Originally Posted by DirkBelig
Whoa! I could barely finish reading this because I had to keep ducking as you swung your huge [insert favored slang here] around. Talk about a "borderline offensive post"! Perhaps if you could get over yourself, Cliff Clavin, you could explain to us people whom you ASSume aren't "video purists" how the math works?
Films are shot at 24 fps which is 24 Hz. Sorry if this offends you, but this is a fact. If a Blu-ray outputs 24 Hz, why would it be better to chose the single refresh rate that doesn't divide equally?!? 24 Hz means each frame is displayed once; 120 Hz means five times per frame; 240 Hz = 10X; 600 Hz = 25X. The only refresh rate that doesn't divide equally is 60 Hz. 60/24=2.5 or halfway between 2 and 3 times per second. What to do? Oh yeah, that's right, use 3:2 pulldown and show one frame three times and the next one twice then the next one three times and then show the next one twice; rinse; repeat. Why, oh sage overlord to us puny humans, should we use the one rate that causes cadenced playback instead of something that divides evenly? If 24 Hz is so inferior, why is it an option on better players; something not everything has like progressive scan wasn't universal a decade ago.
The fact that you are calling SOE (i.e. soap opera effect) - which REAL AV purists consider a defect - a "marketing" point really calls into question your litany of abuse. What does lag have to do with watching movies? Playing games? Sure. Watching movies? Not in the least. I can't stand SOE and thought that was endemic to 120 Hz before I learned it was from garbage like "Film Mode" (which I've turned off) and whatnot. I want my movies to look like the filmmakers intended, NOT looking like hi-def video. Even my girlfriend, who used to say she couldn't tell the difference between DVD and Blu-ray (she has bad eyes) can spot the SOE on the VCR's input because I haven't gone in and adjusted that input yet.
I know you're too busy preening and whipping your manhood over your shoulder to prevent tripping over it, but how about trying to be helpful and explain how 2.5:1 is better than 1:1 playback? How about suggesting demo material that will allow us mere mortals to attempt to see what your more highly evolved eyes see? We get it; you're so much better than all of us; but couldn't you be a mensch and throw us a line here so we can at least get onto the foothills beneath your towering mountain of awesomeness? We'd appreciate it. Thanks.
LOL, I'm sure you thought that would come across really amusing and somehow give you some AVS credit (for what I have no idea) but now you just ended up looking very foolish and out for some sort of childish internet revenge.
First you are way off here, you are taking everything that I stated and pushing it over the top and out of context to suit your agenda. Please notice that nobody else responded in such a manner, maybe they realized I was only trying to offer my own experience with this specific display and simply being helpful.
You are talking in generalizations and I am talking about a particular display (the 60LE632) and how it performs. Please actually show me where I stated any of the things that you actually attempted to discredit me for saying...?
Please show me where I stated 24Hz should not be used on a display that handles it properly, last time I checked this was a specific 60LE632 thread (and my findings are that it does not handle 24 Hz better than 60 Hz, have you tested it in all modes via multiple sources as I have)?
If you truly think SOE and fake 120Hz are not marketing tools then I do not know what to say as those are very obvious offenders. To simply call SOE a 'defect' is way off base as it is most certainly another intended 'feature' used for marketing to entice more consumers to buy the latest gear. There is nothing defective about SOE, it functions as intended on most displays, video purists simply choose not to use it. Would any set that offers SOE as part of its feature set be considered a 'defect', I hardly think so.
I spent hours and hours testing almost every aspect of the 60LE632 over the course of many weeks, I would not speak out of turn had I not done so, and I also happen to know a thing or two regarding AV. Your jabs at attempting to discredit my knowledge/experience are very misguided and hopefully you'll realize that soon enough before you attempt more immature flaming. My claims of seeing more than most has nothing to do with my manhood
, I have better than 20/20 and my eyes are instantly drawn to every flaw. Sorry if this somehow bothers you, it was not my intent and I actually think of it as a curse not a bonus, it's much less entertaining when you have eyes like mine.
The attitude of your post is so full of irony that it is laughable, please just let it go for the sake of the thread and accept your initial response to me was borderline offensive and totally unwarranted in relation to what I stated as nothing more than a helpful suggestion/opinion based upon my experience with this particular display. Had you asked for a more detailed explanation of my findings in a civil manner I would have been happy to share that information, obviously you were far from being civil (spewing out personal attacks and calling people names is strictly against AVS policy).
If you were offended by my comment that you simply may not be a videophile then please notice that I stated "if you like" and "if you are", I did not just "ASSume" as you so rudely put it. However please allow me to apologize just the same, I am sorry.
I will not report your overly offensive post as long as you can see fit to remain civil from here forward (so if you end up being reported please realize it was not me that did so).
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