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I want to buy a LED that has a full array of LEDs not edge-lit. Unfortunately this information is often buried or not available at all on shopping webpages.

Is there someone way to search websites such as Amazon.com for TVs that have a full array of LEDs instead of being edge-lit?
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I want to buy a LED that has a full array of LEDs not edge-lit. Unfortunately this information is often buried or not available at all on shopping webpages.

Is there someone way to search websites such as Amazon.com for TVs that have a full array of LEDs instead of being edge-lit?

Sony 929, LG Nano, and Elite are the only three atm with local dimming.
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Theres the Sony HX929!
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And the Vizio XVT553....XVT473.......
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It looks like things are pretty much the same. If I could ask:

1) Sony's HX909 vs. HX929: In terms of actual picture quality, how different are they? Since the 909's are a bit dated, are they close in picture quality and therefore a bargain, or are the 929's that much better? I'm also curious about 3D, not because I'd watch it all the time but if one is significantly better than the other I'd consider it and I think for some things (sports, movies, and some games) it could be nice. This is presuming somebody has seen both side-by-side (I've read through each one's user thread so if it is in one of those I missed it).

It's probably relevant that I'm using it for TV, movies, and some gaming. It's going to mainly be for a movie/gaming room, ~10' distance between couch & TV, and going 55" (or closest, so I guess 52" if I go with an HX909) just for a more immersive experience than our main everyday TV. This is primarily because our main TV is faaaaaaaaaar away, and this will be for when we want to actually pay attention more so than when we're all gathered around watching my daughter's children's programming or whatnot.

2) If I am not in a hurry, should I wait until the next models come out? I'd like something fairly soon, but if it's a couple months or so down the road that is no big deal to me.

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Sharp Elite wins Value Electronics' HDTV shootout

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7.../?tag=mncol;2n

Latest Sony XBR--HX929 review

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I know it is probably a bit early, however is there any feel for if there is going to be a switch to more full array LED TVs in 2012, or if companies are going to largely be sticking with edge-lit for most of the models? I've been told they'll eventually go to full LED backlit, just not sure how soon they will be making that switch.

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More than likely it will just be newer versions of what currently exist. You may see a tweener from Sharp that falls between the the Elite and 7 series.
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Another option you might consider is the LG 55LHX - still available via Newegg and QVC - especially if you're looking for a set with a matte screen.

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Another option you might consider is the LG 55LHX - still available via Newegg and QVC - especially if you're looking for a set with a matte screen.

Tony

Hey Tony,

Thanks for the suggestion. The only thing that would deter me from that would be that I want at least the option of 3D. I'm not planning on using it much, but the occasional movie that was made for it (e.g. Avatar, Hugo, Toy Story 3, etc.) would make it nice to have. Otherwise, yeah, the 55LHX seems just about perfect.

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Can we update this thread with any new full array LED's? I know that the 2011 70" Sharp's are all full array. And the high end 2012 Sharps are. What else?
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Can we update this thread with any new full array LED's? I know that the 2011 70" Sharp's are all full array. And the high end 2012 Sharps are. What else?
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That's it. Full array local dimming is more or less dead, unless there is some weird LG model that is supposed to use it (which I doubt, and really, most of these high-end LG sets never appear in the U.S. anyway).

2012 Full array models

* Sharp 945, 60", 70"
* Sharp Elite 60", 70" (2011 models for now, new models expected late in 2012)
* Sharp's 80" models (?) None will be local dimming unless there is an Elite. Honestly, I had thought these were going edge lit, but it appears they aren't.
* Sony HX929, 46", 55", 65" (this is also a 2011 carryover model, Sony has told some people it will not be upgraded and will carryover throughout 2012)

Full-array LED is really already rare and will only be getting rarer.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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That's it. Full array local dimming is more or less dead, unless there is some weird LG model that is supposed to use it (which I doubt, and really, most of these high-end LG sets never appear in the U.S. anyway).

