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So I got my TV delivered yesterday and this is my first LED LCD. I previously had a 65 inch Mits. rear projection.

I know absolutely nothing about calibrating this thing. I keep switching modes and just don't know what to do. Sports seem to look best in Standard mode, while movies look better in Movie mode, which makes sense.

I have been through this thread and have seen many people talking about making calibrations. I even copied the poster Rage2's settings in movie mode and did not like it at all, especially when I put it on a football game. I did take Chad's advice and turned off Film Mode and Noise Reduction. (That SOE freaked me out at first, I had never even heard of it, but I knew something was very wrong).

Anyway, I watch just about everything (sports, movies, sitcoms, dramas, etc.). I also play video games. Is there one setting that you find works best for each type of viewing? Do you change between modes? I live in Lafayette, LA, is there anyone besides Best Buy that could calibrate this TV and be competent? On that note, is Best Buy (Geek Squad) even someone you would consider for calibrating this TV?

I also have all my inputs (cable box, PS3, HTPC) running through my Onkyo TS -XR607 receiver. Does this make a difference? It is convenient, but i don't know if this can make a difference with the picture.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am new to this size and type of TV and while I am really enjoying it, I want to get the best possible viewing experience I can. Thanks in advance for any advice.
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All this is true when one knows that the 1080p system is designed for the viewing distance 3-4xH where H is the picture height. Viewing 80" display from 10,5 ft is closer to 3xH so surely all the detail and sharpness is there. HOWEVER, one should also remember that in such condition the content viewed must be immaculately pristine. Any blemish will be revealed, any corner cut will be annoying. This in particular puts question mark if broadcast TV content can be then fully enjoyed. Thus, one would think the 3H is rather a home cinema arrangement for top quality BRays. Those who think about usage as TV should think about 4H as the minimum.

Good point irkuck. I should have mentioned that when I stated 1080P content that it was indeed 1080P RESOLUTION and devoid of artifacts commonly seen on cable and satellite programming. I agree that a lot of content broadcast and released as 1080i or 1080P is actually of much lower resolution. I avoid SD content for that reason and also because I can't move back 40' so that it will look acceptably sharp. I watch mostly high quality 1080P content (Pixar is one of the best) and other fairly recent movie releases that offer gorgeous video quality (Iron Man, Captain America, etc.....).
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So I got my TV delivered yesterday and this is my first LED LCD. I previously had a 65 inch Mits. rear projection.

I know absolutely nothing about calibrating this thing. I keep switching modes and just don't know what to do. Sports seem to look best in Standard mode, while movies look better in Movie mode, which makes sense.

I have been through this thread and have seen many people talking about making calibrations. I even copied the poster Rage2's settings in movie mode and did not like it at all, especially when I put it on a football game. I did take Chad's advice and turned off Film Mode and Noise Reduction. (That SOE freaked me out at first, I had never even heard of it, but I knew something was very wrong).

Anyway, I watch just about everything (sports, movies, sitcoms, dramas, etc.). I also play video games. Is there one setting that you find works best for each type of viewing? Do you change between modes? I live in Lafayette, LA, is there anyone besides Best Buy that could calibrate this TV and be competent? On that note, is Best Buy (Geek Squad) even someone you would consider for calibrating this TV?

I also have all my inputs (cable box, PS3, HTPC) running through my Onkyo TS -XR607 receiver. Does this make a difference? It is convenient, but i don't know if this can make a difference with the picture.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am new to this size and type of TV and while I am really enjoying it, I want to get the best possible viewing experience I can. Thanks in advance for any advice.

I still haven't played with the RGB settings that seem to be located all over the place in these Sharps. I'm more used to the standard 2 point and 10 point menus. One of these days I'll try to figure it out and hook up my eye1 and CalMan and play with it. For now grays seem fairly neutral and the colors look fairly close to me. I've been enjoying the set the last week or so with the following settings and am not aware of any gross abnormalities. Occasionally, it seems like there is some black crush happening but it is variable so I'm guessing it is just the content and the fact that the Sharp shows a much darker black than I'm used to. Anyway, try these settings and see how you like them......
AV MODE: USER
OPC: OFF
BACKLIGHT: -3
CONTRAST: +29
BRIGHTNESS: +1
COLOR: -4
TINT:-2
SHARPNESS: 0 OR +1 (DEPENDING ON CONTENT)

ADVANCED MENU
CMS HUE/SATURATION/VALUE: DEFAULT
COLOR TEMP: MIDDLE (LOVE THE PURE WHITES)
COLOR TEMP: RGB H&L - DEFAULT
MOTION ENHANCED: 120Hz HIGH
ACTIVE CONTRAST: OFF
GAMMA: +1
FILM MODE: ADVANCED HIGH (NO JUDDER)
DIGITAL NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
MONOCHROME: OFF
RANGE OF OPC: +5 -7 (TURNED OFF SO DOESN'T REALLY MATTER)
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Hi all,

I finally saw the LC-80LE632U at the Fillion store in Montreal. It's a big TV alright! I really liked what I saw. The salesman gave me the remote so I was able to fool around with the picture settings for half an hour or so.

