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Just bought a 46 inch HX820 yesterday.

Have noticed a brighter area coming in from both bottom corners.

It's very noticeable and distracting on black scenes, or when watching a widescreen 2.35:1 movie, as both corners are much lighter than the rest of the screen.

Is this typical for these TVs, or should I look at getting a replacement? It's a shame, because it looks excellent apart from that.
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Just bought a 46 inch HX820 yesterday.

Have noticed a brighter area coming in from both bottom corners.

It's very noticeable and distracting on black scenes, or when watching a widescreen 2.35:1 movie, as both corners are much lighter than the rest of the screen.

Is this typical for these TVs, or should I look at getting a replacement? It's a shame, because it looks excellent apart from that.
Is it clouding (sort of white circle/shape) or do it look like brightness at the crease or very edge of the screen leaking through?

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Is it clouding (sort of white circle/shape) or do it look like brightness at the crease or very edge of the screen leaking through?
I think it is referred to as a "flashlight effect". There's a patch shining diagonally in from the corners. Looks like light leaking through.
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Just bought a 46 inch HX820 yesterday.

Have noticed a brighter area coming in from both bottom corners.

It's very noticeable and distracting on black scenes, or when watching a widescreen 2.35:1 movie, as both corners are much lighter than the rest of the screen.

Is this typical for these TVs, or should I look at getting a replacement? It's a shame, because it looks excellent apart from that.



Do you think that the X reality procrssor does a better job (especially in in 2D) than the Bravia 3 engine? How is the standard defintion betwen the two tv's? I can get a good deal on the 55nx810 but concerned I am going to give up too much performance not going with the 55nx-820, I am currently not concerned with 3D for now. Also I have considered the 60nx720 in order to move to a larger screen since I am sitting 11 to 13 feet from the TV. But with the 60NX720 I am concerned with the fact that it is only an X-reality processor (not X-PRO) and it is a 120hz panel (not 240hz) therefore at risk of giving up too much performance. I am coming from 50 inch Sony plasma panel KDE-50SX955 which is about 6 years old.

Any information would be appreciated since i cannot see these sets in my area. Thanks.
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Just bought a 46 inch HX820 yesterday.

Have noticed a brighter area coming in from both bottom corners.

It's very noticeable and distracting on black scenes, or when watching a widescreen 2.35:1 movie, as both corners are much lighter than the rest of the screen.

Is this typical for these TVs, or should I look at getting a replacement? It's a shame, because it looks excellent apart from that.
i believe i have some flashlighting on the left edge. but a little bit of playing with the settings (minimum backlight and brightness adjustment got rid of it completely. So try doing that and see if it works. It is possible that the screen might become too dark for your liking in which case maybe you should get an exchange. But in the end all edge lit lcds will have these issues. So you might end up with even an worse one.
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Do you think that the X reality procrssor does a better job (especially in in 2D) than the Bravia 3 engine? How is the standard defintion betwen the two tv's? I can get a good deal on the 55nx810 but concerned I am going to give up too much performance not going with the 55nx-820, I am currently not concerned with 3D for now. Also I have considered the 60nx720 in order to move to a larger screen since I am sitting 11 to 13 feet from the TV. But with the 60NX720 I am concerned with the fact that it is only an X-reality processor (not X-PRO) and it is a 120hz panel (not 240hz) therefore at risk of giving up too much performance. I am coming from 50 inch Sony plasma panel KDE-50SX955 which is about 6 years old.

Any information would be appreciated since i cannot see these sets in my area. Thanks.
for me, yes the x-reality pro makes sd look quite decent. i am not sure how it matches up against bravia engine 3 or x-reality tho.

since you are not concerned by the 3d performence (heard 60nx720 is horrible in showing 3d) and you want a bigger screen, i would say go with the 60nx720. but then again i am not sure how good a 120hz panel might be to broadcast sports
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Do you think that the X reality procrssor does a better job (especially in in 2D) than the Bravia 3 engine? How is the standard defintion betwen the two tv's? I can get a good deal on the 55nx810 but concerned I am going to give up too much performance not going with the 55nx-820, I am currently not concerned with 3D for now. Also I have considered the 60nx720 in order to move to a larger screen since I am sitting 11 to 13 feet from the TV. But with the 60NX720 I am concerned with the fact that it is only an X-reality processor (not X-PRO) and it is a 120hz panel (not 240hz) therefore at risk of giving up too much performance. I am coming from 50 inch Sony plasma panel KDE-50SX955 which is about 6 years old.

