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post #31 of 360 Old 01-07-2012, 01:51 PM
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The black levels look good. After setting it up, I came home to my 4-year-old 42" Philips LCD and looked at the grayish matte bars and got sad and that's a decent-looking set.

I have some faint clouds which are only visible during credits with white text on black or when it's switching inputs before the signal comes through. On extremely dark material, like the last Harry Potter movie, their was some minor clouding visible, but the bars remained solid black and there is no flashlighting. My girlfriend thinks I'm nitpicking and for 99% of the time, the clouds aren't visible. Compared to my old set, it's the least of its problems and I'm not going to have a cow over it.

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i have read the amazon reviews, however i think most of them are from joe 6 packs and while it does get good reviews i dont rely heavily on them. i worry about clouding and light bleed and flashlighting mostly and that demographic wouldnt know clouding if they saw it and wouldnt care anyway.

i am a plasma guy but im on my 4th plasma in 3 months because all of the manufactures are having issues with plasmas this year that are truly defects.

i am prolly gonna get the 60 632 and try it out, amazon has been great with me so far but if i try to return another display i dont what they will do.

These are the same issues that I am concerned about. I will be keeping an eye out to see if and when you try this set. Amazon is not picking up my ST30 until Wednesday, and I don't know how long it will take to credit my account so you will most likely get yours before me. I am still torn on trying this set, the cheaper 79U or getting the top LG Plasma the PZ950. I just tried Uncharted 3 on my PZ450 and being that I played most of the game on the ST30, I don't think I am going to be able to accept these black levels.....
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These are the same issues that I am concerned about. I will be keeping an eye out to see if and when you try this set. Amazon is not picking up my ST30 until Wednesday, and I don't know how long it will take to credit my account so you will most likely get yours before me. I am still torn on trying this set, the cheaper 79U or getting the top LG Plasma the PZ950. I just tried Uncharted 3 on my PZ450 and being that I played most of the game on the ST30, I don't think I am going to be able to accept these black levels.....

the pz 950 also has the color flicker and i dont think the blacks are that much better than the 450? i also am worried about the blacks on the 632, if they are just a tad better than the 450 i will be ok with that.

i will be making my final decision on tuesday so i might not get it before you. you should ask for a advanced refund from amazon, they will give it to you if you call. what it means is that they will credit you when the returned tv gets loaded on the delivery truck, the next day you should see a credit to your account.
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the pz 950 also has the color flicker and i dont think the blacks are that much better than the 450? i also am worried about the blacks on the 632, if they are just a tad better than the 450 i will be ok with that.

i will be making my final decision on tuesday so i might not get it before you. you should ask for a advanced refund from amazon, they will give it to you if you call. what it means is that they will credit you when the returned tv gets loaded on the delivery truck, the next day you should see a credit to your account.

Hmm, I might have to try that with Amazon. Yeah, I just read over in the LG tweaks thread that someone adjusted the pots on the 750 and is not impressed with the MLL, so I don't think the 950 will be much better..... I agree, if I can get slightly better blacks than the 450 and minimal clouding I am really leaning toward LCD again, won't have to worry about IR, will be brighter for daytime and might even save a little on the electric bill.....I really wish someone had a MLL measurement for this set!
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Hmm, I might have to try that with Amazon. Yeah, I just read over in the LG tweaks thread that someone adjusted the pots on the 750 and is not impressed with the MLL, so I don't think the 950 will be much better..... I agree, if I can get slightly better blacks than the 450 and minimal clouding I am really leaning toward LCD again, won't have to worry about IR, will be brighter for daytime and might even save a little on the electric bill.....I really wish someone had a MLL measurement for this set!

me too, wish i knew what this set MLL was.

another thing i have not read about is shadow detail on this set, i value shadow detail and i know a lot of LCD's turn shadow detail into a black blob mess....

in the end i will prolly get this sit, hope it works out well for me as this will be #6 for me in the last 3 months.
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me too, wish i knew what this set MLL was.

another thing i have not read about is shadow detail on this set, i value shadow detail and i know a lot of LCD's turn shadow detail into a black blob mess....

in the end i will prolly get this sit, hope it works out well for me as this will be #6 for me in the last 3 months.

