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kuro killers

i wish this would be put to rest, it is a great set w/ the ld in action. however, calling it a kuro killer is just over the top. they both have there strengths and weaknesses. neither one totally out performance one another.
Since you seem to be the only one disappointed in your Kuro Killer, why don't you return it for a plasma set that will not suffer the drop off in PQ from extreme angles. Since this seems to be a flaw of LCD tech you can not live with.
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Ditto.



It's all fanboy BS until we see more pro reports to supplement Kevin Miller's, specifically, umr and D-Nice.



Actually, yes.
i am not disrespecting kevin in any way. however, when i as a OWNER can critically judge the off-axis viewing and see blooming (fairly minor) dead center and come up with a different analysis then him i go with what i see. the other thing is when people say that the black levels are a little better then the 929, let me ask you this can we really go below a 0% ire stimuli? i can assure you when d-nice and others come out with there critical review it will not be so sugar coated as others have stated.jmho

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I'm not saying the guy doesn't own the TV, but I just find it odd he has a $6000 TV and doesn't own a digital camera. Hell, my free cell phone has a built in camera that takes decent pics with enough light. We offered to critic his setup if he posted pics, to see if his was mounted wrong.
Also, the one thing he keeps harping on, namely viewing angles, have been confirmed to be no worse than any other LCD out there by peoples whose opinions are respected. Maybe he is just not used to the drop off in PQ because he has owned a plasma, or maybe his couch is at a 45 degree angle to his set. Maybe he is sitting to close to the TV and it drops off quicker or maybe it is mounted to high.
just chill a bit, i have taken some pictures and uploaded them to imageshack. now if you or anybody else can tell me how in the hell to get the pictures over here i'll be more then happy to prove i own the 8500 and the elite. one really shouldn't have to prove of ownership though. as far as viewing angles you have to remember i owned the 55lhx that had they ips panel...so yes that is what i'm used to. the 8500 is very similar with rapid contrast washout like the elite.

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just chill a bit, i have taken some pictures and uploaded them to imageshack. now if you or anybody else can tell me how in the hell to get the pictures over here i'll be more then happy to prove i own the 8500 and the elite. one really shouldn't have to prove of ownership though. as far as viewing angles you have to remember i owned the 55lhx that had they ips panel...so yes that is what i'm used to. the 8500 is very similar with rapid contrast washout like the elite.
Within imageshack click the picture you want to post. Copy the url, when ready log back into AVS, hit the post image icon , insert the url in the box that comes up.

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Quattron yellow subpixels in action???
Nope, the picture was taken in Movie (THX) picture mode, so the yellow sub-pixel was not active.

 

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Why, why, why can't there be a 55" version? Current Wife would kill me if I brought home the 60". It's a fairly narrow room, with the television wall not being very wide, so 5" is a lot of difference. Guess I'm "stuck" getting the 55" 929.
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Not bad for your 1st time. That screen shot of the Elite is really small.

EDIT: saw your next post. Much better
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Here some of the pictures which show perfectly the blue overdrive trailing I had on my Sharp 46LE925e. They tried to fix it two times but couldn't, since it's a general problem of the LE925 and also the LE830 televisions (see the reviews on flatpanelshd.com).

The picture quality is kind of bad. The reason therefore is that you can only see the effect on moving objects. I had to take a video and then stop the video to get a picture of it. If you wanna take a picture directly from the TV you can't see the trailing. But it was very visible by eye and also it got worse with the time.

That's a little scary. I don't think the Elite has this or it would have been easily noted.
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Why, why, why can't there be a 55" version? Current Wife would kill me if I brought home the 60". It's a fairly narrow room, with the television wall not being very wide, so 5" is a lot of difference. Guess I'm "stuck" getting the 55" 929.

My friend, go big or go home...right? Seriously, see if you can eek out the 5 inches, this set is that good, try and do it. You will appreciate the greater size (as long as it fits) immediately. 2 months later, you will wonder how you ever thought that 55inch was enough. Seen it way too many times...
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Just saw the 70" Elite at Best Buy. Wow, that is one nice set. Picture was beautiful. I still don't think I can bring myself to pay $8,000 for a TV.
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hi all just ordered my 60'' elite from Robert at Value. Should be here next Thursday... can't wait
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the other image is the 55b8500

Judging for your one pic it looks like it handled the flash pretty well as I do not see your reflection. If those floor speakers are the standard height it looks like you have it 3ft height which is probably to high for your viewing distance. Also, this look like the 60" and the only ones I have seen were the 70", so it maybe a problem inherent to the 60" line. If you can adjust the tv down or your seating position up. Also, make sure you are sitting the recommend distance back, as sitting to close will make off-axis viewing worse. You may just by use to plasma or ips panels, but in actually the Kuro Killer has an off axis viewing area no worst than any other current LCD, and by all accounts even slight better than the Sony HX929.
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hi all just ordered my 60'' elite from Robert at Value. Should be here next Thursday... can't wait

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Grats! Welcome to the ELITE club!

