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I know most do not like this effect on theirs personally but I have grown to love it since the wife told me that the only way I can get a new one would be for it to have this unreal characteristic about it. Anyways I am looking at two displays in paticular and they are the samsung 65" d8000 and the sharp 70" 735 series. Which one would do a better job at creating this effect and what would look almost to unreal more?
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Quantum Physics aside, the world we see moves smoothly, just like in soap opera, not like movie shot at 24FPS, so I would argue which one is more realistic and which one is the "unreal" one. I believe neither one would disappoint, so it would be more of personal preference and maybe price.
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fwiw, I also like the soap opera effect... it looks more "real" to me.

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Quantum Physics aside, reality is apparently an illusion.
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I have seen the 65" d8000 and I really like the soap opera effect on that set however have yet to see the 735 series with it set up so I was curious if it could do the same job as samsungs does. And yes I am dead serious I have grown to love the effect personal opinion and taste.
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fwiw, I also like the soap opera effect... it looks more "real" to me.




... and don't call me shirley.

I would have been REALLY disappointed if someone hadn't said that.
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I would not even consider a set that can not diliver the sope opera effect. The best thing since HD
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I guess if I am not wrong, any set that produces 120hz or 240hz will give your soap opera effect??
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THANK YOU!! The so-called "soap opera effect" is far more indicative of the way things move in reality than the much revered 24fps aesthetic. The consumer by virtue of his patronage should reserve the right to augment his dish with whatever seasoning (soap opera effect, artificial sharpening or any other post-production embellishments) he sees fit, irrespective of "artistic intent". Very little of what is offered in cinema can be called artistic. Besides, art is only produced to satisfy the muse of its creator; "art" made for coin is not art, but entertainment, because it is dependent upon the critic's appreciation.
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Yes. 120 or 240 will give the effect but it is more profound with 240. My Samsung B8500 does 240. When I watched my father's set limited to and set at 120 (and my sister's set, also limited and set to 120frame interpolation) it seemed as if something was amiss. After watching his set at his house, then going home and watching mine (always set to Smooth) the difference is pronounced!
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I too am a fan of the soap opera affect,,,, on my 70" Sharp its not as pronounced as I would like it to be but my Sharp is the 120hz model.

On my (recently sold) Vizio 55" 240hz panel is was more to my liking.

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Gag me. I literally cannot watch that kind of image without turning away in disgust. What it does to movies, especially, ought to be a crime.
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To each his or her own. I cannot watch tv without the 240hz effect, and all subsequent sets will be purchased in accordance with this parameter.
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I can't stop laughing whenever soap opera effect is turned on. Makes everything look like someone's home video.
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Well the good thing is in most case's the SOA can be turned on or off or adjusted to the viewers liking, I personaly like SOA,,,some dont,,,, there is no right or wrong,, its just all up to personal taste.

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IMO, what we see on these new TV's has been long awaited. Film is an ancient format, and I just can't see how some people will take their new TV's, which are capable of producing some very realistic (almost scary) images, with incredible clarity, contrast, and most importantly, depth, and dumb down the settings to make everything look like a 50 year old film. Flat and dull. And I've hated motion judder ever since I was a small child, watching movies on the big screen, over forty years ago. I don't care to see older movies "the way they were meant to be seen", which were made using limited technology. Some of the best home viewing experience I get is watching old classic movies with a breath of new life. I end up watching things I normally wouldn't, just to bask in the glory of a more believable viewing experience.

I know it's all subjective, but for me, I want to see things on my TV the way I see things in real life. Bright, sharp, and deep, with no blurring or stuttering. The "film look" is old, and technology is moving forward. We've seen, and embraced, many advancements with the audio soundtracks in movies. It's about time the visuals start to catch up.
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Its hypocritical to adhere to a standard of color that seeks to achieve real world accuracy then eschew an aesthetic that is far more accurate in terms of motion than the 24fps holy grail, which is archaic and in serious need of revamping. I hear that Avatar 2 will be shot at a native 48fps! Finally, a director with the stones to challenge the establishment. Could this be the ushering in of the new regime?
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Gag me. I literally cannot watch that kind of image without turning away in disgust. What it does to movies, especially, ought to be a crime.

I just use it for OTA tv. For movies (DVD-BD) I keep it off.
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To each his or her own. I cannot watch tv without the 240hz effect, and all subsequent sets will be purchased in accordance with this parameter.

120/240hz is separate from the 'soap opera effect.' if the effect is turned off the tv is still running at 120/240hz
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has nothing to do with 120hz or 240hz. if you want it off just go intoadvanced film mode and set it to off if you want it leave film mode set to high.if you dont know what you are talking about best not comment on what you dont know
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There was a lengthy thread a year or so ago regarding just how "real" the SOE is. Not suprisingly opinions differed greatly

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1266403
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Quite the debat I started sorry guys. So does anyone know if the sharp can replicate the SOE as smooth as the samsung I cannot find the 735u in stores to try it out?
P.S. SOE all the way!!!
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has nothing to do with 120hz or 240hz. if you want it off just go intoadvanced film mode and set it to off if you want it leave film mode set to high.if you dont know what you are talking about best not comment on what you dont know

If you turn off motion interpolation on a 120Hz set, there is still a doubling of each 60fps to maintain the cadence. Not exactly the same thing as interpolation (adding frames) but it is still noticeable at times. Oh, and play nice
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Black-and-white is so archaic too. I wish they'd come up with something that would automatically colorize black-and-white movies. Also they need to remake Citizen Kane in 3D starring Tom Cruise.
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there is no right or wrong,, its just all up to personal taste.

There's only ONE "right" way to display a picture- anything else is an alteration. It may be your personal taste, but that doesn't make it right.
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Black-and-white is so archaic too. I wish they'd come up with something that would automatically colorize black-and-white movies. Also they need to remake Citizen Kane in 3D starring Tom Cruise.

Citizen WHO? Just kidding! My wife won't watch any film that's anything older than a few years...not kidding!
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Citizen WHO? Just kidding! My wife won't watch any film that's anything older than a few years...not kidding!

I'm sorry. I grew up in the late 50's onward and my kids love the original B&W movies. Abbot & Costello, It's A Wonderful Life, etc. Anyway, have a nice Holiday
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I'm sorry. I grew up in the late 50's onward and my kids love the original B&W movies. Abbot & Costello, It's A Wonderful Life, etc. Anyway, have a nice Holiday

So did my wife and I. After all, we are in our mid 70's! I just got the Blu-ray version of White Christmas with some of my favorite movie actors in that movie. She just put it down, like...that's not like it can't compete with the new movies. What new movie could compete with talents like Danny Kaye, Bing Crosby, Rosemary Clooney, etc. and Irving Berlin's unforgettable music???????

I guess that's what happens when you get old...wait a minit, what about me???

Have a Merry Christmas, Otto and here's hoping your team will meet my team again in October. This time with a 180 degree result... :-)
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