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post #271 of 289 Old 03-13-2012, 09:37 AM
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I did not have access to the settings, no remote...(I didn't ask for it either). It appeared to be in a higher "dynamic & standard mode" if I had to guess. Backlight probably in the upper half of the range. To be honest, I was mostly concentrating on looking for banding...The blacks overall were inky dark, I could not see any banding, but the backlight bleeding in the corners showed in the picture. It wasn't apparent in the store setting...I'm not familiar with the B-ball score ticker...so could be designed that way? It is oddly symmetric...

I would concur with much of what Rogo stated earlier and go a step further as an owner of the 60D8000 for about 7 months now. Folks your not going to truly see in a store setting the true black levels on these unless they have a totally darkened room. I auditioned my version for months in store and in normal store and home settings/environ the blacks look great most of the time - however, at night when the lights are off in total darkness this TV is exposed as a skinny ass fake blacks be-atch and screen uniformity is horrible - my old Sharp had terrific uniformity these edge lit beasts suck at.

90% of the time the TV gives a great PQ during daytime but just as witnessed during the flat panel shootout this thing is a fraud in the dark next to an HX929 or Elite. It's also a PITA as I have to adjust the settings far too often something I rarely had to do on my Sharp. Even the Samsung BD Player I bought gives a worse PQ than TBS broadcast TV which shocked me. I'll be buying an Oppo in the future after discovering it's BDWise settings were worse than broadcast TV of the same movie on BD.

Personally, I simply don't believe you can do anything to correct the black levels and uniformity of these skinny panels with edge lit tech and I think Samsung will just neglect it and let OLED carry on gradually where it's perfectly resolved with that tech.

Yes, I have Buyer's remorse and hope to go larger with a Sharp 70" 945 or an Elite this summer. Just don't expect your in-store audition to expose just how inferior micro-dimming truly is - cool looking form factor but it burns my ass when I see how bad it's screen uniformity is when viewing in the dark and not only that - this TV gets horrible DSE regularly when using On-Demand services with dark scenes I never got on my Sharp panel. It seems it cannot handle compression well and in all dark scenes and when panning you get this cloudy black smudges/fog that can become unwatchable on this Samsung that doesn't replicate on BD or Broadcast HD. Just feel it's unlikely Samsung has resolved this issue on the ES - it's simply too thin to work from the edges IMO.

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"Yes, I have Buyer's remorse and hope to go larger with a Sharp 70" 945 or an Elite this summer."

Rumor has it, the 945 will not be coming to market this year.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...the-new-small/

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All I want is confirmation on the uniformity status of the es sets
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I thought I had found a problem, turned out to be nothing.
Just trying to help evaluate...

no i am glad u are helping out it's always wonderful to here good feedback and sometime's bad ,this tv looking to be ok in my mind,Still going to see if cnet review's this tv and also a little better price drop .let us know more info if u have anything.and thnak u for the kind help.
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All I want is confirmation on the uniformity status of the es sets

from what cnet and samsung said that hey fix most of the problem's on the ES series of LED tv's have i seen any yet on the market as of now not yet but i seen tond of picture on google and other website's and they looks fantastic to me.
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I would concur with much of what Rogo stated earlier and go a step further as an owner of the 60D8000 for about 7 months now. Folks your not going to truly see in a store setting the true black levels on these unless they have a totally darkened room. I auditioned my version for months in store and in normal store and home settings/environ the blacks look great most of the time - however, at night when the lights are off in total darkness this TV is exposed as a skinny ass fake blacks be-atch and screen uniformity is horrible - my old Sharp had terrific uniformity these edge lit beasts suck at.

90% of the time the TV gives a great PQ during daytime but just as witnessed during the flat panel shootout this thing is a fraud in the dark next to an HX929 or Elite. It's also a PITA as I have to adjust the settings far too often something I rarely had to do on my Sharp. Even the Samsung BD Player I bought gives a worse PQ than TBS broadcast TV which shocked me. I'll be buying an Oppo in the future after discovering it's BDWise settings were worse than broadcast TV of the same movie on BD.

Personally, I simply don't believe you can do anything to correct the black levels and uniformity of these skinny panels with edge lit tech and I think Samsung will just neglect it and let OLED carry on gradually where it's perfectly resolved with that tech.