Thanks Rad, Have you done any gaming on the set at all? If so how did it perform, any lag? blurring or trailing?
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Has anyone bought the FreeTalk Sharp Elite TV Skype Communications Camera? I saw a reference to it on the Sharp Elite TV web site http://elitelcdtv.com and was wondering.

Its $129 and only available online from here it seems:
http://freetalk.me/product/freetalk%...for-elite-tvs/

Any feedback on how well it works would be much appreciated. Thank you all,

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I'm not saying the guy doesn't own the TV, but I just find it odd he has a $6000 TV and doesn't own a digital camera. Hell, my free cell phone has a built in camera that takes decent pics with enough light. We offered to critic his setup if he posted pics, to see if his was mounted wrong.
Also, the one thing he keeps harping on, namely viewing angles, have been confirmed to be no worse than any other LCD out there by peoples whose opinions are respected. Maybe he is just not used to the drop off in PQ because he has owned a plasma, or maybe his couch is at a 45 degree angle to his set. Maybe he is sitting to close to the TV and it drops off quicker or maybe it is mounted to high.

Which is exactly why I thought what I thought. But I've learned I must just keep it to myself. The reason I even brought it to attention was the fact that this set does indeed piss off most plasma owners. It's hated purely because its lcd. If it were a plasma being a kuro killer. It wouldn't be such a big deal. As we've all seen. People will be very quick to man something look bad. Regardless of how great (or horrible) it actually is.

Either way. Right or wrong. I personally don't care if its a kuro killer or not. It's going to be the best set that's stepping foot in my house. That's more then enough for me.
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Just saw the 70" Elite at Best Buy. Wow, that is one nice set. Picture was beautiful. I still don't think I can bring myself to pay $8,000 for a TV.

Yeah. Price is a bit to high.
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I brought my 70" Elite home tonight and I am going to do an A/B comparison to my 65VT30 which i am quite fond of. Being a Pioneer Elite Dealer for over 10 years and loving Plasmas and falling in love with the VT25 and now the VT30, I am in for a interesting ride with this baby.

We are going to try and get it setup thurs night and I want to keep my VT30 near by so we can do some sort of comparison. I would love to actually run a HDMI splitter and run both Tv's at the same time but thats going to be tough.

I am really hoping that the picture stacks up to the press and pushes me into LCD/LED because I love my plasmas..

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I sold my unopened VT30 to wait for the Sony 65HX929 which keeps getting delayed. Now I'm also considering the Elite Pro-70X5FD although the price is more than double of what I had paid for the VT30.
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While in Chicago on holiday this weekend, I stumbled into a Magnolia (vernon hills - vermin hills for libertyvillians) that had a 70" elite on display.

Firstly, the black levels were impressive, but shadow detail was not. There was clear aliasing in movement, although the frame interpolation was very good. Mosquito noise reduction was excellent.

I have always been drawn to plasma, but was impressed by this set, which was uncallibrated. That said, the motion/fluidity was noticeably inferior to the VT30 across the room.
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Thanks Rad, Have you done any gaming on the set at all? If so how did it perform, any lag? blurring or trailing?

That's one of the things I'm going to test out this weekend along with the 3D.

 

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While in Chicago on holiday this weekend, I stumbled into a Magnolia (vernon hills - vermin hills for libertyvillians) that had a 70" elite on display.

Firstly, the black levels were impressive, but shadow detail was not. There was clear aliasing in movement, although the frame interpolation was very good. Mosquito noise reduction was excellent.

I have always been drawn to plasma, but was impressed by this set, which was uncallibrated. That said, the motion/fluidity was noticeably inferior to the VT30 across the room.

I owned the VT30 and I can tell you first hand that the motion was marginal better better at most. Certainly not by much as much your claiming or it would be an issue, which it is not. Motion on the ELITE is simply the best I've seen on any LCD TV.
What settings did you have the ELITE on when you were checking it out? Under what lighting conditions? If your seeing issues with the shadow detail then you probably were not in THX picture mode, were you? Additionally I'd be curious to know how much time you spent with the set to be making such claims?