From what I saw, picture grain was not an issue at a 10 feet viewing distance with a good source. Image artifacts in the source were easily discernable but when the source was clean the resulting picture was excellent.

I felt that, for BR movies, motion handling looked smoother than what I have on my 65VT25 (this is one aspect of my VT25 that I dislike). I did not see any difference resulting from the activation of the Motion Enhancement option, 120Hz high or 120Hz Low. On the other hand, activating Film Mode Advanced High or Advanced Low made the panning scenes a lot smoother with a less severe SOE than what I saw on some other brands or on my VT using PowerDVD and other PC programs for interpolation.

For 60 fps material I feel that my 65VT25 is a bit more sharp and clear. There was a hockey game playing in the store on the LC-80LE632U and the puck and sometimes even the players became a little blurry in fast pans. The LC-80LE632U is sharp for a TV this big but I feel not as sharp as the 65VT25. But then again, the 65VT25 is quite bit smaller.

The LC-80LE632U can be VERY bright, it can be set “too bright for my tastes”. Full screen white scenes look kinda dull on my VT25 but this is not the case with the LC-80LE632U. Full screen white scenes have a lot of punch.

Screen uniformity is excellent on the VT25 and I would say it’s good on the LC-80LE632U. Dirty Screen Effect was almost none existent and no dark corners were to be seen on the LC-80LE632U. The LC-70LE735U right next to it had dark corners and pretty horrible DSE that became really apparent during camera pans over the ice.

Black levels on the LC-80LE632U looked ok in the store with medium ambient light but I fear I will not be satisfied from the numbers I read in Chad’s review and from what I saw in the store as I like to watch movies in a completely dark environment. On the other hand, the LC-80LE632U does not have floating blacks that my VT25 has…

I am fighting temptation to buy this TV and it’s even more difficult since a 80” TV has wifi's seal of approval. I guess we got used to the size of the 72” RPTV I owned before the VT25 but its colors where off, its blacks where average and the picture was nowhere near bright. For all those reasons I downsized to 65VT25 for better overall picture quality. Now I want to go back to a bigger screen with good colors, even better (or at least identical) black level (with no FB), punchy whites, and good motion.

So I think I’ll wait and see what CES has to show in January as I would like to get a model with local dimming for better blacks. But boy am I tempted.
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[quote=waltaz;21194472]...because I'm a plasma bigot/zealot, and will only get a plasma...I've been looking at upgrading my 58" Sammy to a 64/65" Sammy or Panny.

Then I saw this at BB...

80"...

Then I read this thread...

80"...

Now I want this panel...

Anyone seen the lc-80le632udcdi? If so is it worth the extra $$? Can only find it on the internet anyone know if it's in a store?
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dcdi is just a faroudja upscaler I think. I really doubt it would make much difference, especially if you have a decent a/v receiver made in the last year or two. seems most devices have upscalers in them now. I know most bluray players do as well receivers. so having it in the tv probably wouldnt make that big a difference. not to mention, it would have to be turned off anyway if you do any kind of gaming.
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So I think I’ll wait and see what CES has to show in January as I would like to get a model with local dimming for better blacks. But boy am I tempted.

Yep we will see whats coming out at CES, then have to wait 3-9 months for the units to show up. Remember this 80" was not even at CES ! Nor where the Sharp Elites. LOL, speaking of which, I wonder what booth the new Elites will be in at CES....
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Finally had the chance to see the set at a Best Buy Magnolia store in Mt. Laurel, NJ. I did some measurements to see what would be needed to put it in place where my Panasonsic 65" Plasma S1 now sits. I didn't go to judge the TV on picture quality (not the place to do it). However, the picture looked really good to me, even in the store. I appreciate all the good people of this forum that post about this set. Thank you.

I ordered the TV this morning from Cleveland Plasma. Thanks Chris! Now, I wait for it to arrive, kind of like a kid waiting for Christmas morning. My wife says men never grow up, and their "toys" get more expensive. Can't wait to join the club!!
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What is the typical price people are paying for this unit? I've seen numbers range from $4k-5k.