I know that is crazy. Hopefully the 632 will be your last set. It just goes to show how the quality of sets has really gone down hill the last couple of years in my opinion. I did not expect the issues that I had from Panasonic........very disappointed. My Sony 52 inch Z5100 has pretty good MLL for a 3 year old set, but yes it does lose detail in dark areas. I hate to say it, but its one trade off for another.....and the ST30 is going to be hard to match in that respect, the shadow detail blew me away.
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A properly calibrated 632 should impress both of you regarding BL and shadow detail (hopefully you get units with little clouding/flash-lighting).

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A properly calibrated 632 should impress both of you regarding BL and shadow detail (hopefully you get units with little clouding/flash-lighting).

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Well thats good news, the more I keep researching the more I want to give this set a shot!
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Well thats good news, the more I keep researching the more I want to give this set a shot!

im 90% sure that i am going to get this set. im excited, anxious and worried at the same time. if i get one that doesnt have bad clouding, flashlighting i think i will like it.

besides the pink tint issue i have on the panny plasma, i have not been totally satisfied with the total brightness of it, it is rather dim even in my dark room, bright sunny days in movies look overcast.

wont be able to order it for about a week, wish me luck!
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im 90% sure that i am going to get this set. im excited, anxious and worried at the same time. if i get one that doesnt have bad clouding, flashlighting i think i will like it.

besides the pink tint issue i have on the panny plasma, i have not been totally satisfied with the total brightness of it, it is rather dim even in my dark room, bright sunny days in movies look overcast.

wont be able to order it for about a week, wish me luck!

I loved the black level of the Panny and thought the overall picture was great, however, I ended up dealing with less accurate color because I had to use MID panel brightness, it was just too dim for daytime viewing, even with the blinds closed. Although, I did find that it calibrated very well using HDMI graphics. But the pink/green tint, IR and buzzing on a black screen was too much for me. Now I am watching my PV450 again and I really see the FBR that you were talking about while watching 24p material. And if the FBR is present on the PZ950 as well......that set is out too.

So, I think that I am going for this set for sure, once I get my Amazon return squared away. Hopefully I don't get bad clouding either, that is the main concern for me other than black level.
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the pz 950 also has the color flicker and i dont think the blacks are that much better than the 450? i also am worried about the blacks on the 632, if they are just a tad better than the 450 i will be ok with that.

i will be making my final decision on tuesday so i might not get it before you. you should ask for a advanced refund from amazon, they will give it to you if you call. what it means is that they will credit you when the returned tv gets loaded on the delivery truck, the next day you should see a credit to your account.

Thanks again for the heads up regarding Amazon Mark. I called this morning, and all I need to do is call back once the return is confirmed on the truck and I will get the refund credited. Really looking forward to giving this 632 a shot, hopefully it works out!
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Thanks again for the heads up regarding Amazon Mark. I called this morning, and all I need to do is call back once the return is confirmed on the truck and I will get the refund credited. Really looking forward to giving this 632 a shot, hopefully it works out!

no problem!

funny thing is i didnt see the color flicker on 24p blu ray, but on dvd and dish it was awful. it didnt happen all the time but i could always count on it with football.

ive been doing some searching and the LG's MLL was between .02-.04., the sharps that i find reviews on that are similar are around .01, that aint too bad, but nowhere close the the panny but better than the LG. also i noticed that all the sharp 60" sets are edge lit and all of them get good reviews on amazon, but cnet has trashed a couple of the sharps, dont remember which ones but one was a high end 70".

i need to call amazons large items dept today, i dont want to wait until they call me tuesday, but i hate doing that because i will get someone different and have to explain everything all over again.

im excited about this 632, but after all ive been thru with getting something im happy with, itll be my luck ill get a bad one.. lol...
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no problem!

funny thing is i didnt see the color flicker on 24p blu ray, but on dvd and dish it was awful. it didnt happen all the time but i could always count on it with football.

ive been doing some searching and the LG's MLL was between .02-.04., the sharps that i find reviews on that are similar are around .01, that aint too bad, but nowhere close the the panny but better than the LG. also i noticed that all the sharp 60" sets are edge lit and all of them get good reviews on amazon, but cnet has trashed a couple of the sharps, dont remember which ones but one was a high end 70".

i need to call amazons large items dept today, i dont want to wait until they call me tuesday, but i hate doing that because i will get someone different and have to explain everything all over again.

im excited about this 632, but after all ive been thru with getting something im happy with, itll be my luck ill get a bad one.. lol...