Yes, I have Buyer's remorse and hope to go larger with a Sharp 70" 945 or an Elite this summer. Just don't expect your in-store audition to expose just how inferior micro-dimming truly is - cool looking form factor but it burns my ass when I see how bad it's screen uniformity is when viewing in the dark and not only that - this TV gets horrible DSE regularly when using On-Demand services with dark scenes I never got on my Sharp panel. It seems it cannot handle compression well and in all dark scenes and when panning you get this cloudy black smudges/fog that can become unwatchable on this Samsung that doesn't replicate on BD or Broadcast HD. Just feel it's unlikely Samsung has resolved this issue on the ES - it's simply too thin to work from the edges IMO.

You're right, in the dark this tv reveals its shortcomings. Blacks are not black, but blue-black. I've had D6050, D6400 & now they replaced my 6400 with a D7000, and still it's blacks in total darkness have something left to be desired. I'm thinking I might persue a total refund of my $$ and buy a xbr929 or get a panny pdp instead, i'm fit-to-be tied with samsung's led issues........and i'm fairly confident that the es series will have the same shortcomings with the current ultra-thin form factor manufacturing process.
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Finally starting to see some reviews roll out and things are looking great.
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........and i'm fairly confident that the es series will have the same shortcomings with the current ultra-thin form factor manufacturing process.

Not to be rude but I'm wating for proof & not feelings...ES series, not D
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And reviews so far are at least leaning towards the bigger issues being taken care of.

They allowed their tv to become just a little bit thicker to allow for some things to be fixed.
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Sorry to hear about your disappointment Westa. That's really a bummer and I mean that sincerely. I remember being blown away by how good the D8000s looked last year in a bright room (and they really do) and then coming quickly to realize how not good they looked even in dim light -- once I had the chance to see them there.

I also am skeptical the ES8000 is fixing this and now we have rumors of Samsung doing a full-array set as their real flagship -- an admission that the 8000s are not true flagships if this proves true.

We are really at a strange point in TV: There are lots of pretty decent TVs and not very many really good ones. And all these top-end models we want to consider have flaws that are sort of beyond just a little annoying.

I'm reserving judgment on the new Samsungs until I see them and there are more reports... But even if resolved, the lack of a ship date on the 65" makes me less than sanguine I'll personally care.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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So when will the sell it?
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I am trying to decide whether to go with 2012 Samsung LCD or Panasonic LCD...probably RT5 series when it comes down in price a bit...

have a 5 yr old Samsung LN 550 series 40" but due to moving to a bigger place needs to upgrade....The sammy has performed fairly well, but not perfect - flashlighting is present and had to tweak a lot not to notice it....so I am thinking of going with a Panny this yr...

As I still do own a Sammy , it's not 100% out of the equation, so any comments regarding comparisons betw the 1 brands would be very welcome...
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Any updates on the 75"? This was planned to be edge lit - not the rumored full-array tech right?
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Any updates on the 75"? This was planned to be edge lit - not the rumored full-array tech right?

I haven't heard any. In fact, I still haven't heard anything about the 65" either. My assumptions are leading me to believe that the 75" will never come out. Just my opinoin though.

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I very very much doubt the 75" will never see the light of day. It will be edge lit if it does; it was never rumored to be full array. Someone was told of some other high-end full-array product line in development at Samsung -- we'll see about that.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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New ES9000 LED-Series as last high end LCD-TV´s by Samsung coming at the IFA 2012?

http://98.139.168.220/babelfish/tran...000------.html
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New ES9000 LED-Series as last high end LCD-TV´s by Samsung coming at the IFA 2012?

http://98.139.168.220/babelfish/tran...000------.html

Interesting find.
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I agree that the the EH series looks cheap but looks are deceiving.
I've had my un32EH5000 for 5 days now and have had time to adjust picture to my preferences. This set has more than met my expectations.
It has excellent Black and white levels with colors that really pop along with skin tone rendition.
Don't be turned off by what you see in stores.
The one on display in store had a stationary background so I took a chance and I am happy I did buy it.

I have a Panasonic Plasma 58VT25 and a Sharp 70LE732 and can say that I enjoy watching this as much as those.


Hey guys, brand new here and just got this tv today. I did a search but could not find any results for the calibration of this tv. If people could share theirs I would appreciate it.
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Hey guys, brand new here and just got this tv today. I did a search but could not find any results for the calibration of this tv. If people could share theirs I would appreciate it.

Here are the settings used in a professional review, for what it's worth:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/conten...alibration.htm
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