1600.

That's my value evaluation. YMMV and everyone is free to use their credit cards however they choose.
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I do think it is noteworthy that given the same feed, the Sharp 70" did not look as good as other sets on display. Some of this may be the size (smaller will look sharper), but the noise I saw in the picture on both sets was clearly there - while it wasn't on any of the other sets on display.

There are enough people with this set in their homes, plus Chris's careful review to know that this observation doesn't translate to real use conditions.

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I do think it is noteworthy that given the same feed, the Sharp 70" did not look as good as other sets on display. Some of this may be the size (smaller will look sharper), but the noise I saw in the picture on both sets was clearly there - while it wasn't on any of the other sets on display.

Chad will be here to do up 2 more 70" Sharps, this will be number 3 and 4. Well see how these look out of the box, as more than likely you have seen. Of course we know nothing about the feed being sent to these units that you saw. God only knows how bad that could have been.
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Chad will be here to do up 2 more 70" Sharps, this will be number 3 and 4. Well see how these look out of the box, as more than likely you have seen. Of course we know nothing about the feed being sent to these units that you saw. God only knows how bad that could have been.

Wow, you must be selling a lot of these units then. Sadly I didn't have the extra money for a pre shipment calibration so I will have to manage, but I am seriously considering a pro calibration in the future since I have no experience with Sharp and how their settings work...

Just how widely have they varried so far in terms of settings? How useful would others user settings be as a starting point for a calibration?

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As for the picture noise, I am very sensitive to any noise in the image. I could easily spot dither on any plasma set, so I think that if anyone can spot it, I will be able to. Full report coming once my set gets here.

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There are enough people with this set in their homes, plus Chris's careful review to know that this observation doesn't translate to real use conditions.

I'd assume this to be true. I really wanted to like this set. My eyes just don't agree.

My local stores are really bad about in store setups. As to the quality of the feeds, who knows.

People who have this set in their home environments, with a decent HD feed are in the best position to evaluate what the set can do in the real world.

I'll certainly look at the upcoming 70" Sharp models to see how they look. I'm not too interested in 3D, but not adverse to having that option.
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I know this TV has full array LED backlighting but does anyone know if it also has local dimming?
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I know this TV has full array LED backlighting but does anyone know if it also has local dimming?

No, it doesn't have that many zones so odds are local dimming would look terrible and have massive blooming. Still, back lighting has many advatages over an edge lit design, especially in this large of a screen. (just imagine the uniformity issues that this thing would have if it were edge lit, the dark corners would be nothing in comparison)

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Wow, you must be selling a lot of these units then. Sadly I didn't have the extra money for a pre shipment calibration so I will have to manage, but I am seriously considering a pro calibration in the future since I have no experience with Sharp and how their settings work...

Just how widely have they varried so far in terms of settings? How useful would others user settings be as a starting point for a calibration?

Would be interesting to hear from those who did the Spears and Munsil calibration, how Big an improvement is made to this set!? So far, not impressed with any of the Out of the Box Sharps I've seen! The factory calibration must be rushed?
When is ChadB going to publish his review and his overall points given? Went in to get one of these sets, both places my Reference Blu-ray made the sets look worse then what I already have!
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Would be interesting to hear from those who did the Spears and Munsil calibration, how Big an improvement is made to this set!? So far, not impressed with any of the Out of the Box Sharps I've seen! The factory calibration must be rushed?
When is ChadB going to publish his review and his overall points given? Went in to get one of these sets, both places my Reference Blu-ray made the sets look worse then what I already have!

Chad B has already published his review. You will find it near the beginning of the thread.
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Would be interesting to hear from those who did the Spears and Munsil calibration, how Big an improvement is made to this set!? So far, not impressed with any of the Out of the Box Sharps I've seen! The factory calibration must be rushed?
When is ChadB going to publish his review and his overall points given? Went in to get one of these sets, both places my Reference Blu-ray made the sets look worse then what I already have!

I'm by no means an expert on factory calibrations, other than the fact that most sets seem to be set up to be sold in the horrible lighting in a showroom, as opposed to conforming to NTSC standards in the home environment.

...and by the plethora of comments about how this unit doesn't look as good compared to others in said showrooms, I can see why the manufacturers take this approach, since the majority of buyers base their decision on an un-calibrated in-store comparison.

