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post #751 of 1496 Old 02-06-2012, 04:06 PM - Thread Starter
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Yes game mode is tricky to get nailed down on the 632. Honestly these sets have an issue with all of the primaries in my opinion (RED being the biggest issue) so do not expect a perfect 6500k or D65 cal, it's a balancing act (it does not appear a perfect REC709 green can be obtained). You'll also discover that Y will shift as you adjust xy so this is not a 100% proper CMS implementation. My game mode 6500k cal on my 60LE632 is

You're welcome!

Yes leave DNR off and I do use Game mode for all sources except cable tv (Blu Ray/PC/PS3/Xbox360), do not expect perfect settings for your cable box, sadly television from cable to sat to OTA and from one channel to the next has source variables. I use Standard mode with cable tv as it seems to have the least amount of sync issues over most channels. I have just adjusted Standard mode by eye since you will never see a perfect NTSC signal across all channels (my cable tv source requires different contrast/brightness settings thus the different mode). As I said in the other thread... remember what NTSC stands for = Never The Same Color.

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Thanks for the info. Mind sharing your calibration plots?

I was actually able to get a very good cal using movie mode on my 732, all of my deltas for color are under 2 (with luminance difference of about 2 absolute) and greyscale is +/- 2 off 100. I am pretty much inside all of the boxes for the 709 spec. Problem is I don't know if I'll be able to give that up moving to game mode :P
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My settings are linked on post #703 of this thread but I did not realize you had a 732, I have had a PM from another 732 owner stating my 632 settings did not work well. You are certainly welcome to try them but it appears the 632 is different from the 732.

Also if you did not come across the same RED issue on the 732 and have perfect 6500k/D65/REC709 then it is indeed different than the 632.

* Oh and if you want to PM me your Movie mode settings I will graph them on the 632 so we can confirm the variances.

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Has Sharp acknowledged any of the complaints posted here? I called their CS and apparently they are unaware of the "cloud" issue we've talked about.
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I accidentally posted this in the 80"led thread so here goes again.
Is this model canceled? Are retailers going to be restocked? I'm looking at buying one but I've gotta wait about a month or so. I'm trying to talk the wife into grabbing one now from our local store that has a few left.
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I accidentally posted this in the 80"led thread so here goes again.
Is this model canceled? Are retailers going to be restocked? I'm looking at buying one but I've gotta wait about a month or so. I'm trying to talk the wife into grabbing one now from our local store that has a few left.

They are actually coming out with 20 new models in 2012. Here is the link to the product information.
Link: http://files.sharpusa.com/Email/AQUO...ed_product.htm

I think they will discontinue last year's models but not sure when....hence the cheap prices on the 70" 632 series. I would try to grab one if you want last year's model.
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I guess the source material itself has a lot to do with it then? I'll have to try another movie via the xbox360/netflix and see if it does it as well.

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Hm, that's pretty weird. Right now I'm in film mode with all of the settings turned off, and I don't get any SOE.

Have you tried any other source? Also, are you coming from a plasma?

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Well, like I said before, I have everything turned off and have no SOE, BUT there are some commercials that I watch that have it pretty badly. I'm assuming this is just the way the commercial is shot because it only happens on certain ones.

I've had this TV since black Friday. I love it in general, but I also get SOE on some commercials and occasionally during movies.

It happens rare enough that I can live with it, but I hate SOE in general. Especially in commercials because you get image corruption at edges, e.g. around the edge of a person moving on the screen.

My only source is an HTPC with an Nvidia GTX460 set to output at 1920x1080p @ 60hz. I use SageTV for TV and movie playback.

I originally had my TV calibrated in the "PC" mode or whatever it's called. In that mode, the film and motion enhancement settings in the TV menu are disabled. I thought maybe there was a bug in the TV and it was still allowing the processing to happen incorrectly.

So, I switched to Movie mode and re-calibrated. I disabled the film mode an motion enhancement stuff, but it still happens. I haven't tried "Game" mode, but I would be surprised if that was any different than "PC" mode.

It seems like a bug to me. I don't want it to do this stupid "enhancement" garbage at all.

Any ideas?
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boiler11,

Game mode does not do S.O.E at all, it has the least processing of all the modes, and it is different from PC mode (you can check it for yourself since you have a pc connected... drag your mouse around the screen and in circles, you'll see the differences on each mode).

