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I just got back from CES.

LG had the most impressive display I have ever seen at the show. They built a video wall using their passive 3D LCD TVs about 10 high by 30 wide running custom 3D material. It used the passive glasses, of course, which were comfortable and lightwieght, especially considering how inexpensively they were probably made.

People were so impressed, they actually clapped at the end of the clip. Smiles were on everyone's faces. They had all kinds of flyouts from the screen including baseballs, cars, boats, rocks, and more. There was a lot of depth into the screen, too, even with their "universe" scene. The overall look was very 3D, and high quality. I did not see scan lines breaks that you usually see with passive 3D, I presume because they had so many monitors. With the huge size, it was very immersive.

If this didn't sell some people on their passive 3D TV system, I don't know what would.

They also had 3D playing on their three OLED panels. You could see scan lines, but I don't think they were quite as obtrusive as what is seen on the LCDs. Perhaps the pixel structure is a bit tighter. I didn't see any ghosting or flickering. It looked very good.

I think LG proved that 3D can be very entertaining, and with their passive system, the glasses are almost a non-issue.

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Thanks. Did you happen to see the upcoming 4k, 84", 3D set? If so, was there any 3D playing and if so how was it.
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There are some downsides, too:

1. You have to upgrade your blu ray player.
2. You may have to upgrade your receiver.
3. You may have to upgrade your hdmi cables.
4. You obviously have to upgrade your tv.

5. All upgrades cost significantly more than 2d upgrades.

6. Some people get nauseous or get headaches watching 3d.

7. The glasses can be rather bulky.

8. 3d doesn't work as well viewing off center.

9. You have to buy 3d blu ray titles.

10. very little 3d tv programming.

11. no standardardization: active vs. passive.


3d may gain a foothold in 3, 4, or 5 years. Right now demand is low.

I'm sure some tech weenies are totally infatuated but most consumers are not.
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I'm not a 3D doubter, but I am also at, take it or leave it! I just bought my UN55D8000 a couple of days before Christmas and one of the factors for buying a new TV "when I did not need one" was 3D, but mostly because I wanted a 55" TV. I think 3D is pretty cool and really I don't need it, but it is nice to have for that special movie like Avatar or what ever is coming in the future! I am looking forward to OLED which will be my next purchase in a couple of years!
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I'm not a 3D doubter, but I am also at, take it or leave it! I just bought my UN55D8000 a couple of days before Christmas and one of the factors for buying a new TV "when I did not need one" was 3D, but mostly because I wanted a 55" TV. I think 3D is pretty cool and really I don't need it, but it is nice to have for that special movie like Avatar or what ever is coming in the future! I am looking forward to OLED which will be my next purchase in a couple of years!

I'm in the same boat. I just bought a LG LW5600, I was going to get the LE5500 but the price difference was less than $100 and I thought the picture on the 5600 was better. I don't need but its cool to have, won't use it that much I already know that.
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Thanks. Did you happen to see the upcoming 4k, 84", 3D set? If so, was there any 3D playing and if so how was it.

I spent quite some time with the 84" and was very pleased with the picture and 3D. No scan lines at all due to the 4K res. Keep in mind these are edge lit with some sort of local micro dimming going on. They are huge
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Thanks. Did you happen to see the upcoming 4k, 84", 3D set? If so, was there any 3D playing and if so how was it.

Unfortunately, I missed LGs 4K, but I did see one over at Sharp's booth, although not in 3D. Sharp also had an 8K TV. That was really something.

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There are some downsides, too:

6. Some people get nauseous or get headaches watching 3d.

7. The glasses can be rather bulky.

I came away from CES thinking that the physiological effects of 3D are heavily contributed to by the content. The content this year was much higher quality, and I did not feel any weird effects that I had felt in the past.

The glasses LG was handing out for their CES demos completely changed my view of 3D glasses having to be big and bulky. These things were as light as a feather, and you could wear them all day, and even forget you had them on. I thought LG really made their point about the advantage of passive 3D with respect to the glasses.

I think they also made a point, that if you are an occasional 3D user, you don't have to invest in expensive glasses that will be sitting around most of the time.

I have to hand it to LG. While it seemed the other manufacturers pulled back a bit on 3D, LG blew it out of the water. They put on a good show.

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My wife was with me Friday. Her reaction to the LG stuff: "Yeah, that was cool. I still hate 3-D."

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Was the LG 84" on the show floor which is used to only have current products and products whose retail launch in the current year or was itshown in a separate room which is where "Concept Products" are showed?
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My wife was with me Friday. Her reaction to the LG stuff: "Yeah, that was cool. I still hate 3-D."

Rogo, hate is a strong word. Does it bother you physically or do you just not care for it? I don't care for texting, Facebook, Twitter and blogging but I don't hate it. I wish I could have been able to be in Vegas and get into the show to see these sets up close. I remember back in the 90's when the show moved to Chicago but was not open to the general public. I decided that I was going to the show and getting in regardless (lol). I took off work, went down to McCormick Place and walked right in. No one said "hey you" or asked me for credentials. The next year it was open to the public for an entry fee then the following year it was back to Vegas for good.
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Rogo, hate is a strong word. Does it bother you physically or do you just not care for it? I don't care for texting, Facebook, Twitter and blogging but I don't hate it.