Thank goodness these forums exist, so we can share information; and a big thank-you to all of the calibrators and small selection of sellers who care enough, and recognize the segment of the population who want to "get it right"...
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Just interesting that Samsung announced the 75" D9500 for release in S. Korea and then a future 70" Ultra Hi Def in the future.

However, the laughing point is the initial price on Engadget is a $17,600 for the 75" Samsung. OUCH!!!

How many Sharps can you buy for that thing? Maybe 6.

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^Idiotic.

Samsung used to be the Hyundai/Kia of the electronics world, that is, a lower priced, high quality alternative.

Now Samsung has turned into the Sony of the '90s and early '00, that is, overpriced with median build and picture quality.
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Does anyone know why the volume gets so low when I input to a Blu-Ray player?

This also occured on my previous Sony 52XBR2 with a different Blu-Ray player and different HDMI cable.

Picture looks good to me but the speakers seem poor compared to the Sony XBR.
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The Samsung "ultra def" was shown earlier not really related to the 75" announcement, just cross-linked at Engadget. It's probably something they'll get excited about in 2012-13 for marketing reasons.

"Good news" is that the Samsung 75" is supposedly "only" going to be $13K, so you get just 4 Sharp 70" instead!

Seriously, Samsung plans on selling some quantity of 75s that is approaching zero. I don't really even get why they bother with stuff like that. Sharp, on the other hand, is obviously serious about volume production of their 70-inch line.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Got my wattmeter in today. Some interesting results:

Standby: 27 W in the first minute but then drops to 0 !
Normal operation: 160W
Power saving mode standard 110W
Power saving advanced 48w !!!

All in all, it seems they had power efficiency as one of the development goals
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mine arrives tomorrow. !!! whats the forum consensus on the best settings thus far (outside of a Chad calibration) :0
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mine arrives tomorrow. !!! whats the forum consensus on the best settings thus far (outside of a Chad calibration) :0
I think the only thing *everybody* agrees on is that you should switch the 'film mode' to off (since it introduces artifacts). The rest is pretty much a matter of personal taste.

I printed out all of the calibration settings users posted here, wasn't very helpful to me personally (most settings differ from person to person and it turned out my preferences were again pretty much different). It might be a good starting point though to do the same.
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Got my wattmeter in today. Some interesting results:

Standby: 27 W in the first minute but then drops to 0 !
Normal operation: 160W
Power saving mode (both standard and advanced) 110W

All in all, it seems they had power efficiency as one of the development goals

WOW! Those are some nice numbers on the power front, beats the crap out of my old 42" plasma.

Heck, my 40" Samsung LCD draws 180w max. (yes, I know it uses less in actual operation, but still) very impressive.

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Got my wattmeter in today. Some interesting results:

Standby: 27 W in the first minute but then drops to 0 !
Normal operation: 160W
Power saving mode (both standard and advanced) 110W

All in all, it seems they had power efficiency as one of the development goals

Those numbers are nothing short of extraordinary. I'd love someone to confirm the operating numbers, but bravo Sharp.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Those numbers are nothing short of extraordinary. I'd love someone to confirm the operating numbers, but bravo Sharp.

Yeah, would like to have someone else confirm the numbers as well, to make sure my wattmeter isn't broken, almost can't believe the numbers I'm getting I checked everything again, I made a mistake with the 42" Samsung (deleted that comment). That TV uses 160W in normal operation and then drops to 0 in standby, which makes sense. But it's thus the more interesting to see the 70" Sharp uses that same wattage in normal operation and can even be used at less than 110W in power saving mode, for only a very small sacrifice ...
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Finally saw this set at our local BB today and watched it for about an hour. Unfortunately, it was set in torch mode, as were all of the displays and no one seemed to know where the remote was so I could set different modes, etc. However, I can say that it compared favorably to the other displays. Although there was some slight darkening in the extreme corners, it was only noticeable when the entire screen was white or a bright color. I did not notice any lack of sharpness compared to the other sets and it was equally as bright as anything in the store. If that is the worst this set can look, I think we have a winner. The salesman was already discussing price-matching and a descent towards the low $2k's by the end of the year. I now know there is a suitable replacement for my 70" XBR2.
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I got a third look at this set at via Sears yesterday. I had seen it when the set first came out, and then at my local BB.

BB had the better setup, as far as viewing angle. There I noticed that there were darkened corners and noise visible in the details of the picture when displaying something other than a solid color image. This was with their demo loop, which contained a mix of ads and some clips from various films.

