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No lag that I've noticed with PC or PS3. What I think you'll find is you prefer the panny for 2D and vizio for 3D. Just a guess.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I guess it's a tradeoff. I think the real question is how far off if any is the vizio in terms of 2d picture quality from the panny st30? I might I have to buy it to check it out I guess though the inevitable return of one of them is going to be a hassle!
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Does anyone know what the media app does or how to use it?

Plug in a USB thumb drive on the side of the TV with some pics/music on it. The media player allows you to view/listen.
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Has anyone noticed that with this latest update the guide button now just displays exacty what the info buttone does now? Mine used to show like a tv guide now i just get what channel and resolution.
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Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I guess it's a tradeoff. I think the real question is how far off if any is the vizio in terms of 2d picture quality from the panny st30? I might I have to buy it to check it out I guess though the inevitable return of one of them is going to be a hassle!
Yep. Everything in life is a tradeoff. For me, I don't think I'll ever get an active 3D TV even if I have to suffer a slight 2D degradation. I'll probably go with a 70" passive if someone makes one when my 60" Sony RPTV goes out.

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I'm having a network connectivity issue and wondering if anyone else has experience this or similar. I cannot connect through any of the internet apps. In the network settings, I have tested the connection which says connected and great signal strenght, though it says for Download - Not Available. My internet apps (netflix) has worked great all along up until the other day. Any ideas for why it's not working or how to fix? Thanks!

It's also weird that I tried to go to the vizio website to get customer support/help # and it seems their website is down (at least won't open for me when all other sites load).
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Hello again, I am now really considering returning the panny st30 for the vizio e3d470vx as I am noticing image retention which doesn't sit well with me. I have questions for all the owners of this tv. How are the black levels? In a dark room how do they compare with the bezel of the tv? Also how is the screen uniformity? Are there light and dark spots when there's a completely black screen? Also 3d gaming experiences and resolution drops if noticeable? And most importantly gaming lag? Is it noticeable at all? If anybody can post pics that would be great as well. Sorry for so many questions and thanks for any help it is greatly appreciated
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Hello again, I am now really considering returning the panny st30 for the vizio e3d470vx as I am noticing image retention which doesn't sit well with me. I have questions for all the owners of this tv. How are the black levels? In a dark room how do they compare with the bezel of the tv? Also how is the screen uniformity? Are there light and dark spots when there's a completely black screen? Also 3d gaming experiences and resolution drops if noticeable? And most importantly gaming lag? Is it noticeable at all? If anybody can post pics that would be great as well. Sorry for so many questions and thanks for any help it is greatly appreciated

Did all those pictures I posted from RE:4 help? The guards are dressed in black and their shields are silver/black if I remember right.

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Those pictures did help but its can be quite difficult to see black levels in pictures. When watching a widescreen movie are the black bars as black as the bezel of the tv?
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Those pictures did help but its can be quite difficult to see black levels in pictures. When watching a widescreen movie are the black bars as black as the bezel of the tv?

Actually, I did watch Casino Royale last night and made a point to look and yes the borders were indeed very black. I had a light on that reflected a bit on the bezel but the borders were very, very close to the bezel. All the night shots looked very good, inky black with no lost detail that I could see. I was impressed by how good it looked considering it only has a 100,000:1 (or 200,000, I forget) contrast ratio. Funny but I can see edge bleeding from extreme angles but looking straight on - none at all.

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just picked this TV up last week. i love it, but the game mode stuff could be a little easier to find. but after shutting the other stuff off and turning on game made, i love this thing more than ever.

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just picked this TV up last week. i love it, but the game mode stuff could be a little easier to find. but after shutting the other stuff off and turning on game made, i love this thing more than ever.

tryout IZ3D's 2D conversion software. Works really well with this set.

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Actually, I did watch Casino Royale last night and made a point to look and yes the borders were indeed very black. I had a light on that reflected a bit on the bezel but the borders were very, very close to the bezel. All the night shots looked very good, inky black with no lost detail that I could see. I was impressed by how good it looked considering it only has a 100,000:1 (or 200,000, I forget) contrast ratio. Funny but I can see edge bleeding from extreme angles but looking straight on - none at all.
Any chance of getting some pictures showing off how black this screen can get? I'm looking to maybe replace my old Samsung 32A450 with this Vizio but if the contrast is not as good then I would be disappointed.