I don't understand this "hate" reaction either. I think we need to have some psychologists examine this.

3D is fun for a lot of people. The LG display certainly was. Perhaps they "hate" the fact that other people are having fun.

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Was the LG 84" on the show floor which is used to only have current products and products whose retail launch in the current year or was itshown in a separate room which is where "Concept Products" are showed?

There were two on the show floor.
But I do not think that has anything to mean it is ready for retail.
The LG reps would not give any release date or MSRP.
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So how exactly does one wear 3D glasses if they have prescription glasses? (ie I hate contacts and don't wear them)
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So how exactly does one wear 3D glasses if they have prescription glasses? (ie I hate contacts and don't wear them)

My wife just wears them over her glasses! We have 4 pair of Samsungs, two inferred and two bluetooth and she said they are all fine and comfy!
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My wife was with me Friday. Her reaction to the LG stuff: "Yeah, that was cool. I still hate 3-D."

I think 3D is pretty cool! Like I said I can take it or leave it, but it is nice to have for that one spectacular movie like Avatar and for me the only way to see it is in 3D!
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OK, 3d on a whole wall = cool, 3d on a 50 inch set= not so much......Just my 2 cents.
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Rogo, hate is a strong word. Does it bother you physically or do you just not care for it?

I was quoting my wife. I think hate is the right word since she isn't often hyperbolic. I doubt she and I will discuss this much in the near future, however, we talk about more important things.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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I don't understand this "hate" reaction either. I think we need to have some psychologists examine this.

3D is fun for a lot of people. The LG display certainly was. Perhaps they "hate" the fact that other people are having fun.

My wife, I'm sure, is OK with you having fun.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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So how exactly does one wear 3D glasses if they have prescription glasses? (ie I hate contacts and don't wear them)

Also they make clip-ons.
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The Sharp 8K display was phenomenal. It was 85", and a very limited looped footage roll. But talk about looking through a window! And the clip showing the float from a parade was truly incredible. It was a spectacularly gorgeous and had a real 3D perspective without glasses.

Not sure how knowledgeable the Sharp employees were about the product, but they made it sound like it was not likely to be productized until 2020 due to limited camera equipment and production costs. But when it does, assuming there really is content to watch, I'm all in. Clear difference from 4K.
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So how exactly does one wear 3D glasses if they have prescription glasses? (ie I hate contacts and don't wear them)

LG has the clip on type available.
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having to wearing any type of glasses = FAILURE
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until they solve the multiple 3D convergence issues.....it's never gonna fly

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I can say that I was a 3D doubter until 2 weeks ago, when I stumbled upon a display for the LG 55lw5300 at a Costco. I was really only considering a 2D large screen beforehand, probably a Sony Bravia if I had not seen this LG. Previous to this, had not liked the 3D displays seen in electronic shops up to that point, with the bulky powered glasses and what I saw as poor 2D picture quality. At this time, I did not know about passive 3D, the only displays seen were all active. The lw5300 was amazing! Had to do some quick research on the net about LG and passive 3D, then went back to Costco just before closing and bought this LG bundle on the last day of the post Xmas discounting. Very happy with the LG, have been watching the NFL playoffs all day in sharp & clear 2D. The 2D to 3D conversion also works surprisingly well. The true 3D shows and movies are amazing.

And I am an early HD adopter, having paid $1000 for one of the first Toshiba dvd players with progressive scan. Maybe I will hook it up to the LG on the component vid connection, for the odd nostalgia viewing. BTW, this LG replaces an Hitachi 43" rear projection 4x3 HD set that weighs in at 145 lbs!
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I can say that I was a 3D doubter until 2 weeks ago, when I stumbled upon a display for the LG 55lw5300 at a Costco. I was really only considering a 2D large screen beforehand, probably a Sony Bravia if I had not seen this LG. Previous to this, had not liked the 3D displays seen in electronic shops up to that point, with the bulky powered glasses and what I saw as poor 2D picture quality. At this time, I did not know about passive 3D, the only displays seen were all active. The lw5300 was amazing! Had to do some quick research on the net about LG and passive 3D, then went back to Costco just before closing and bought this LG bundle on the last day of the post Xmas discounting. Very happy with the LG, have been watching the NFL playoffs all day in sharp & clear 2D. The 2D to 3D conversion also works surprisingly well. The true 3D shows and movies are amazing.

And I am an early HD adopter, having paid $1000 for one of the first Toshiba dvd players with progressive scan. Maybe I will hook it up to the LG on the component vid connection, for the odd nostalgia viewing. BTW, this LG replaces an Hitachi 43" rear projection 4x3 HD set that weighs in at 145 lbs!

Wow! You are bringing back memories long forgotten. I had that progressive scan player also.
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Wow! You are bringing back memories long forgotten. I had that progressive scan player also.

yeah, i paid 1500 for the sony flagship progressive scan dvd player way back when, it came with a special edition of MIB...
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The main problem still exists...it's passive. Passive is inferior to active.
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The main problem still exists...it's passive. Passive is inferior to active.

What a shame for all those poor people that had to suffer with 3-D at the theaters instead of the "amazing" in-home experience. It was at least a 10:1 ratio of experiencing that inferior passive last year and it will likely repeat this year -- especially with several mfrs. committed to passive in home.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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