2012 Full array models

* Sharp 945, 60", 70"
* Sharp Elite 60", 70" (2011 models for now, new models expected late in 2012)
* Sharp's 80" models (?) None will be local dimming unless there is an Elite. Honestly, I had thought these were going edge lit, but it appears they aren't.
* Sony HX929, 46", 55", 65" (this is also a 2011 carryover model, Sony has told some people it will not be upgraded and will carryover throughout 2012)

Full-array LED is really already rare and will only be getting rarer.

The LG LM9600 series (their 2012 flagship) will be full array.

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The LG LM9600 series (their 2012 flagship) will be full array.

Thanks Tempest. What sizes is that supposed to come in?

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Thanks Tempest. What sizes is that supposed to come in?



Lots of info here.

The only consistent size that I keep seeing is 55". I've also seen 45", 60", 65", and 80" version which will be 4k res.

Also, since it's LG and Passive 3D, I hope that means this is an IPS panel. Everybody else seems to be going TN, which is killing viewing angles, for the sake of 3D. It's a ridiculous compromise, IMO.

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Lots of info here.

The only consistent size that I keep seeing is 55". I've also seen 45", 60", 65", and 80" version which will be 4k res.

Also, since it's LG and Passive 3D, I hope that means this is an IPS panel. Everybody else seems to be going TN, which is killing viewing angles, for the sake of 3D. It's a ridiculous compromise, IMO.

Seems to me it's 47, 55 and 60... with the 60 due much later and not using the Nano tech... The 84 will never see the light of day. I see no evidence whatsoever of a 65, LG has never shipped a 65 in the U.S. (or anywhere?)... It's also not mentioned in the press coverage from CES.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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LG has never shipped a 65 in the U.S. (or anywhere?)...

that's not entirely true...my store has had a 65LW6500 on display for a while..they look like crap, but they're available

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Lots of info here.

The only consistent size that I keep seeing is 55". I've also seen 45", 60", 65", and 80" version which will be 4k res.

Also, since it's LG and Passive 3D, I hope that means this is an IPS panel. Everybody else seems to be going TN, which is killing viewing angles, for the sake of 3D. It's a ridiculous compromise, IMO.

No high end brands use TN panels above 26 (27inch for Samsung) sets. They use use IPS variants (Panasonic and LG) or VA variants (Sony, Samsung) then of course Sharp UV2A. No brand i would personally buy a tv set from uses TN panels in larger models.

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that's not entirely true...my store has had a 65LW6500 on display for a while..they look like crap, but they're available

OK, I stand corrected. Is it true they've never shipped a high end 65" set in the U.S.?

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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This thread captures the frustration I felt when choosing a new TV recently - there just wasn't much to chose from in full local dimming sets. And having lived with the Sony 929 (55") fora a month or so, there is absolutely no way I would want to go back to an edge lit set, in spite of a little DSE. Hugh end TVs appear to be an endangered species lately.
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No high end brands use TN panels above 26 (27inch for Samsung) sets. They use use IPS variants (Panasonic and LG) or VA variants (Sony, Samsung) then of course Sharp UV2A. No brand i would personally buy a tv set from uses TN panels in larger models.

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My bad. I was making a stupid assumption, given that I thought that VA was too slow for 3D that it had to be TN. I also really didn't expect the viewing angles to be so poor on a VA panel either.

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2012 FULL-ARRAY LOCAL DIMMING LED LCd's

Sharp:
LC-60LE945U
LC-70LE945U

march 02: status, model name and prospective features of this model are uncertain.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sharp-quattron-lc-70le945u/4505-6482_7-35118011.html

 

Sharp Elite Pro-60X5

Sharp Elite Pro-70X5

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sharp-elite-pro-60x5fd/4505-6482_7-35004013.html?tag=mncol;txt

*2011 model, still in production

 

Vizio:
XVT3D0CM  21:9 series, the 71incher has Local Dimming

rumored canceled

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/vizio-xvt3d710cm/4505-6482_7-35118075.html
 

LG:
55LM9600

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/lg-55lm9600/4505-6482_7-35123203.html

 


Sony:

XBR 55HX950

XBR 65HX950

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-xbr-55hx950/4505-6482_7-35431205.html

 

 

Philips: (Europe)

46PFL9707

60PFL9607

 http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2F58pfl9955.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F09%2F03%2Fphilips-2012-led-pro-mit-micro-dimming-premium-der-9000er-serie%2F

 

 

 

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My bad. I was making a stupid assumption, given that I thought that VA was too slow for 3D that it had to be TN. I also really didn't expect the viewing angles to be so poor on a VA panel either.