Any information would be appreciated since i cannot see these sets in my area. Thanks.
I would count the 60NX720 out. 120hz is too slow since we now have 480hz panel technology around.

Yes, the HX820's X-R pro processor is better than the BE3. How much? Well that's subjective. If you sat them side to side, watching football you might see it, you might now. Watching 3D, you definitely see it (in my opinion, but then again some panels just ghost more than others.)

What's the price difference. If its $400, or more I'd go with the 55NX810 for sure. If its $150, I'd opt for the HX820. Its a better panel. Is it mind boggling how much better? No. So its really your choice

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They are both great TVs. But in my opinion, the HX820 is better. The blacks are a little tiny bit darker and I notice a difference in the quaity of 3D. Its much smoother and has no ghosting, which I saw in the NX810 from time to time. But if I was offered a deal on an NX810 today, against paying more for the HX820, I'd get the NX810 for sure. I also prefer the 3D sync transmitter since it allows me to put it where I want vs. the HX820 which has it built in. I am a big gamer so once I put my Xbox Kinect and Playstation Eye down in front of the TV they block the 3D signal which means I have to keep them off to the side a bit which impacts the quality of the games in 3D.
Thank you very much. 3D I do not care. Tell me please, there is a noticeable difference when viewing SD and HD channels? The main question, whether it is necessary to change 55N810-55HX820 due to the fact that at 55HX820 x processor-reality? thanks
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Thank you very much. 3D I do not care. Tell me please, there is a noticeable difference when viewing SD and HD channels? The main question, whether it is necessary to change 55N810-55HX820 due to the fact that at 55HX820 x processor-reality? thanks

A very very very small difference, yes. At least for me...I noticed it with my NX810 and HX820.

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A very very very small difference, yes. At least for me...I noticed it with my NX810 and HX820.

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Still playing with the settings...and the picture quality just keeps improving
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The HX729 seams to use the same panel as the HX820 both have same processing and 240Hz refresh. The 820 just looks sexier with monolith glass period.
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The HX729 seams to use the same panel as the HX820 both have same processing and 240Hz refresh. The 820 just looks sexier with monolith glass period.


also hx820 uses the new gorilla glass. and yes monolitic along with gorilla glass was the reason i went with hx820. its the exact same thing as sony's flagship hx929 but with edge lit instead of local dim.


anyway....more picture time...currently i have virtually no clouding...here are some pics at night in a completely dark room. the pictures are pretty close to what my eyes see...i am running the video via hdmi from my mac


Doesnt it look SEXY?? (talking about the pic...not the content :P)



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and come on guys, share some pictures yourselves and more calibration settings
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i believe i have some flashlighting on the left edge. but a little bit of playing with the settings (minimum backlight and brightness adjustment got rid of it completely. So try doing that and see if it works. It is possible that the screen might become too dark for your liking in which case maybe you should get an exchange. But in the end all edge lit lcds will have these issues. So you might end up with even an worse one.

It's a bad photo taken in bad light, but it shows what my issue is (see bottom corners). No matter what I do to the settings, it is always at least faintly noticeable. Think I might take my chances on a replacement.

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I think all LCD TVs experience some level of uniformity issues (some worse then others).

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...#ixzz1VfFnKVk4

"Nearly every LCD TV on the market has a problem: uniformity. Certain areas of the screen are going to be brighter than other areas. On dark scenes, this can be visible and sometimes distracting..."

I can clearly see the issue in your photo. I don't have this issue on my HX820 and I don't see in isrararrafi's photos either. Maybe a good idea to set up a service call to see if an authorized professional can do something.

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[quote=isrararrafi;20848310]also hx820 uses the new gorilla glass. and yes monolitic along with gorilla glass was the reason i went with hx820. its the exact same thing as sony's flagship hx929 but with edge lit instead of local dim.


anyway....more picture time...currently i have virtually no clouding...here are some pics at night in a completely dark room. the pictures are pretty close to what my eyes see...i am running the video via hdmi from my mac


Doesnt it look SEXY?? (talking about the pic...not the content :P)


Great photos! I am really happy with the deep blacks on this TV--and your photos are a good example.