Also how is ghosting on this TV? My Samsung seemed to have a good deal of ghosting which I didn't like.
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Any chance of getting some pictures showing off how black this screen can get? I'm looking to maybe replace my old Samsung 32A450 with this Vizio but if the contrast is not as good then I would be disappointed.

Also how is ghosting on this TV? My Samsung seemed to have a good deal of ghosting which I didn't like.
Sure, I'll do some pictures tonight.

Ghosting is a non-or very minor issue with passive 3D from what I've read; that's one of the advantages. The only ghosting I've seen was source material specific. Me and another guy saw ghosting in a scene from drive angry but he had an active tv and I have the vizio passive so it was the movie not the sets.

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As promised, here's some shots from Casino Royale. First are the vizio's settings for these shots:
Backlight: 68
Brightness: 61
Contrast: 58
Color: 60
Tint: 1
Sharpness: 0

Ok, all shots are f3.30 and ISO 200. Shutter spds vary thus: first shot is 1/20; Second shot is shutter @ 1/15. Third is 1/15, fourth is 1/20, fifth is also 1/20 sec. Bear in mind that all the pics were downgraded in resolution by the forum from their original.
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As promised, here's some shots from Casino Royale. First are the vizio's settings for these shots:
Backlight: 68
Brightness: 61
Contrast: 58
Color: 60
Tint: 1
Sharpness: 0

Ok, all shots are f3.30 and ISO 200. Shutter spds vary thus: first shot is 1/20; Second shot is shutter @ 1/15. Third is 1/15, fourth is 1/20, fifth is also 1/20 sec. Bear in mind that all the pics were downgraded in resolution by the forum from their original.

Shoot man, those are great shots! That's way better contrast than I expected, I'm amazed how far LCDs have come since my Samsung 32a450! Crazy how 3 years ago I paid the exact same price for my 720p 2D 60hz 32in without any networking and worse contrast, as I can get this set.

If my brother decides to buy my old set I will probably pick up one of these. I'm pretty limited on what I can get as I need analog audio out for my stereo and analog audio tied to the HDMI port for my older MacBook Pro. I was kind of contemplating between this and the Samsung 40a630 but the extra features like 3D, apps and built in WiFi plus an extra 2inches is really pushing me towards the Vizio. I figure this TV will probably be the primary for about 3 years and then hopefully relegated to the bedroom, it just doesn't make sense to pay for a few premium features like LED backlighting when I know the price will drop like a rock in 3 years.


Just a few other questions is "normal" mode basically a "just scan" mode where there is no overscan and "wide" mode slightly overscaned? The manual isn't completely clear on that. I assume all TVs now have a just scan mode but it sure was an issue 3 years ago finding one that did.
Sounds like from these forums that gaming is fine for these as far as input lag goes when game mode is enabled. I'm a little cautious as I saw one youtube review saying they had to return it as no matter what they did they had too much lag so they returned it, but never said what they did. I know my Samsung isn't a champ or anything so as long as it's as good I'm fine.
Any complaints you can think of? The only other thing I have heard is the remote buttons are kind of stiff and hard to hit.


Sorry for the long post!
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Shoot man, those are great shots! That's way better contrast than I expected, I'm amazed how far LCDs have come since my Samsung 32a450! Crazy how 3 years ago I paid the exact same price for my 720p 2D 60hz 32in without any networking and worse contrast, as I can get this set.

If my brother decides to buy my old set I will probably pick up one of these. I'm pretty limited on what I can get as I need analog audio out for my stereo and analog audio tied to the HDMI port for my older MacBook Pro. I was kind of contemplating between this and the Samsung 40a630 but the extra features like 3D, apps and built in WiFi plus an extra 2inches is really pushing me towards the Vizio. I figure this TV will probably be the primary for about 3 years and then hopefully relegated to the bedroom, it just doesn't make sense to pay for a few premium features like LED backlighting when I know the price will drop like a rock in 3 years.


Just a few other questions is "normal" mode basically a "just scan" mode where there is no overscan and "wide" mode slightly overscaned? The manual isn't completely clear on that. I assume all TVs now have a just scan mode but it sure was an issue 3 years ago finding one that did.
Sounds like from these forums that gaming is fine for these as far as input lag goes when game mode is enabled. I'm a little cautious as I saw one youtube review saying they had to return it as no matter what they did they had too much lag so they returned it, but never said what they did. I know my Samsung isn't a champ or anything so as long as it's as good I'm fine.
Any complaints you can think of? The only other thing I have heard is the remote buttons are kind of stiff and hard to hit.