Beyond that having issues with certain tv channels or certain tv programming is always possible.

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They are actually coming out with 20 new models in 2012. Here is the link to the product information.
Link: http://files.sharpusa.com/Email/AQUO...ed_product.htm

I think they will discontinue last year's models but not sure when....hence the cheap prices on the 70" 632 series. I would try to grab one if you want last year's model.

Well I got the go ahead from the wife so I placed an in-store pickup order. Now after renting a truck I'm sitting at home waiting patiently (not really) for the email to arrive so I can pick it up. Been 1.5hrs so far and they close in 90mins
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My settings are linked on post #703 of this thread but I did not realize you had a 732, I have had a PM from another 732 owner stating my 632 settings did not work well. You are certainly welcome to try them but it appears the 632 is different from the 732.

Also if you did not come across the same RED issue on the 732 and have perfect 6500k/D65/REC709 then it is indeed different than the 632.

* Oh and if you want to PM me your Movie mode settings I will graph them on the 632 so we can confirm the variances.

Jason

Are you referring to the red issue of everything having a red tint when calibrating game mode? I don't really understand what is going on here - I can get the mode into a close enough cal using color slides and my meter but then when watching actual content everything has a clear red tint to it? Makes no sense to me why the cal would still look good but the end result so crappy? Please let me know your thoughts...
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Are you referring to the red issue of everything having a red tint when calibrating game mode? I don't really understand what is going on here - I can get the mode into a close enough cal using color slides and my meter but then when watching actual content everything has a clear red tint to it? Makes no sense to me why the cal would still look good but the end result so crappy? Please let me know your thoughts...

I have confirmation that the 732 is indeed different (beyond just being quad pixel) than the 632 and calibration settings will not cross over.

That said I don't want to make assumptions when I am not familiar with the display.

Best of Luck!
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I have confirmation that the 732 is indeed different (beyond just being quad pixel) than the 632 and calibration settings will not cross over.

That said I don't want to make assumptions when I am not familiar with the display.

Best of Luck!
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Right I get that, just wondering if you ran into a similar problem or not
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Right I get that, just wondering if you ran into a similar problem or not

Not entirely but after a couple of calibrations (I usually do them a few times on each display to get used to the ins/outs of each set) I ended up doing it the old way and using the main Color control to set Y for Red (which ended up at a -5).

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Anyone have an idea of how long these will remain in stock at reasonable pricing? I am seriously considering moving to this display from a front projection setup, but the cost leap would be huge from my epson hc 8100 to this after selling. However I don't want to miss out on the end of model year pricing..... also, anyone go from 84 inch or higher fp to this sort of set? Was it a nice change?

Finally, I have an older receiver that doesn't have a lip synchronous delay adjustment.... am I going to be in trouble if using hdmi video with an optical from the device (not Tv) going to the receiver?
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I have been streaming vid files and on-line video (Flash) from my PC using input 1 and game mode. So far no sync issues, but still too early yet to be definitive.

On another note: any good calibration settings other than game mode?
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I have been streaming vid files and on-line video (Flash) from my PC using input 1 and game mode. So far no sync issues, but still too early yet to be definitive.

On another note: any good calibration settings other than game mode?

Thanks, that's helpful... I could spring for a new receiver after if I had to but I'd prefer not to since my current one serves my other needs fine. I think I'll give it a shot if I go for the set, before looking at a different receiver.
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(Thanks Jason!)

Try as I might, I just could not get the picture to look right. Too dark, too light, washed out, too red etc. This was on the "user" mode.

Then, I re-read the postings, and switched to "game" mode. What a difference. It's actually a real pleasure to watch now... more tweaking I'm sure, but for me, a great starting point:

Game Mode
OPC: off
BACKLIGHT: +5
CONTRAST: +30
BRIGHTNESS: -5
COLOR: -8
TINT: +3
SHARPNESS: +2
CMS HUE/SAT/VALUE: (default)
COLOR TEMP: low
MOTION ENH: off
ACTIVE CONT: on
GAMMA: -2
FILM MODE: off
DIG NOISE: off

The above works for me - you may, or may not, have the same results.

Good luck!

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(Thanks Jason!)

Try as I might, I just could not get the picture to look right. Too dark, too light, washed out, too red etc. This was on the "user" mode.