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It's a bad photo taken in bad light, but it shows what my issue is (see bottom corners). No matter what I do to the settings, it is always at least faintly noticeable. Think I might take my chances on a replacement.


did u play with the black corrector setting in advanced menu?? setting it low generally works. if not try medium or high (in high u might lose a bit of detail sometime but it might be acceptable to you. or just get a replacemnt and hope to get a better one next time
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just received my tv. No damage at all. Alone at home, so can't set it up on the stand (its quite heavy). but that didn't stop me. just playing around with the setup and online contents now. have't seen any flashlighting or clouding (tried really hard but its morning here, so probably won't notice anything).

here are some pics while unpacking...the room has become a complete mess :P

For the most accurate results of clouding you must watch 3D. I watched only 2 3D movies on this TV and have seen very little clouding, I mean I had to look for it. BUT! Same thing happened when I watched 3D on my NX810. I've watched almost every 3D movie on it in about 5 months time and Clouding was so bad it actually was visible on regular colors and not only on black picture. I don't want to buy the 3D movies from the PS3 Network again so I don't know how the outcome of this TV would be but I do play SOCOM 3D on my PS3 time to time and everything is fine. For the most ultimate Clouding test you must watch a lot of 3D movies.
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Israrrafari what calibration settings that you used on your tv when you've taken the photo of the "eye candy" sony video?

Thanks
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Internet seems a bit too slow for loading videos. Anyone had improved speed with wired connection? I am wondering if I need to buy a 50 ft Ethernet cable.

Giusepe I will post the settings tonite
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"Auto" ( my recommendation so far)

I've had my new HX820 for over a week now. I've searched high and low for "suggested" settings for this TV to no avail. For one reason or another this TV doesn't seem to be very popular with the review sites that I normally go to like cnet, digitalversus.com, and flatpanelshd.com. From what I have been able to determine televisioninfo.com ( another go-to site for me) seems to be the only team that has posted any recommendations.

In the meantime, I've also marveled at all the settings options this TV provides and frankly there are far too many settings and combinations of settings for me to keep up with.

Thankfully some of you have offered up some suggestions based upon your own preferences. I've tried all of those recommendations and I keep coming back to resetting back to the "default" settings and going with the "auto" scene mode. I personally find the "auto" mode seems to do an excellent job of adjusting my TV based upon the content I am viewing e.g., streaming, Blu-ray, 3D, blu-ray 3D etc. ( albeit, I don't have OTA atenna, satellite, or cable connected to this TV) The one constant for me with regards to settings is to make sure the "LED Local Dimming" is set to "standard" to make sure I get the benefit of the auto local dimming capabilities of this TV.

In the meantime, I am sure someone will hire a professional calibrator--and hopefully they will post/share their settings on this forum ( wink, wink)

For me, I am very happy with this TV's panel/display capabilities going with "auto" for now ( just look at those nice photos isrararrafi posted!) and have for the moment decided to focus my attention on sound enhancements for my hx820-I expect to receive the new Sony HTCT-550W 3D Sound Bar early next week and will let you know how that goes. I found mixed reviews on this sound bar--so I a not sure what to expect.

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Internet seems a bit too slow for loading videos. Anyone had improved speed with wired connection? I am wondering if I need to buy a 50 ft Ethernet cable.

Giusepe I will post the settings tonite

isrararrafi: I use a powerline ethernet adapter kit to connect internet to this TV over my electrical outlets located close to my TV. This saves me the work/cost of trying to run an Ethernet cable. IMO wireless is just not consistent enough for HD streaming.

Check out:
http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Power...f=pd_cp_e_pw_3

or

http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-DHP-307...3964653&sr=1-1

For me wired is always 100% better than wireless for HD streaming ( depending of course upon the amount of bandwidth you have with your local internet provider, at least 5+ mbps) Note: I believe Sony recommends 10+ mbps for HD streaming.

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For the most accurate results of clouding you must watch 3D. I watched only 2 3D movies on this TV and have seen very little clouding, I mean I had to look for it. BUT! Same thing happened when I watched 3D on my NX810. I've watched almost every 3D movie on it in about 5 months time and Clouding was so bad it actually was visible on regular colors and not only on black picture. I don't want to buy the 3D movies from the PS3 Network again so I don't know how the outcome of this TV would be but I do play SOCOM 3D on my PS3 time to time and everything is fine. For the most ultimate Clouding test you must watch a lot of 3D movies.

Try buying movies from Vudu on your PS3. The content generally looks better and Sony's PSN store is a rip off. I bought movies there, my PS3 broke, I got a new one and Sony said "tough luck" you need to BUY them again. So it's really not buying, it's more like renting per their terms and conditions.

