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Ok well turns out Sony doesn't make the screen anymore and unless I find a used one, it can not be fixed. I was told this by 4 different Sony authorized service vendors. So luckily my homeowners insurance has told me since it can't be repaired , find some tvs that are comparable in both size and price and put a list together. Any suggestions?
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Ok well turns out Sony doesn't make the screen anymore and unless I find a used one, it can not be fixed. I was told this by 4 different Sony authorized service vendors. So luckily my homeowners insurance has told me since it can't be repaired , find some tvs that are comparable in both size and price and put a list together. Any suggestions?

If comparable in price means approx MSRP...

Samsung PN64F8500 64-Inch Active 3D Plasma: ~ $3100 at Amazon.com
Sony XBR-65X850A XBR 65" 4K Ultra HD TV ~ $4000 at B&H Photo
Sony 65" XBR-65X900A X900 Series 4K Ultra HD 3D Internet TV ~ $4500 at B&H Photo


You could probably kick in the difference if they push back on how much they'll pay.

Just keep in mind that your homeowners insurance may go up since you are putting in a claim. And if you have their adjuster come out just to give an estimate, that may also go against you.

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My KDL-46HX729 got a firmware update today from PKG4.022AAA to PKG4.025AAA. (I got the same FW update two days ago on my XBR-55HX929.)

The changelog has not been posted yet on either Sony product page (here or here), but should appear within the next two weeks if precedent holds.
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Another new firmware update PKG4.027AAA. No information on the Sony website yet.
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I subscribed and followed this thread for some time now, before purchase, and enjoyed our 55HX729 for going on three years now.

I recorded and tried the different user settings that others have posted. Ended up taking a bit from column A, a few from column B, but noticed some bits are better than others.

Moved our family room furniture a bit, and a chair near the TV shows the black background to me often is a cloudy, dark grey. So I was thinking about digging through the settings I'd saved from this thread and fiddling some more.

Is there anything remotely like a consensus about a "best results settings"? We don't do video games, but the occasional action movie. Some settings showed some mosaic / pixellation on fast action shots or sports programming.

I know you can save different settings for different inputs, and while the nerd in me appreciates that, I just don't think I'm willing to put in the time right now.

Besides, it's rare that any TV show, movie, or sporting event has my full and complete attention.

If you have your "ideal," can we revive this zombie thread and compile a "Best of" after multiple years of use?

Thanks, and Season's Greetings, everyone!
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I subscribed and followed this thread for some time now, before purchase, and enjoyed our 55HX729 for going on three years now.

I recorded and tried the different user settings that others have posted. Ended up taking a bit from column A, a few from column B, but noticed some bits are better than others.

Moved our family room furniture a bit, and a chair near the TV shows the black background to me often is a cloudy, dark grey. So I was thinking about digging through the settings I'd saved from this thread and fiddling some more.

Is there anything remotely like a consensus about a "best results settings"? We don't do video games, but the occasional action movie. Some settings showed some mosaic / pixellation on fast action shots or sports programming.

I know you can save different settings for different inputs, and while the nerd in me appreciates that, I just don't think I'm willing to put in the time right now.

Besides, it's rare that any TV show, movie, or sporting event has my full and complete attention.

If you have your "ideal," can we revive this zombie thread and compile a "Best of" after multiple years of use?

Thanks, and Season's Greetings, everyone!
As you yourself have apparently discovered, there is no "one size fits all" ideal setting. There are many variables that impact on PQ, including ambient lighting, viewing distance, personal preferences, et al, not to mention slight differences in the individual panels. Thus, for example, I am using different calibration settings on my bedroom 46HX729 and my living room 55HX929.

Your best bet is to find a good baseline (which you seem to have done) and then fine-tune the settings using a good calibration disc, such as the Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition.
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Thanks, chi_guy. Yeah, I'll probably spend some time later this week fiddling with settings again, or over Christmas.