I'm guessing TN's most likely what Toshiba used in their TL515U series, because I've had mine for the past few days, and while I do like the PQ on some sources, the black levels are more grayish, and there is apparent motion blur. I mean, it is a good display, don't get me wrong, but I can see why Toshy's cheaper than most other major brands.

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No high end brands use TN panels above 26 (27inch for Samsung) sets. They use use IPS variants (Panasonic and LG) or VA variants (Sony, Samsung) then of course Sharp UV2A. No brand i would personally buy a tv set from uses TN panels in larger models.


Aaron

I thought there was a huge issue with LG and others with people needing to buy and return multiple TVs due to the panel lottery and a lot of crap floating about in the stores. There are all these posts about learning how to read the serial numbers in order to increase your chances of getting a good panel.
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There will be a 2012 Philips Local Dimming which will be announced this month (not in the USA).


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2012 FULL-ARRAY LOCAL DIMMING LED LCd's

Sharp:
LC-60LE945U

LC-70LE945U

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-573...-local-dimmer/


Vizio:
xvt3d710cm
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/v...trawidescreen/
R3D470VS Edge lit

R3D550VS Also edge lit


http://cdn.vizio.com/skin-cdn/bright/resources/line-cards/R3D470VS.pdf


LG:
47LM9600 Unfortunately it appears this one is not coming to market. It has even been removed from the LG website.

55LM9600

60LM9600

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-573...-to-60-inches/

Toshiba:
50L2200
http://us.toshiba.com/pressrelease/1...age=editorials

More HD please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Part of me believes this technology is all-but dead. That said, don't forget Samsung has teased a "9000 series" for late this year that will allegedly be full-array, locally dimmed. I guess we'll know within 6 months.

With the Sharps MIA, no real evidence of anything from LG, etc., this is really not a tech on the upswing alas.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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There will be a 2012 Philips Local Dimming which will be announced this month (not in the USA).


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2012 FULL-ARRAY LOCAL DIMMING LED LCd's

Sharp:
LC-60LE945U

LC-70LE945U

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-573...-local-dimmer/


Vizio:
xvt3d710cm
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/v...trawidescreen/
R3D470VS Edge lit

R3D550VS Also edge lit


http://cdn.vizio.com/skin-cdn/bright/resources/line-cards/R3D470VS.pdf


LG:
47LM9600 Unfortunately it appears this one is not coming to market. It has even been removed from the LG website.

55LM9600

60LM9600

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-573...-to-60-inches/

Toshiba:
50L2200
http://us.toshiba.com/pressrelease/1...age=editorials

i should give rx74ray a call biggrin.gif
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]Part of me believes this technology is all-but dead. That said, don't forget Samsung has teased a "9000 series" for late this year that will allegedly be full-array, locally dimmed. I guess we'll know within 6 months.

With the Sharps MIA, no real evidence of anything from LG, etc., this is really not a tech on the upswing alas.
I was very suprised when i found out that there where some Samsung full array LEDs this year^^ this is even more surprising.

Right now part of potential Local Dimming buyers go Plasma. Within a few year another part of that potentail will go OLEd, that seems to be the moment to quit manufacturing the Local Dimming stuff.
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Does anyone know what the LG "LED+" sets are? Are they edge-lit and just called something else for confusion? I can't find any information on them. Thanks.
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I want to buy a LED that has a full array of LEDs not edge-lit. Unfortunately this information is often buried or not available at all on shopping webpages.


Is there someone way to search websites such as Amazon.com for TVs that have a full array of LEDs instead of being edge-lit?


save your $ and wait for this. maybe LG will street price it to compete with the Sharp Elite.

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