Where do you think the price will go from here? I've seen some people believe it will be at or below $4k around the superbowl.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I recall the original 70" set being around $2200 at first then they actually raised the price on it. Is there any possibility of that with the 80"?

Sorry for all the questions, I just bought a house with a walkout basement with lots of ambient lighting that I intend on turning into a "sports" bar, so I'd prefer a large tv or a projector for the space. Just trying to figure out what the price range will be around spring/early summer 2012.
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My wife says men never grow up, and their "toys" get more expensive.

Well- you should tell her that women........

nah. better to bite your tongue and enjoy your new TV!

Congrats
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Suzook. Who is hh? If you are refferring to hhgregg I just checked their website and its priced at $4999. Same as best buy. If hh is somebody else im not familiar with that site. Thanks
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yes HH Gregg it is an in store price. You will not find it online.
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yes HH Gregg it is an in store price. You will not find it online.

I can confirm this. The sale was a couple of weeks ago. I bought mine last week and simply told them that I wanted the price from the previous sale. The salesman had to go talk to his manager about it, but they gave me the price I was looking for. Then knock off another 5% for using their card.
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I was at HH today and it was $4999. The 70" was $2800. The 80" did look really nice but they had a 1080p dvd feeding it.
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Looking at picking up this set once it drops below $4K. I do have some questions though…

Earlier this year, I bought a Vizio 55” backlit LED 480Hz, 3D, wi-fi, 10,000,000:1 contrast ratio. I sit about 11 ft away from the TV. I absolutely love the picture quality. It amazes me every time I view it.

I realize, 80” is a beast and has a big “wow” factor. Other than that, to me it seems Sharp has skimped on some features and is hoping this thing will sell based on size alone. And it probably will…as said, I’m looking at buying one.

The two main things that concern me are the 120Hz and the 6,000,000:1 contrast ratio, which are both a step down from my Vizio. But are those two things that important to overall picture quality? I like the SOE, also. I will not be turning it off.

When gaming, I also like to sit about 5’-6’ away, which seems to work great on my 55”. Yet, supposedly this 80" TV has poor picture quality when viewing up close?
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called my local HH as a possible interested buyer. Mentioned the old sale price. Took the guy about 5 seconds to say they would match it. Go to HH and ask, you will get that price. Dont waste 1k if you dont have to
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When gaming, I also like to sit about 5'-6' away, which seems to work great on my 55. Yet, supposedly this 80" TV has poor picture quality when viewing up close?

Well, with an 80" screen you won't need nor want to sit 5'-6' away while gaming

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Well, with an 80" screen you won't need nor want to sit 5'-6' away while gaming

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So does that mean I'm wrong about the picture quality being poor at that distance?
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Heavy PC gamer here and about 9ft it looks incredible at 1080p on my rig. I can't say about the consoles as they're mostly 720p anyway, but for PC it's awesome.
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Heavy PC gamer here and about 9ft it looks incredible at 1080p on my rig. I can't say about the consoles as they're mostly 720p anyway, but for PC it's awesome.

Hey Bahn, how is surfing the web @ 9ft with this tv. Is it easy reading or do would one need to sit closer and thereby expose oneself to a more grainy picture?
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if something is announced at CES then its typical to have 4 to 6 months before it arrives to buy. So if you can wait until July you will likeky be rewarded


sigh... I REALLY want the 70 735... but if everyone feels the 80 will be out in 3D somewhat soon... I'll wait. I guess the upside is if the 80 doesnt come out in 3D the 735 will have come down in price by then.... ahhh... the waiting game.
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sigh... I REALLY want the 70 735... but if everyone feels the 80 will be out in 3D somewhat soon... I'll wait. I guess the upside is if the 80 doesnt come out in 3D the 735 will have come down in price by then.... ahhh... the waiting game.

I'm going to wait till next year also to see if 3D is added. Hopefully the standard for 3D glasses will be in place and all glasses will be blue tooth and compatible with other manufacturers sets. If so the 80 should have that advantage. I know the edge PDP has on LED for 3D but doesn't LED have the edge on brightness? I have a 64D8000 and it's wonderful for 2D and 3D it needs to be brighter in the 3D mode.
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So does that mean I'm wrong about the picture quality being poor at that distance?

No, it means you are ignorant on this subject. Posters on this forum generally will not respond to a question such as yours. What you truly need to do is to educate yourself, and do not ask naive questions. A complete answer to your simple question would require more time than any sane person would spend on such a query.