Hmmm, interesting on the MLL ratings. Where did you happen to find the numbers on the Sharp? Only guessing, but after the pots tweak I would think that my LG is closer to .009, but that would be a slim margin compared to the Sharp with the numbers you found.

It was horrible watching X Men last night, the brightness fluctuations never seemed to stop!

Hopefully you get this all worked out soon!

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Hmmm, interesting on the MLL ratings. Where did you happen to find the numbers on the Sharp? Only guessing, but after the pots tweak I would think that my LG is closer to .009, but that would be a slim margin compared to the Sharp with the numbers you found.

It was horrible watching X Men last night, the brightness fluctuations never seemed to stop!

Hopefully you get this all worked out soon!

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well it is official i called amazon and they are picking up the ST, as soon as i get a refund i will put the order in for the 632. i am looking forward to it having more POP and if the black levels are a little better than the LG i am good with that, oh also worried about shadow detail but chads reviews seem positive, altho not for this exact size and/or model, it seems sharp as its shite together and is a big find that most seem to shun...

i found the MLL for the sharps at cnet and chadB's reviews, chads reviews were for the 80 632 and the 70 732 or 735 something like that. the reason i put a little faith into the numbers is because they are all .01 for all of them or a little better. just a note the pots tweak created other problems for me, ex. i put up a gray slide and the uniformity was terrible.

i love the blacks on the ST, ive never seen black like that, so inky, so i hope it hasnt jaded me. but now i just look for pink, which isnt really that bad and maybe im being to picky, but be damned i want something that i have piece of mind with.
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DaGamePimp, does this 632 not handle 24p properly? seems being a 120Hz set it would handle 24p. not questioning you, just asking since you seem to know your stuff.
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I tested 24 & 60 hz refresh rates via my PC, Sony S580, LG590 & PS3 and 60 hz was the least offensive regarding judder no matter the Motion setting in use (tested high, low & off, I now leave it off). Horizontal and Vertical pans were a mess with 24 Hz enabled (compared to 60 Hz).

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well it is official i called amazon and they are picking up the ST, as soon as i get a refund i will put the order in for the 632. i am looking forward to it having more POP and if the black levels are a little better than the LG i am good with that, oh also worried about shadow detail but chads reviews seem positive, altho not for this exact size and/or model, it seems sharp as its shite together and is a big find that most seem to shun...

i found the MLL for the sharps at cnet and chadB's reviews, chads reviews were for the 80 632 and the 70 732 or 735 something like that. the reason i put a little faith into the numbers is because they are all .01 for all of them or a little better. just a note the pots tweak created other problems for me, ex. i put up a gray slide and the uniformity was terrible.

i love the blacks on the ST, ive never seen black like that, so inky, so i hope it hasnt jaded me. but now i just look for pink, which isnt really that bad and maybe im being to picky, but be damned i want something that i have piece of mind with.

Great news! Glad Amazon is taking care of you! Hopefully this will be your last set for awhile! Thanks for the MLL info.
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On the first page of this thread, settings were linked from 633 calibration thread, which I believe is the same set as the 632, just with 240hz. In that thread there is mention of lip sync issues when people are running audio from receivers and not the set. Has anyone had lip sync issues with the 632? That would certainly be a deal breaker for me, that is one problem that I can't overlook.

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No sync issues here but then I am using Game mode. I can see how having all the 'processing' enabled could cause sync issues.

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No sync issues here but then I am using Game mode. I can see how having all the 'processing' enabled could cause sync issues.