Sorry for the long post!

It has just scan, I'm using it (I have the 47" BTW) as a PC monitor with game mode and no lag at all that I can see. Been playing Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood (PC) and if you're familiar with it there's a lot of quick draw mini-games where timing is key and have not had any lag preventing me from out-drawing the boss (eventually!). LA Noire, Killzone, and Resistance on PS3 have no lag that I can tell; perfectly playable. Your friend may have got a bum set.

The only complaint I have is that you can see the passive film when browsing the web. Gaming and 2D movies I don't notice it (you will with 3D but that's the nature of passive 3D), don't know why I see it browsing. And yes, the power button is really finicky. Sometimes I have to be like 6 inches away from the sensor; other buttons work from far away at extreme angles but not the power button. Makes me think they may have designed it that way to prevent accidental power-offs? This vizio replaced a samsung LN40A550 (that I paid 1100 for 3 years ago!) and is comparable to it for movies and gaming. Not as good as a web browser but I do have 3D now so it's a fair trade.

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It has just scan, I'm using it (I have the 47" BTW) as a PC monitor with game mode and no lag at all that I can see.

That's good to hear, the review I saw was online, the guy said he brought it back to the store and got a 32in Sony instead. I figured it was a user issue on his part as he didn't sound very smart but he swore otherwise.

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The only complaint I have is that you can see the passive film when browsing the web. Gaming and 2D movies I don't notice it (you will with 3D but that's the nature of passive 3D), don't know why I see it browsing.

Hmmm so you can see the film on like all white screens? That's kind of disappointing to hear, not that I will use it for a computer monitor but if you can see it using it for that there are chances you could see it in other material. I figure the screen will be used 99% of the time in 2D mode, but wouldn't mind a nice cheap 3D set to mess around with like this one for a few years until whatever better comes along.
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And yes, the power button is really finicky. Sometimes I have to be like 6 inches away from the sensor; other buttons work from far away at extreme angles but not the power button.

That's interesting, don't suppose you have a universal remote you have tried with it yet? Also it seems the TV takes awhile to turn on from videos I have seen, compared to my old A450, do you find that to be true? Not a huge deal but it's nice when a TV will just jump to life at a push of a button.
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This vizio replaced a samsung LN40A550 (that I paid 1100 for 3 years ago!) and is comparable to it for movies and gaming. Not as good as a web browser but I do have 3D now so it's a fair trade.

So what made you switch from the A550 to this model? Did you basically just want a bigger picture and 3D? Do you not find the overall picture quality such as contrast and motion to be much better on this set if it is only comparable? I figure the 40A550 and my 32A450 are similar enough that it would be a good measuring stick to see if the upgrade is worth it.


Sorry I ask so many questions, you've been very helpful. There's just not a lot of info on this TV and I don't want to buy this set and then wish I had got my old Samsung instead.
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Hmmm so you can see the film on like all white screens? That's kind of disappointing to hear, not that I will use it for a computer monitor but if you can see it using it for that there are chances you could see it in other material.

No, just in text and straight angle text boxes; looks a little like interlacing. Not a big deal really.

That's interesting, don't suppose you have a universal remote you have tried with it yet? Also it seems the TV takes awhile to turn on from videos I have seen, compared to my old A450, do you find that to be true? Not a huge deal but it's nice when a TV will just jump to life at a push of a button.

I'm sure a universal would work, but the vizio remote has the cool keyboard on the back and direct access buttons to the apps. Too good to give that up!

So what made you switch from the A550 to this model? Did you basically just want a bigger picture and 3D? Do you not find the overall picture quality such as contrast and motion to be much better on this set if it is only comparable? I figure the 40A550 and my 32A450 are similar enough that it would be a good measuring stick to see if the upgrade is worth it.

I walked into Wally world and they had this E3D47 clearanced priced for $600. No way I could pass it up at that price! Nothing wrong with the Sammy, I was very happy with it but now I have a set that is 90% as good as it and now have 3D. Again, fair trade off - a little bit worse for web browsing; comparable for movies and gaming; 3D; half the price.