Then, I re-read the postings, and switched to "game" mode. What a difference. It's actually a real pleasure to watch now... more tweaking I'm sure, but for me, a great starting point:

Game Mode
OPC: off
BACKLIGHT: +5
CONTRAST: +30
BRIGHTNESS: -5
COLOR: -8
TINT: +3
SHARPNESS: +2
CMS HUE/SAT/VALUE: (default)
COLOR TEMP: low
MOTION ENH: off
ACTIVE CONT: on
GAMMA: -2
FILM MODE: off
DIG NOISE: off

The above works for me - you may, or may not, have the same results.

Good luck!

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No problem Tom (glad to help), did you try my calibrated settings?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=147

I have feedback from users across all sizes of the 632 that say they are very pleased with the end result. Obviously these will not be perfect on every 632 due to tolerance variables set to set but they should be superior to out of the box and what can be done with a calibration disc. Of course it is certainly possible they may not work for you since I can tell that your settings would result in an extremely dark image on my 60LE632 with no shadow detail/crushed blacks due to a -5 on brightness (plus Active Contrast On & Gamma -2) and too much ringing/ee due to a +2 on sharpness. It is possible there are some different internal components in use here but good to see more people giving Game mode a chance.

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No problem Tom (glad to help), did you try my calibrated settings?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=147

I have feedback from users across all sizes of the 632 that say they are very pleased with the end result. Obviously these will not be perfect on every 632 due to tolerance variables set to set but they should be superior to out of the box and what can be done with a calibration disc. Of course it is certainly possible they may not work for you since I can tell that your settings would result in an extremely dark image on my 60LE632 with no shadow detail/crushed blacks due to a -5 on brightness (plus Active Contrast On & Gamma -2) and too much ringing/ee due to a +2 on sharpness. It is possible there are some different internal components in use here but good to see more people giving Game mode a chance.

Jason

I have to try this, though I'm very pleased with my current self-calibrated (with WOW) settings. But it sounds compelling...
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Just picked up this tv from Best Buy last night. Put in Jason's settings, then used WOW to adjust the contrast and brightness to my tv. I was worried at first, coming from a 3-year old plasma, but the colors look amazing, and looks to have slightly better blacks. Very happy with my purchase.

Jason, Thanks for the settings.
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I hate to be a pest...but I'm confused with all the settings posted.

Are there any calibrated settings for film or user mode? I like a bit of 120 HZ once in a while...
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I hate to be a pest...but I'm confused with all the settings posted.

Are there any calibrated settings for film or user mode? I like a bit of 120 HZ once in a while...

I've got WOW Basic and WOW Advanced calibrated settings earlier in this thread, both in Film mode. Since then, I've turned Motion Enhancement on to Low, and like it.

That said, I want to try Jason's Game settings, to see if I notice any difference/improvement.

I am very happy with my 632!
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Just picked up this tv from Best Buy last night. Put in Jason's settings, then used WOW to adjust the contrast and brightness to my tv. I was worried at first, coming from a 3-year old plasma, but the colors look amazing, and looks to have slightly better blacks. Very happy with my purchase.

Jason, Thanks for the settings.

You're welcome, glad they worked for you.
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No problem Tom (glad to help), did you try my calibrated settings?

Yes... tried them, but again, all of them looked both super bright and very red.

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Of course it is certainly possible they may not work for you since I can tell that your settings would result in an extremely dark image on my 60LE632 with no shadow detail/crushed blacks due to a -5 on brightness (plus Active Contrast On & Gamma -2) and too much ringing/ee due to a +2 on sharpness. It is possible there are some different internal components in use here but good to see more people giving Game mode a chance.

I think we're seeing a pattern... You're on a 60", mine is a 70".

Is it possible that design changes between these two are throwing the calibration off that much between them?

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Tom,

I don't think it has so much to do with the size as 60", 70" & 80" 632 owners have used the settings with good results. I think what we may be seeing here is actually different internal components in use (just an assumption based upon the differences).

Then again it is also possible your eyes are simply not used to a 6500k image, when people are accustomed to a blue pushed image 6500k will always look reddish until your eyes adjust. Your settings with Contrast at +30 and Backlight at +5 should actually give you over 40 ftL where as my settings are right at 40 ftL (so your settings should be brighter at white than mine).

Are you sure you are not crushing your blacks? (that -5 is the lowest brightness setting I have seen posted, most are at 0 or +1)

Are you on the latest firmware?

Are your settings for blu ray or for television viewing?