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Thanks. Still makes me a little nervous that you report the best image/performance with game mode. Don't get me wrong, I understand why you have done it, but it really makes me question the processing of this set. I have a 2 year old Sony 240hz LCD and have most enhancements off, but I can use it with a 24p source in standard or theater mode, and pans are smooth with no S.O.E and no lip sync issues.......looks almost as good as either recent plasma that I have.
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DaGamePimp, does this 632 not handle 24p properly? seems being a 120Hz set it would handle 24p. not questioning you, just asking since you seem to know your stuff.

This makes me a little nervous as well Mark, just responded about this. You may actually get your 632 before me, because I am still on the fence about what to do. I posted over in the plasma thread regarding the FBR issue on the LG, and what I am seeing may not be the FBR that you were talking about. If this is the case, I may still just keep the 450, or look into the 950. Then again, I am starting to get more curious about CES to see whats coming in a few months. I have an LG 47 inch 5300 that I am pretty happy with even though its a lower end LG. However, it does have local dimming, so if they release a similar set in a 60 inch version this year, I might wait for it.....
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This makes me a little nervous as well Mark, just responded about this. You may actually get your 632 before me, because I am still on the fence about what to do. I posted over in the plasma thread regarding the FBR issue on the LG, and what I am seeing may not be the FBR that you were talking about. If this is the case, I may still just keep the 450, or look into the 950. Then again, I am starting to get more curious about CES to see whats coming in a few months. I have an LG 47 inch 5300 that I am pretty happy with even though its a lower end LG. However, it does have local dimming, so if they release a similar set in a 60 inch version this year, I might wait for it.....

good news for me, they are picking up my ST Wed. so i i hope i have the refund the next day. then i am going to order it.

i PMed ChadB last night and he said that the 60" compares well to the 80", you can read his review over at the other site..hidef... if you havent read it he gives it a raving review...

yeah, i think that what you are seeing on the LG is different than what i had.
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I don't want people to buy this set based upon my comments, please do your research, I am just trying to answer questions and give my (overly critical*) impressions.

* I see things that most people do not notice until pointed out and even some things that many do not see after pointed out, years of CRT front projection/calibration did this to my eyes (I see every little flaw).

There are trade-off's with every set out there, even the mighty Kuro was not flawless. As we have learned getting a solid set can be luck of the draw and beyond that we all see things a bit different and place value on different aspects/qualities of an image.

With that said I wish those of you considering the 60LE632 the best of luck.

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I don't want people to buy this set based upon my comments, please do your research, I am just trying to answer questions and give my (overly critical*) impressions.

* I see things that most people do not notice until pointed out and even some things that many do not see after pointed out, years of CRT front projection/calibration did this to my eyes (I see every little flaw).

There are trade-off's with every set out there, even the mighty Kuro was not flawless. As we have learned getting a solid set can be luck of the draw and beyond that we all see things a bit different and place value on different aspects/qualities of an image.

With that said I wish those of you considering the 60LE632 the best of luck.

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i have not owned what you have, but i do have a critical eye, that is why i tried to buy a plasma. i have owned both lcd and plasma, but the last lcd i owned was 4 years ago. so i have my reservations buying this but i am going to try it. i take all that i read and put it all together to make my final decision. seeing that you have critical eye helps, but ChadB's comments combined with yours and reading the joe 6 packs reviews on amazon and BB make me believe that this is a very good display if i get a good one.

i have totally run out of options with plasmas so i dont have choice... LG= color flicker, samsung= brightness pops, panasonic= poor uniformity...pink tinting, green blobs, and a rather dim picture for my taste, makes bright sunny days in movies look overcast.

ive spent many of hours reading this board and others, several hundred hours....

so i really, really hope i get a good one. i read that there may be a way to get rid of the the clouding if mine has it.
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i have not owned what you have, but i do have a critical eye, that is why i tried to buy a plasma. i have owned both lcd and plasma, but the last lcd i owned was 4 years ago. so i have my reservations buying this but i am going to try it. i take all that i read and put it all together to make my final decision. seeing that you have critical eye helps, but ChadB's comments combined with yours and reading the joe 6 packs reviews on amazon and BB make me believe that this is a very good display if i get a good one.

i have totally run out of options with plasmas so i dont have choice... LG= color flicker, samsung= brightness pops, panasonic= poor uniformity...pink tinting, green blobs, and a rather dim picture for my taste, makes bright sunny days in movies look overcast.

ive spent many of hours reading this board and others, several hundred hours....

so i really, really hope i get a good one. i read that there may be a way to get rid of the the clouding if mine has it.