 

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One huge thing I noticed with this display is that torch mode is just as bad as any other set introducing all kinds of funky anomalies. Beware of what you see in the store as is true with any set. Check the settings and as most of you know, the thx mode is almost perfect so that's almost a must when evaluating this set.
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I'm struggling to find evidence the Elite is "hated" by plasma owners. I'm finding evidence that some people -- of all stripes -- find that there are some legitimate minor issues worth mentioning with the Elite. This was similarly true of the Kuro. And daring to mention those also got one bitch slapped here. Hell, it still does.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I'm struggling to find evidence the Elite is "hated" by plasma owners. I'm finding evidence that some people -- of all stripes -- find that there are some legitimate minor issues worth mentioning with the Elite. This was similarly true of the Kuro. And daring to mention those also got one bitch slapped here. Hell, it still does.

I'm a current Kuro owner (thereby also making me a plasma owner) and I have no ill will towards this set. In fact, as I have said a few times, I am excited to see what type of calibrated results can be had with these new Sharp Elites and am definitely looking forward to future models to see just how much better these can get and where the future will take the Elite badge, even if it's an LCD TV. Results are results and I am not biased to how they are obtained (as long as I can afford said results )
Why am I looking forward to all this? Because I want a TV that will replace my PRO-101FD when the time comes without it being a downgrade. Hence why I am following this thread (and also reading up in the 929 thread). I have no plans on said replacement until the unit I currently have breaks or until I come into extra money since a Kuro is still a top notch TV even two years later (which is really hard to do for any major electronic component where new models roll out every year) and I paid less than 50% MSRP for new in box...hell of a steal.

That being said, the only animosity I have is because of those who keep pushing the label "Kuro Killer" around. Not because I take offense or want my Kuro to remain untouched, but because for all intensive purposes, the Kuro is dead. It has been dead since the last unit ever rolled off the assembly line. If the main objective of this TV is to compete with a set that cannot be found in stores anymore, just how good do you think Sharp will do profit wise? I am pretty sure they have sets like the 929 and VT30 in mind for competition, which is why some views in this thread are very disturbing as they pretty much sweep aside said current sets as non-comp and aim all their hopes and dreams at beating a dead horse

I will sit back and await being flamed for, well god knows what. In the meantime I hope to keep seeing first hand experiences, opinions, and constructive (the word being constructive) thoughts while I await my Best Buy to get these in stock.
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The man's got a point, the Kuro is already dead.

Perhaps everyone can refer to the new Sharp Elites as 'Kuro grave stompers'?

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The man's got a point, the Kuro is already dead.

Perhaps everyone can refer to the new Sharp Elites as 'Kuro grave stompers'?

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And in the meantime the 929 and the VT30 keep sneaking under the radar. Dun Dun Dun.
Heck, I even forgot about the non-Elite 735's......
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I owned the VT30 and I can tell you first hand that the motion was marginal better better at most. Certainly not by much as much your claiming or it would be an issue, which it is not. Motion on the ELITE is simply the best I've seen on any LCD TV.
What settings did you have the ELITE on when you were checking it out? Under what lighting conditions? If your seeing issues with the shadow detail then you probably were not in THX picture mode, were you? Additionally I'd be curious to know how much time you spent with the set to be making such claims?

Whoa. Calm down...we're not talking about your wife here.

My commentary is both positive and negative.

It was in THX mode and it appeared shadow detail was being lost, which probably could be brought in via calibration. The black levels were good.

There was image tearing in fast movement that I almost always see with interpolation in lcds.

This is not meant as a knock on the tv. It's meant as objective commentary. If you're going to scorn that, then we can re-name this "the subjective fanboy owners thread where even the hint of criticism will not be tolerated."
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Whoa. Calm down...we're not talking about your wife here.

My commentary is both positive and negative.

It was in THX mode and it appeared shadow detail was being lost, which probably could be brought in via calibration. The black levels were good.

There was image tearing in fast movement that I almost always see with interpolation in lcds.

This is not meant as a knock on the tv. It's meant as objective commentary. If you're going to scorn that, then we can re-name this "the subjective fanboy owners thread where even the hint of criticism will not be tolerated."

Sorry if my post came off as aggressive to you or something it was not my intention, please don't jump to any conclusions. Back on topic, all my questions to you were valid though.

 

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in my opinion nothing comes close to the sound quality of my 151 which I feel isn't addressed much. I've returned tvs like a samsung LCD before my 151 just because the sound was horrible and panasonic isn't much better. .

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