With the settings I have, I never saved it to a name or intended use or input. Is it possible that, when the unit does its periodic firmware / software updates, do the current settings unintentionally sometimes get changed? Go back to Factory Default? Or is it just because I'm sitting closer and noticing faults more?
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Thanks, chi_guy. Yeah, I'll probably spend some time later this week fiddling with settings again, or over Christmas.

With the settings I have, I never saved it to a name or intended use or input. Is it possible that, when the unit does its periodic firmware / software updates, do the current settings unintentionally sometimes get changed? Go back to Factory Default? Or is it just because I'm sitting closer and noticing faults more?
There is a standard disclaimer that displays when you load a FW update that stipulates that some settings may have changed, but I don't think the individual calibration settings are among those and I have never seen them altered via an update. At most, you might find a more global-type of alteration, such as the setting memory changed from Common to Current Input.

My modus operandi is to fine-tune the Standard setting and use that universally (like you, I don't want to have to switch settings based on source material, and I use my TV's as monitors with all the external sources inputting into my AVR). I also tone down the Vivid setting and will use that in the bedroom during daylight hours when the room is much more brightly lit than it is for night-time viewing. I often use the Custom setting for a reference calibration from a third-party source, such as Cnet, just for comparison purposes. I save a spreadsheet for each of my TV's with columns for each setting showing both the default and adjusted values; this way I can quickly judge whether something has been inadvertently changed and can easily reset it.

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Here's the info on the latest FW update (PKG4.027AAA, Release Date 12/13/2014):

This software update (version PKG4.027AAA) provides the following benefits: Improvements over version PKG4.025AAA:
  • Enables Transport Layer Security 1.0 (TLS1.0) to enhance security of Internet applications
  • Improves reliability to the Secure Sockets Layer 3.0 (SSL3.0)
Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG4.027AAA:
  • Improved performance and stability of the Internet features
  • Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service
  • Adds the "What's New" feature
  • Media Remote (Software keyboard, Full / Simple Remote and Shake Track ID)
  • VAIO® Remote Keyboard
  • Media Remote (text by voice)
  • Audio Theatre Control Widget
  • WMV/WMA Codec for DLNA / USB
  • Adds the capability for 3D via USB (3D models only and requires 3D active glasses)
    Note: Allows you to view your Bloggie® 3D camera content when connected through the USB port on your TV
  • Improves performance and stability of IPTV (Internet Protocol TV) features
    Note: IPTV allows you to enjoy HD (High Definition) programming from the Internet on your BRAVIA television that is connected to a broadband Internet connection
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Okay, so I had a window of time to play with Settings a bit. Beforehand, I took the 8 primary settings that folks on this thread had listed. Put it all into a spreadsheet to compare side-by-side. Even created a column for the average that folks were using, just out of curiosity.

Before doing anything on my set, I made note of what my current settings are. Then I went through the settings.

And what did I find?

Some settings have either changed the scale range, the name of the setting, or I can't find them at all.

First example: Backlight. Of the eight settings I'd recorded, the range was between 10 and 20, averaging 17. Mine had been set to 5. But when I attempted to adjust it, the range was 0-Max, which appears to be 10. WTF?

What people had listed as Contrast appears to be Picture? Seems to be in the right range, and listing order.

Hue was on my set, but didn't obviously match up to the setting options I found.

Other options that I couldn't find:

Dynamic Contrast
Black Tone
Shadow Detail
RGB Only Mode
Color Space
Flesh Tone
Digital Noise Filter
MPEG Noise Filter
HDMI Black Level
Film Mode
LED Motion Plus
Motion Lighting

I did have Noise Reduction and MPEG Noise Reduction, which might be Digital & MPEG Noise Filters, respectively.

Even the White Balance RGB Offsets and Gain didn't seem to have the same adjustment range or scale.

There are also newer settings that didn't match anything that others had set, but I can't recall what they were. I think edge smoothing might have been one?

Granted, I didn't spend a ton of time menu diving, or much time in general. I was basically taking a quick break while getting a cup of coffee...which evolved into more time trying to figure it out, so I punted and am posting here.