As a first step, calculate the relative size of an 80" DM set vs a 55" DM set. Now go to your 55" set and move to the same RELATIVE position that provides the same percentage of field of vision of the 80" at your 5'. You will find that you are closer than 5' and you WILL be able to see the construction of the panel AKA screen door effect, etc. The 80 inch set alas still only has 1920X1080 pixels. Each pixel is BIGGER and therefore the artifacts caused by the construction of the panel are likewise BIGGER. This is NOT a bad thing. It is simply the physics of the panel...In order to not see these artifacts, you need to be further from the screen.
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I thought it was Rogo responding to this and then I realized its a new version.

Little harsh dont you think.

Having seen this panel up close, I can tell you that its still hard to see the pixel even at 5 feet. I have 20/10 so I am not blind by any stretch.

no matter, just enjoy the heck out of it from 9, 10 or 20 feet what ever you like.

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No, it means you are ignorant on this subject. Posters on this forum generally will not respond to a question such as yours. What you truly need to do is to educate yourself, and do not ask naive questions. A complete answer to your simple question would require more time than any sane person would spend on such a query.

As a first step, calculate the relative size of an 80" DM set vs a 55" DM set. Now go to your 55" set and move to the same RELATIVE position that provides the same percentage of field of vision of the 80" at your 5'. You will find that you are closer than 5' and you WILL be able to see the construction of the panel AKA screen door effect, etc. The 80 inch set alas still only has 1920X1080 pixels. Each pixel is BIGGER and therefore the artifacts caused by the construction of the panel are likewise BIGGER. This is NOT a bad thing. It is simply the physics of the panel...In order to not see these artifacts, you need to be further from the screen.

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What is the typical price people are paying for this unit? I've seen numbers range from $4k-5k.

Where do you think the price will go from here? I've seen some people believe it will be at or below $4k around the superbowl.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I recall the original 70" set being around $2200 at first then they actually raised the price on it. Is there any possibility of that with the 80"?

Sorry for all the questions, I just bought a house with a walkout basement with lots of ambient lighting that I intend on turning into a "sports" bar, so I'd prefer a large tv or a projector for the space. Just trying to figure out what the price range will be around spring/early summer 2012.

I think we are all pondering that question, as most of us who view this thread would love to have this display. Of course, the trend on TV's in general has been for prices to decrease, but these large Sharps are a special case. We don't know what the other manufactures are planning to unveil at CES, but for now and the near future they don't seem to have any competition. Therefore, there is no incentive to lower the prices on that account. Also, many people seem to agree that they are an unexpected (and welcome) bargain for their size. For example, the only 70" flat panel available until March of this year was the Sony 70" XBR7 which cost about $20 grand. So my guess is that they will not drop significantly in price, but who knows?
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So are there any juicy rumors as far as when we might see 3D added to 80inch Sharps?? I'm all but decided on 70735, but would love to get 80632 with 3D instead.
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to people worried about tvs like this being too big for seating distance, i have a 106 inch screen with projector and sit around 7 feet away and don't see pixels on 1080p material. 80 inches is no problem.

it's funny, after having a projector setup for years, a 80 inch screen sounds kinda small now that i'm used to 106 inch screen. a 55 inch tv looks like a iphone screen to me
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to people worried about tvs like this being too big for seating distance, i have a 106 inch screen with projector and sit around 7 feet away and don't see pixels on 1080p material. 80 inches is no problem.

From what distance you DO see the pixels on your projector screen?

This is to enlighten you that the pixel structure of a projector and LCD panel may be different.

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From what distance you DO see the pixels on your projector screen?

This is to enlighten you that the pixel structure of a projector and LCD panel may be different.

The Sharp sets (most of them anyway) in particular, as they use a split pixel design for most of their screens, including the 80". This does make the visibility of the pixels somewhat more likely at common viewing distances. The example that caused me to first notice it on my 52" Sharp some years ago was when I was using it as a PC monitor screen. If you open the Task Manager and look under the Performance tab, there are 2 screens - CPU usage and Memory. The darker shaded parts of those screens look VERY different than from a typical 1080P monitor without the split pixel. This difference is in fact obvious from at least 10 feet away. In typical viewing, of course, you will rarely be aware of this anomaly, but it is there. I took a closeup picture a few years ago and posted it in the AVS forum. Maybe when I get a chance I will take a couple of new pictures to show the difference.
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So are there any juicy rumors as far as when we might see 3D added to 80inch Sharps?? I'm all but decided on 70735, but would love to get 80632 with 3D instead.

Sure there are, 9 months to a year there will probably be a 80" 3D unit.....
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