If the differences are truly this drastic then it appears some internal component changes are possible. Maybe build dates would give some more insight.

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OK, Jason...just calibrated with your settings. Some quick observations off the top:
1. Seems to be a slightly "darker" image
2. Seems to be a slightly "softer" image
3. Seems to be a slightly "warmer" (blue-er?) image

One thing I had noticed previously with my settings, was that some images/people, in particular news anchors on newscasts, looked too "reddish". I'll be watching to see how these look now.

Edit: Here are my previous, WOW-calibrated settings: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=418

Thanks again for all your work!

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Tom,

I don't think it has so much to do with the size as 60", 70" & 80" 632 owners have used the settings with good results. I think what we may be seeing here is actually different internal components in use (just an assumption based upon the differences).

Then again it is also possible your eyes are simply not used to a 6500k image, when people are accustomed to a blue pushed image 6500k will always look reddish until your eyes adjust. Your settings with Contrast at +30 and Backlight at +5 should actually give you over 40 ftL where as my settings are right at 40 ftL (so your settings should be brighter at white than mine).

Are you sure you are not crushing your blacks? (that -5 is the lowest brightness setting I have seen posted, most are at 0 or +1)

Are you on the latest firmware?

Are your settings for blu ray or for television viewing?

If the differences are truly this drastic then it appears some internal component changes are possible. Maybe build dates would give some more insight.

Jason

Ah yes...

I used your settings, plus the adjustments for more "pop", and frankly, you were correct. I was missing the content, detail and truism (if I can say that).

It now looks more natural... and frankly, less strain on the eyes since the whites are no longer blinding...

Btw, am using DTV off the air, several HD channels. Have not yet watched a BD, but will eventually.

Also, where do I find the build date, and, if I'm up on the firmware version?

Once again, thanks!

--Tom
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Walt,

When I use your settings I get an extremely blue pushed image, so there may very well be different internal components in use (?).

Medium color temp is so blue on my set that boosting the color setting to +7 just makes for an awful mess with the colors (quick test with color gradients show 3 of the 6 to be overblown). Also a +2 Sharpness on my set adds too much ringing/ee to the image, I find that a +2 is not always too much for broadcast tv but it is too much for blu ray/gaming/pc.

I will graph your settings later to see how they come out but if I had to guess they are going to be above 8500k and well outside of D65 on my 60LE632.

So maybe we have discovered some drastic internal variables here...

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Ah yes...

I used your settings, plus the adjustments for more "pop", and frankly, you were correct. I was missing the content, detail and truism (if I can say that).

It now looks more natural... and frankly, less strain on the eyes since the whites are no longer blinding...

Btw, am using DTV off the air, several HD channels. Have not yet watched a BD, but will eventually.

Also, where do I find the build date, and, if I'm up on the firmware version?

Once again, thanks!

--Tom

For broadcast tv the settings will possibly be different since there are so many source variables (meaning vs. blu ray/gaming/pc use).

I checked the back of my set and don't see a build date, I thought I had seen it previously but maybe I was thinking of another set.

The latest firmware is 310U1110111, at least that is what it is for the 60LE632 and I think all the 632's use the same firmware (could be mistaken however). If you go to information/identification you will see the firmware, once the set is connected to the net you can update online if you wish (can also be done via usb if you download the firmware).

* Yep the 70" uses the same firmware... http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/Home...C70LE632U.aspx

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Walt,

When I use your settings I get an extremely blue pushed image, so there may very well be different internal components in use (?).

Medium color temp is so blue on my set that boosting the color setting to +7 just makes for an awful mess with the colors (quick test with color gradients show 3 of the 6 to be overblown). Also a +2 Sharpness on my set adds too much ringing/ee to the image, I find that a +2 is not always too much for broadcast tv but it is too much for blu ray/gaming/pc.

I will graph your settings later to see how they come out but if I had to guess they are going to be above 8500k and well outside of D65 on my 60LE632.

So maybe we have discovered some drastic internal variables here...

Jason

You got me...

I went back to my posted settings. Yours left my picture looking very washed out, drained of color, and dim. The "reds" were definitely leached out, and everything seemed more bluish/greyish...

Not quibbling at all with the veracity of your settings; it's just that they definitely don't seem to work well on my panel...

I'll monkey around some more; see what I can come up with...

And again; I'm very happy with my settings and PQ...
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