I get that, to make some menu options available, you have to set some other things first. And I didn't take the time to dig through 27 pages of this thread. I'd saved the top 8 settings probably two years ago, and haven't messed with it since, as it's been good enough.

I could probably record all of the settings with option ranges, but I don't have time to do so right now.

Have I lost my mind? Doing something wrong? All help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Here is the list of Settings that people had posted for their sets ( that don't quite match up to what my set is showing in the Settings area ) :

Mode
Backlight
Contrast
Brightness
Sharpness
Color
Color Temp
Tint G / R
Screen Adjustment

Dynamic Contrast
Black Tone
Shadow Detail
RGB Only Mode
Color Space
Flesh Tone

White Balance
R-Offset
G-Offset
B-Offset
R-Gain
G-Gain
B-Gain
Gamma
Motion Lighting

Picture Options
Digital Noise Filter
MPEG Noise Filter
HDMI Black Level
Film Mode
LED Motion Plus

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Okay, so I had a window of time to play with Settings a bit. Beforehand, I took the 8 primary settings that folks on this thread had listed. Put it all into a spreadsheet to compare side-by-side. Even created a column for the average that folks were using, just out of curiosity.

Before doing anything on my set, I made note of what my current settings are. Then I went through the settings.

And what did I find?

Some settings have either changed the scale range, the name of the setting, or I can't find them at all.

Have I lost my mind? Doing something wrong? All help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
I can not make any informed judgment regarding your mental health, but FYI the below is a listing of picture adjustments and their explanations from pp. 120-122 of the iManual for your set. For the rest of the available settings see here:

Picture Adjustments

Setting Memory Applies custom picture settings to the current input or to common memory shared by other inputs.

  • Available inputs may vary depending on your region/country.

Picture Mode [Vivid] : Enhances picture contrast and sharpness.
[Standard] : Provides standard picture for basic home use.
[Custom] : Stores your preferred settings.
[Cinema 1] : Provides film-based content for a theater-like environment.
[Cinema 2] : Provides film-based content for basic home use.
[Sports] : Optimizes picture quality for viewing sports.
[Game-Standard] : Provides standard pictures suitable for games.
[Game-Original] : Adjusts the game picture according to your preference.
[Graphics] : Optimizes picture quality for viewing graphics.
[Photo-Vivid] : Enhances contrast, sharpness, and color of photographs.
[Photo-Standard] : Optimizes picture quality for viewing photographs.
[Photo-Original] : Enhances the visual warmth of photographs.
[Photo-Custom] : Adjusts the detailed settings for viewing photographs and stores your preferred settings.
[Animation] : Optimizes picture quality for viewing animations. Reset Resets all the [Picture Adjustments] settings to the factory settings excluding [Setting Memory], [Picture Mode] and [Advanced Settings]. Backlight Adjusts the brightness of the backlight. Reducing the brightness of the screen will reduce the power consumption. Picture Adjusts picture contrast. Brightness Adjusts the brightness of the picture. Color Adjusts color intensity. Hue Adjusts green and red tones.

  • [Hue] is available depending on color system.

Color Temperature Adjusts the whiteness of the picture.
[Cool] : Gives white colors a bluish tint.
[Neutral] : Gives white colors a neutral tint.
[Warm 1]/[Warm 2] : Gives white colors a reddish tint. [Warm 2] gives a redder tint than [Warm 1]. Sharpness Adjusts sharpness of the picture. Noise Reduction [Auto] : Automatically reduces picture noise.
[High]/[Medium]/[Low] : Modifies the effect of noise reduction.
[Off] : Turns off [Noise Reduction]. MPEG Noise Reduction [Auto] : Automatically reduces noise in MPEG-compressed videos.
[High]/[Medium]/[Low] : Reduces noise in MPEG-compressed videos.
[Off] : Turns off [MPEG Noise Reduction]. Dot Noise Reduction [Auto] : Automatically reduces dot noise around objects on the screen.
[Off] : Turns off [Dot Noise Reduction]. Reality Creation Adjusts detail and noise for a realistic picture.