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also hx820 uses the new gorilla glass. and yes monolitic along with gorilla glass was the reason i went with hx820. its the exact same thing as sony's flagship hx929 but with edge lit instead of local dim.


anyway....more picture time...currently i have virtually no clouding...here are some pics at night in a completely dark room. the pictures are pretty close to what my eyes see...i am running the video via hdmi from my mac


Doesnt it look SEXY?? (talking about the pic...not the content :P)

I feel the same way about this TV. Even though people were generally saying there wasn't much flashlighting with the 820, I still was worried I'd get a bad set. Thankfully I didn't, and not only does it look completely bada**, my blacks are freaking inky.

After a few days of playing Xbox 360, I think the input lag is a tiny bit worse than my old Samsung LN32A550, but nothing that detrimental to my FPS gaming.

My only complaint with this TV is something I knew going in; the viewing angles. I know viewing angles aren't that great with most LED sets, but I didn't think I would notice it right away like I did with my HX820. I was in our kitchen about 20 feet away from the TV and maybe about 45 degrees off center and I definitely noticed the graying of the colors.

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Folks;
Now at one week with my 46HX820, this set as met all my expectations. Watched "Band of Brothers" Blu Ray tonight & cannot imagine a better experience. Sports, etal, just fantastic. Almost bought the 729, but paid the piper, & could not be more pleased.
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I really dig this TV. I think its a definite improvement over my 55NX810. Even my wife noticed the difference with the 3D. She commented on it looking a lot crisper and more vivid. And this woman does not notice this kind of stuff.

I'm still playing around with the settings but with is what I have so far....

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Custom

Backlight 4
Picture 85
Brightness 50 (What's surprising is that for the first time ever, I may bump this up to 52-54. According to DVE and the Disney WOW testing the blacks are clipping a bit outside of the pluge test pattern.)
Color 50
Hue 0
Color Tempature Warm 1
Sharpness 45
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Off
Dot Noise Off
Reality Creation Off
Smooth Gradation Off
MotionFlow Standard
CineMotion Auto 1
Black Corrector Low
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Low
Gamma 0
LED Dynamic Control Standard
Auto Light Limiter Off
Clear White Low
White Balance:
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0
-6
0
0
0
Detail Enhancer Low
Edge Enhancer Low

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Tonight I finally had the time to do some check on my 1 week old 55HX820 and man what a beautiful screen... The only thing is that I noticed some backlight bleeding - lost of white light in the corners for example when I watch movies at 2:35:1. And the longer I am watching the more I am noticing it ..

Does anyone know what adjustment I can make to get this away, or do I have to call Sony to swap the set???

Thanks in advance for your help.
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these are my current settings and i get zero clouding with this. the black corrector specially helps a lot.

Scene : General
picure mode : custom
backlight : 1
picture : 90
brightness: 48
color: 53
hue: 0
color temp: warm 1
sharpness : 59
noise/mpeg/dot reduction : off
reality creation : off
smooth gradation : low
motionflow: smooth
cinemotion: auto 2

advance settings:
black corrector: medium
adv contrast enhancer: low
gamma :0
LED Dynamic control: Standard
Auto light limiter: off
clear white: low
liver color: off
detail henhancer: low
edge enhancer: off
skin neutralizier: off
Ip conversio preferencene: quality
White balance:
R-Gain: -5
G-Gain: -1
B-Gain: -6
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0

ambiet sensor" off

all the other sensors: off

power saving: off
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these are my current settings and i get zero clouding with this. the black corrector specially helps a lot.

Scene : General
picure mode : custom
backlight : 1
picture : 90
brightness: 48
color: 53
hue: 0
color temp: warm 1
sharpness : 59
noise/mpeg/dot reduction : off
reality creation : off
smooth gradation : low
motionflow: smooth
cinemotion: auto 2

advance settings:
black corrector: medium
adv contrast enhancer: low
gamma :0
LED Dynamic control: Standard
Auto light limiter: off
clear white: low
liver color: off
detail henhancer: low
edge enhancer: off
skin neutralizier: off
Ip conversio preferencene: quality
White balance:
R-Gain: -5
G-Gain: -1
B-Gain: -6
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0

ambiet sensor" off

all the other sensors: off

power saving: off



I see that you have the backlight at 1, what is the max number the backlight can go to ??
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