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4. Quality control is questionable at best.

5. Brightness fluctuations are reported by many owners.

6. Stand is ugly and gets in the way of otherwise excellent cosmetics.

7. peeling ar filter.

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1. Undefeatable DNR

2. Worse MLL especially in 24p-mode.

3. Too clumsy pwm-noise near black

Would you like me to compose a list as to what is wrong with the VT30. Im pretty sure I can match your list and the other 4-5 other members have tallied against the D8000. When. I say the D8000 is .2 behind the D8000, im taking into consideration the flaws of both.
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When second place is half the price, I do not think Panasonic is too upset.

That's how my trickle down theory will work
soon we all will have a reasonably priced 80" that don't break the bank & have about the same PQ as the Sharp & the Panny has
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This speaks volume. Hope panny is listening. Have you compared it with VSX300?

IMO, the VX300 is nothing more than a VT30 (with both the fbr improved firmware and upcoming saturation update) in a tuxedo.

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So D-Nice posts back it was reported that there is issue in Elite's inverse telecine or deinterlacing? Will this be considered important or your opinion/ VE shootout will be based on 1080p/24 basis?

Will look at both.

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A major discussion here is viewing angle. What's the weightage you put on this and how it fare vs plasma?

Viewing angle importance will always be based on an individual basis. If the seating is off to the sides, plasma will always win. Dead on, well... totally different story.
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How would you compare the Sony 929 vs the elite? I know the elite seems to be the better of the two, is the 929 in the same ballpark though? In your opinion, are these elites the kuro killers they are claimed to be?
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How would you compare the Sony 929 vs the elite? I know the elite seems to be the better of the two, is the 929 in the same ballpark though?

IMO, Elite is better. However the 929 is amazing and I probably would rate it as being better than a VT30. Please remember I said probably

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Let's just say I have no plans on replacing any of my Kuros with one of these displays. Now if one dies and cannot be repaired, These displays are the only ones out there that remotely qualify as a replacement.
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IMO, the VX300 is nothing more than a VT30 (with both the fbr improved firmware and upcoming saturation update) in a tuxedo.

Oh man this got to hurt :P and it will be at the shootout as well.

So what tolerance of viewing angle would be a consideration for u in terms of PQ?

Thanks
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Man, I just took a look at the support options they are offering with the new Elites, and THIS is what a high end display should be bundled with. When I pay $8K for a TV, I don't expect the same level of service as Joe Blow with his $1000 Vizio. So this is a step in the right direction, and hopefully they come through with their promises.

That being said, I saw the 70" Elite on my local Magnolia and it looked great. The one thing I did notice was the blacks (specifically the black bars) got lighter when viewed at an angle. But when viewed dead on, it looked fantastic. Not big on the remote though. Looks kind of cheap.
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IMO, Elite is better. However the 929 is amazing and I probably would rate it as being better than a VT30. Please remember I said probably

Let's just say I have no plans on replacing any of my Kuros with one of these displays. Now if one dies and cannot be repaired, These displays are the only ones out there that remotely qualify as a replacement.

Thanks for the feedback! I am still using the 500m as my main display. While I am extremely content with the Pq of the 500m, there are times when I want to go up in size.
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Thanks for the feedback! I am still using the 500m as my main display. While I am extremely content with the Pq of the 500m, there are times when I want to go up in size.

Well you have options
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Oh man this got to hurt :P and it will be at the shootout as well.

I really hope it does. Panasonic can do far better than they have been doing the past few years. I think they understand this now and should do far better in the next gen.... at least I hope.

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So what tolerance of viewing angle would be a consideration for u in terms of PQ?

Thanks

The Sharp would probably work in my media room. However it would not work in the living room or mbr.
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IMO, Elite is better. However the 929 is amazing and I probably would rate it as being better than a VT30. Please remember I said probably

Let's just say I have no plans on replacing any of my Kuros with one of these displays. Now if one dies and cannot be repaired, These displays are the only ones out there that remotely qualify as a replacement.


Hey D, are the reasons mostly...

A) Local dimming still has halo and black fluctuation problems

and...

B) Viewing angles?

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When second place is half the price, I do not think Panasonic is too upset.

Yes, but every man wants those five additional inches!

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[quote=D-Nice;21004240]IMO, Elite is better. However the 929 is amazing and I probably would rate it as being better than a VT30. Please remember I said probably

Let's just say I have no plans on replacing any of my Kuros with one of these displays. Now if one dies and cannot be repaired, These displays are the only ones out there that remotely qualify as a replacement.[/QUOTE]

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I really hope it does. Panasonic can do far better than they have been doing the past few years. I think they understand this now and should do far better in the next gen.... at least I hope.

The Sharp would probably work in my media room. However it would not work in the living room or mbr.



Hey D-Nice- Will you be calibrating one of these Elites before the shootout? I remember you said you were supposed to a while back but got delayed instead.
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... Until a TV comes out that is superior, they have no reason to drop the price...

Not that a physicist can do marketing analysis, but I can imagine a scenario.

1. If they cannot move the TV's, they will be forced to drop the price.
2. If they are forced drop prices below cost or to an unacceptable margin, they will have to:

a. Discontinue the model, or

b. Reduce production cost, or

c. Continue at loss for the prestige

3. Once early adopters are exhausted in the market, the sets may not move.
4. Then they will be forced to drop prices.
5. Then again, word of mouth from early adopters may increase perceived value and the sets will move without price reductions.