Sears also had their demo loop going. The set they had on display was on a raised platform and was sitting on a stand. Basically, you had to look up at the set. Viewing from dead center wasn't possible, due to a display aisle directly in front of the set.

The set at Sears did not have as bad a drop off in the corners. Not sure if this was the set, or the viewing angle, but the corners of the set blended in well with the rest of the image.

Noise was present in the picture. Part of their demo included a talking head standing infront of a wall that looked like it was contructed of brick like material. You could easily see noise at the joints of the bricks. The Samsung 55" set sitting right next to it showed no noise running the same demo loop.

Looking at the various 60" Sharps showed no noise at all. They had a couple of models on display and they all looked great - same demo material.

I love the size of this set, and I know it will look better at home with a decent signal. I do see where Sharp must have cut come corners to deliver it at a price point.

Looking forward to the other models in this size. Hopefully the electronics will up the image quality from what I percieve as "ok" to something that drops one's jaw.

At the current price level, I'd pass on this set. It is about double Sharp's 60" model that look considerably better (to me).

If the set sold for a slight premium over the 60" model ($100-200) I might be tempted to give it a try.

ONE of many things i like about this set is the ABSENCE of noise in the picture. ONE torture test is the begining of CASINO ROYALE (007, with DANIEL CRAIG). IT is shot in a grainy black and white (purposely), however there is a significant amount of noise that is in deed something most sets struggle with. With the digital noise reduction option selected at low, most of this noise is gone, with minimal down side to the picture. My chief complaint with this set remains the blurry/blotchyness(my word), when horizontal pans take place. It is like some shadows, or areas of grain are added to the picture (is this what is DSE?). As soon as the pan stop,the picture pops into perfect focus. If this problem can be eliminated, or substantially reduced in SHARPS higher priced units ,than i would say one would have something close to a perfect video display, that should satisfy most. Of course if you want a really big, and emersive display one needs to go to front projection, and i am lucky to have a dedicated room with three screens (two are automated, for different aspect ratios (1:85, and other at 1:77) that drop down,in front of a fixed 2:35 display (11 feet diagonal).
THE SHARP does offer alot of bang for the buck.
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I think the only thing *everybody* agrees on is that you should switch the 'film mode' to off (since it introduces artifacts). The rest is pretty much a matter of personal taste.

Digital noise reduction off is a big one too, and since that's in the Advanced Menu, it means Movie mode.

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My chief complaint with this set remains the blurry/blotchyness(my word), when horizontal pans take place. It is like some shadows, or areas of grain are added to the picture (is this what is DSE?). As soon as the pan stop,the picture pops into perfect focus.
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This might be due to the use of digital noise reduction, or it might be the DSE you are seeing. Try it with noise reduction off.

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This might be due to the use of digital noise reduction, or it might be the DSE you are seeing. Try it with noise reduction off.

HAVE TRIED it both ways, the issue remains, no matter how i have set configured. When there are horizontal pans, the set has this issue. Strangely a vertical pan doesnt show this issue. When there is a steady, well lit scene, with no panning, the picuture can be quite spectacular at times. For the price point this things sells for, is still quite a buy, even with this issue.

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HAVE TRIED it both ways, the issue remains, no matter how i have set configured. When there are horizontal pans, the set has this issue. Strangely a vertical pan doesnt show this issue. When there is a steady, well lit scene, with no panning, the picuture can be quite spectacular at times. For the price point this things sells for, is still quite a buy, even with this issue.

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I have not had a problem with horizontal panning.

Can you please give the name and time stamps of some movies so I can check my set?
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Pick mine up on Wed and will install it on Thursday. I will post pics once it is mounted.
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Edited the power consumption results in my other post on this page. I was measuring everything again, now kept running every mode a bit longer and saw that 'advanced' power mode drops power consumption after a few seconds of running that mode to ... 48 w !!! Freakin' amazing, my 21" LCD monitor uses that Ok, this mode does look quite a bit less appealing, but man ... 48w !! You now definately have something to shut up those environmentalists complaining about big flatscreens ... If you want to save the environment, buy this 70" sharp !

btw, i checked pretty much all of my electronics and am sure my wattmeter is ok (since i got results according to manuals etc, even though I wouldnt believe my water boiler uses 1500w, it really does ).
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