  • [Reality Creation] is available depending on the TV model.

Resolution Adjusts detail and clarity of the picture.

  • [Resolution] is available depending on the TV model.

Noise Filtering Adjusts to reduce noise of the picture.

  • [Noise Filtering] is available depending on the TV model.

Smooth Gradation Creates smooth gradations on flat surfaces of the picture.

  • [Smooth Gradation] is available depending on the TV model.

Motionflow [Smooth] : Provides smoother picture movement, such as for film-based content.
[Standard] : Provides smoother picture movement for standard use.
[Clear] : Reduces motion blur while maintaining brightness for high-speed picture content.
[Clear Plus] : Reduces motion blur for high-speed picture content.
[Off] : Use this setting if [Smooth], [Standard], [Clear] or [Clear Plus] results in picture noise.

  • Depending on the picture content, you may not see the effect visually even if you have changed the settings.

CineMotion [Auto 1] : Provides smoother picture movement than the original film-based content. Use this setting for standard use.
[Auto 2] : Displays film-based content with picture expression close to the original by applying a film-specific process.
[Off] : Turns off [CineMotion].

  • If the image contains irregular signals or too much noise, this setting is automatically turned off even if [Auto 1] or [Auto 2] is selected.

Advanced Settings Sets [Picture Adjustments] settings in more detail.
[Reset] : Resets all the advanced settings to the factory settings.
[Black Corrector] : Enhances black areas of the picture for stronger contrast.
[Adv. Contrast Enhancer] : Adjusts [Backlight] and [Picture] by judging the brightness of the screen. This setting is effective for dark images and scenes.
[Gamma] : Adjusts the balance between bright and dark areas of the picture.
[LED Dynamic Control] : Optimizes contrast by adjusting brightness in individual sections of the screen.
[Auto Light Limiter] : Reduces glare such as in scenes where the entire screen is white.
[Clear White] : Emphasizes white colors.
[Live Color] : Makes colors more vivid.
[White Balance] : Adjusts the level of each color.
[Detail Enhancer] : Enhances the details of the picture.
[Edge Enhancer] : Enhances the edges of the picture.
[Skin Naturalizer] : Makes the texture of skin smoother.
[i/p Conversion Preference] : Sets the priority for optimizing quality or display speed of the picture. Selecting [Speed] reduces the delay between an operation of a game controller/PC mouse and the TV’s response.

  • [Speed] in the [i/p Conversion Preference] setting does not function for progressive signals.
  • [LED Dynamic Control] is available depending on the TV model.
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Thanks for the link and the overview, Chi_guy. Still don't have time to dig into this until after EoB today.

But what about one of the first issues I mentioned: Backlight only having a range of 0-10? Does the scale increase when one of the modes is changed? Of the 8 user settings I'd gleaned from this thread, most users set it from 10-20, averaging 17.
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Thanks for the link and the overview, Chi_guy. Still don't have time to dig into this until after EoB today.

But what about one of the first issues I mentioned: Backlight only having a range of 0-10? Does the scale increase when one of the modes is changed? Of the 8 user settings I'd gleaned from this thread, most users set it from 10-20, averaging 17.
Dunno where that comes from. The scale has always been 0 to 10 AFAIK.

At any rate, as a general rule I would consider any setting over the halfway mark the equivalent of a "torch" mode.
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Okay, so maybe I haven't lost my mind...maybe I'm just a dope.

Went through all 27 pages, and the spreadsheet that I was referring to and saved as "TV Settings" is most likely for the Samsung that we got for our bedroom. No wonder the setting names and ranges are different.

I'm usually much better about such things. Let the self-flagellation begin!

So I've compiled what appear to be the top 10 from this thread, and will see how it all shakes out.

Sorry to have wasted folks' time, particularly chi_guy50.
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