So you early adopter fanatics with deep pockets, stop buying these sets so your fellow enthusiasts can afford to buy them before they are discontinued

I heard these sets are still having non-uniformity issues, like the smudgy screen on panning, usually associated with banding structures. Do these sets pass the shuttle launch "banding" test?
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7. peeling ar filter.

That's what "4" was meant to cover.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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When second place is half the price, I do not think Panasonic is too upset.

For years, they could claim to make the best display regardless of price -- at least among videophiles since the discontinuation of the Kuro. They can no longer make that claim.

Yes, it's a great value, but it's a disappointing product.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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For years, they could claim to make the best display regardless of price -- at least among videophiles since the discontinuation of the Kuro. They can no longer make that claim.

Yes, it's a great value, but it's a disappointing product.

You left out the word "very". I'm sure you can figure out where it belongs.

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Let's just say I have no plans on replacing any of my Kuros with one of these displays. Now if one dies and cannot be repaired, These displays are the only ones out there that remotely qualify as a replacement.

Since there's been so much "Kuro killer" talk here, I think some may have missed this point that D-Nice made. You could, with a stretch, interpret it one of two ways: a) he thinks the Kuro still reigns supreme or b) he feels the Elite may be as good as the Kuro but why replace a perfectly good Kuro with a display that's 'only' as good.

Objectively, I think I know what his opinion is.
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Well I just listed my Pioneer Kuro Pro150 in the For Sale Ads Here. I'm going to get one of the 70 inchers. I do like the extras that are on this Display like the ability to Wirelessly update the software and to become more of a part of my intergrated HT package.

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just remember..this is not a Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma..which you own and is a phenomenal tv..it is a Sharp and it is an LCD/LED tv..which IMO is not worth anywhere near 8500 bucks..no matter what the disguise or pretention
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I don't think another (high end) 70" set has to hit the market for the price of the 70" to come down. I mean ****, it already has come down quite a bit - both from MSRP (duh) as well as from the initial street pricing which was low-mid $7xxx but is now already as low as mid-high $6xxx. Another 10% lower to hit $6k in order to move somewhat more volume after all the crazies here snap up the initial runs is pretty easy to envision.

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Thanks for telling us. I think this is the first time this has been mentioned on this thread :-)


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just remember..this is not a Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma..which you own and is a phenomenal tv..it is a Sharp and it is an LCD/LED tv..which IMO is not worth anywhere near 8500 bucks..no matter what the disguise or pretention

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just remember..this is not a Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma..which you own and is a phenomenal tv..it is a Sharp and it is an LCD/LED tv..which IMO is not worth anywhere near 8500 bucks..no matter what the disguise or pretention


I seriously doubt many, especially those on these forums, pay full list price.

The smart money will wait a few months.

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They will be releasing a 80" edge-lit model in the next month and combine that with the fact Robert from VE, who has a close working relationship with Sharp, heard rumors of an 80X5 model for next year and it does seem likely.
It really doesn't matter if they have any competition. Selling less than 10,000 units a year is not going to add to Sharps bottom line. The only reason you would run the X5 line this way was to create a "halo" product, but they do not even put the Sharp name on the box, so how can they hope to downsell. Then there is a huge gap between the value leading 70" 732 series and the high-end Elite line. As you said, I guess we will know by fall of next year, but I believe Sharp is ready to dominate the emerging 70-80" market and you will be shocked by the margins they are willing to live with.

The 80" is not coming out of the same fab. An edgelit non-quatron 80" is a far cry from the Elite. An 80X5 is a faint baseless rumor at this point. If Robert had any compelling proof that it would happen, he wouldn't be able to share it. They will dominate the 70-80 inch space, but alas, not with an 80X5.

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Since there's been so much "Kuro killer" talk here, I think some may have missed this point that D-Nice made. You could, with a stretch, interpret it one of two ways: a) he thinks the Kuro still reigns supreme or b) he feels the Elite may be as good as the Kuro but why replace a perfectly good Kuro with a display that's 'only' as good.

Objectively, I think I know what his opinion is.

Almost, but not really. He can replace his Kuro's with a 70" Elite which would be an upgrade, but even so still isn't interested in doing that meaning the Kuro still retains advantages and an overall edge outweighing the potential size increase.

The "Kuro Killer" is still a fabrication that has yet to materialize.
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b) he feels the Elite may be as good as the Kuro but why replace a perfectly good Kuro with a display that's 'only' as good.

Picture quality is subjective and if that is his choice he is entitled to it. The reasons I would pick the 70X5 Kuro Killer would be its superior picture quality, deeper blacks levels, brighter white levels, superior viewing in daytime lighting conditions, lower power consumption, the abilty to provide a fantastic 3D picture, the ability to output 140fl with out clipping the gray level which would allow you to overcome reflections in most rooms, the fact it is actually available and especially the 10 extra inches of the 70X5.
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Picture quality is subjective and if that is his choice he is entitled to it. The reasons I would pick the 70X5 Kuro Killer would be its superior picture quality, deeper blacks levels, brighter white levels, superior viewing in daytime lighting conditions, lower power consumption, the abilty to provide a fantastic 3D picture, the ability to output 140fl with out clipping the gray level which would allow you to overcome reflections in most rooms, the fact it is actually available and especially the 10 extra inches of the 70X5.

Opinions are subjective as well.
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