Still really leaning toward giving this set a shot as well. I have narrowed my choices down to this set and the LG PZ950 plasma, however, the more I read on that thread the more I think it has too many issues..... I also just went through the CES info, and nothing really amazed me, or is pressing me to wait for the 2012 models......at least in the 60 inch segment.

I am going to be out of town quite a bit this month for work, so you will most likely get your set well before me. I look forward to your impressions, especially coming from the exact same plasmas that I would be comparing it too!
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Still really leaning toward giving this set a shot as well. I have narrowed my choices down to this set and the LG PZ950 plasma, however, the more I read on that thread the more I think it has too many issues..... I also just went through the CES info, and nothing really amazed me, or is pressing me to wait for the 2012 models......at least in the 60 inch segment.

I am going to be out of town quite a bit this month for work, so you will most likely get your set well before me. I look forward to your impressions, especially coming from the exact same plasmas that I would be comparing it too!


i should have it by the end of next week.

also ChadB told me it has great blacks... he said the one he calibrated had clouding but before he arrived to calibrate the set the owner "wiped" the screen and when he saw it it had no clouding. so if you havent read his review of the 80" do so, he said the review applies to the 60" too, he really has nothing bad to say about it after calibrated, except for it was a little grainy. he said it was a winner, high praise from him...

i wouldnt touch the pz950 with a ten foot pole.

i want to this saga to be over with, ill pray to the sharp gods....
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I've had 632 for about a month and pretty happy with it. I got 6300U first for $900 on BF but had to return it because it lacks any color adjustments from the user menu. I decided to give 632 a try and don't regret extra $300 I had to spend on it. Calibrations posted for 633 didn't work well for me and produced people with clay like faces, so I tweaked it myself to my liking. It is still not perfect but I'll get there eventually. Out of the box it had minor clouding but it went away by itself in a couple of weeks. BTW 6300U that I had, was very cloudy and clouds were really noticeable during dark scenes. I noticed prices pretty much the same everywhere on 632 now. There is 10% Discover card cashback at Sears now with free delivery.
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he said the one he calibrated had clouding but before he arrived to calibrate the set the owner "wiped" the screen and when he saw it it had no clouding. so if you havent read his review of the 80" do so, he said the review applies to the 60" too

1. What does "wiped the screen" mean?

B. The 80" (and 70", I think) have different lighting systems, I believe. 60" is edge-lit; 70"+ are full array or local dimming; one or the other.

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Calibrations posted for 633 didn't work well for me and produced people with clay like faces, so I tweaked it myself to my liking.

I found that the settings posted by josay in the 633 thread gave sickly clay face until I zeroed out the Color and Tint controls to 0 from the +7 and -7 he had them at. I'm finding skintones, especially on news/talk shows to be much healthier.
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I found that the settings posted by josay in the 633 thread gave sickly clay face until I zeroed out the Color and Tint controls to 0 from the +7 and -7 he had them at. I'm finding skintones, especially on news/talk shows to be much healthier.

When I used Josay's settings, Color and Tint couldn't correct it well enough, colors were completely off, especially flesh tones. Hue/tint is the trickiest control on this TV, I'd rather leave it alone, specifically fine controls. I had better colors with out of the box "Standard" mode.
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1. What does "wiped the screen" mean?

you can do a search, but basically you take a micro cloth and put pressure on the screen a wipe towards the side. another way to try to get rid of the clouding is to loosen the screws on the back panel or something like that to relieve pressure on the screen. dont just do this, read up on it first.
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