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Hello again, I am now really considering returning the panny st30 for the vizio e3d470vx as I am noticing image retention which doesn't sit well with me. I have questions for all the owners of this tv. How are the black levels? In a dark room how do they compare with the bezel of the tv? Also how is the screen uniformity? Are there light and dark spots when there's a completely black screen? Also 3d gaming experiences and resolution drops if noticeable? And most importantly gaming lag? Is it noticeable at all? If anybody can post pics that would be great as well. Sorry for so many questions and thanks for any help it is greatly appreciated

Hey Jordan,
What did you end up going with, the panny or the viz?

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I'm wondering if anyone that owns this Vizio can comment on how the 3D effect compares to a TV that uses active shutter glasses. Mainly, I'm wondering if the passive 3D pops out as much, has as much depth and wow factor.

I currently own an Acer H5360 hooked up to an HTPC with Nvidia 3D Vision active glasses. Obviously that's projected on a nice 100" screen, so the 3D effect is amazing. But I'm hoping that this Vizio TV for the bedroom will still have that wow factor.
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I'm wondering if anyone that owns this Vizio can comment on how the 3D effect compares to a TV that uses active shutter glasses. Mainly, I'm wondering if the passive 3D pops out as much, has as much depth and wow factor.

I currently own an Acer H5360 hooked up to an HTPC with Nvidia 3D Vision active glasses. Obviously that's projected on a nice 100" screen, so the 3D effect is amazing. But I'm hoping that this Vizio TV for the bedroom will still have that wow factor.

From what I've read, the WOW factor is directly related to the screen size rather than the method of getting the 3D into your eyeballs. Since all 3D movie theaters use passive 3D like the vizio and LG if you like the theater 3D then you should like the vizio 3D if you have a large one. I've got the 47" and caught myself ducking at the scene in Drive Angry with the pool cue. If you've seen it then you know the shot.

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On my remote, at the top I have left to right
VOD Netflix Vudu
What does the VOD do?
I have been wondering what it does ever since I bought the TV
Thanks for any tips Tomm
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On my remote, at the top I have left to right
VOD Netflix Vudu
What does the VOD do?
I have been wondering what it does ever since I bought the TV
Thanks for any tips Tomm

Push it and find out.

Video on Demand. On mine it's labeled Amazon and goes to their VOD service. Wonder why they took the Amazon label off?

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I push it and it does nothing thus the reason for the question. Do I need to
sign up for this VOD? thanks
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Push it and find out.

Video on Demand. On mine it's labeled Amazon and goes to their VOD service. Wonder why they took the Amazon label off?

This is an early production model of the remote control; the current version now has the Amazon logo on the button.
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I guess I may try calling there customer service to see if there is a way to reprogram the remote?
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I've done an input lag test on the VIZIO E3D420VX...


Benchmark: No input lag
This is what the lag test produced on my old CRT television. As the picture illustrates the input lag is almost non existent.





Input lag on the Vizio was locked at 50ms.
Note: my laptop was connected via HDMI and set to output @ 1280x720 which is not the native resolution of this television so these results might be improved with a 1920x1080 source.

The vizio was setup as follows...
Picture: Game/More/Advanced Picture: All turned OFF

Settings/Game Mode: ON

Something worth noting: If you are experiencing lag of upwards of 150 ms while gaming, (the controls will feel VERY floaty, easily noticeable if FPS's or fighting games) try turning the Settings/Game Mode: to OFF then turn Game Mode back ON. I was experiencing lag for about a week and was ready to give up on the TV... Then I decided to try this and it worked like a charm.

Games that I've played in 3D are:
Xbox:
COD:BO

PS3:
Killzone 3 (demo)
Motorstorm: Apocalypse (demo)
Super Stardust HD (demo)
Wipeout HD
Also, I saw the trailer for Uncharted 3 Drakes Deception (wow this is going to be amazing)

Movies watched in 3D thus far...
Mars Needs Moms (great sense of depth)
Despicable Me (my kids love this one)

The 3D capabilities of this television are not the sort that pop out of the screen at you, its more like looking through a window into another dimension. That's the best way I can describe it. What more can I say, I am completely blown away by this television and passive 3D in general. The screen uniformity is very good with no clouding to speak of. The black levels could be better I suppose. All things considered this is a great television that should be considered if your in the marked for a 3D tv.
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Hi Laughing Buddha,

Thanks for sharing your test. Interesting phenomenon with the input lag resetting itself. This problem occurs on the LG passive tv too.

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Excellent test LB. Mirrors my experiences as well. Thanks for the test.

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