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Are there any settings or calibration that can reduce ghosting on the un40eh6000?The ghosting is mostly noticable in games when slowly panning over a dark object when its against a lighter background.
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The 60EH6000 is $1299 at Best Buy this week, so if you purchased it in the last 30 days, get a price adjustment. It's on page 2 of this week's ad. Why would this be on page 2 if both Best Buy's here told me last Friday that the product is being deleted from their system? Is the ad just to clear them out? I wish we knew what was replacing it.

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Will do, sightseeker
I just called best buy again to see if they got it in stock, and they said the 60eh6000 is being deleted from their system. I asked why and they said that usually means it is being replaced by a new model. Any thoughts?
no just means the tv is constrained and hasn't been in replenished in the warehouse
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What is the response time on this tv?
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I picked up a 60RH6000 from best buy a couple weeks ago. I was lucky enough to find an open box one there. I was able to haggle them down to 40% off the sale price which works out to be only $840!!!! Got it home and set it u and it is perfect. Still have to fiddle with some settings but this tv is fantastic!!! I dont care about the 2 hdmi inputs since i am using a receiver. I was able to get everything in my sig for under $2000 so i am very happy!!!

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Yup! That link has excellent info for making proper settings on these or ANY TV. smile.gif

That info has been posted many times.

Or. . . readers can use the "Search This Thread " feature down at the bottom of the page and find these gems for whatever they are looking for. wink.gif

It's amazing how many folks just seem to want instant info and it's already at their finger tips.cool.gif
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Hi everyone, I recently got this TV from Best Buy to put in our living room. I'm in the process of building a HTPC to drive it but until that is up and running I'm using the internal OTA tuner. Some questions:

1) Most local channels supply guide information over the air. Once the TV is tuned to that channel, the guide information appears for the channel. However, if I turn the set off the guide information vanishes (i.e. I need to tune to those channels again). Is there a way of 1) retaining the guide info and 2) auto-tuning to each channel to download the guide information on power-on?
2) I've tried some of the settings mentioned in the televisioninfo site as well as this thread. However, I'm still seeing significant soap opera effects; particularly on 1080i material (versus 720p). In general, I have all the motion/noise/LED features turned off. I'm hoping that this will vanish when I've got the HTPC driving 1080p all the time to the display?

BTW, I've been very impressed with the Samsung's tuner; it's a significant improvement over my series 3 Tivo tuner.
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Is it normal that on both a samsung un37eh5000 and un40eh6000 tv there is a significant blurring/smearing/ghosting effect on black/dark objects if the brightness and hdmi black level is lowered to a certain point? This is the most noticable while panning the camera in a video game.
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Is it normal that on both a samsung un37eh5000 and un40eh6000 tv there is a significant blurring/smearing/ghosting effect on black/dark objects if the brightness and hdmi black level is lowered to a certain point? This is the most noticable while panning the camera in a video game.

It would probably depend on the panel in the set. The UN37EH5000 doesn't actually use a Samsung S-PVA panel as they aren't made in that size. The UN40EH6000 can have 1 of 4 different panels. I'm not sure how they compare in terms of smearing on dark objects.

Regardless, most of the panels Samsung sources favor black levels and contrast over motion detail, especially on dark objects- so it it somewhat normal I think. Maybe not if it's "significant" though...
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It would probably depend on the panel in the set. The UN37EH5000 doesn't actually use a Samsung S-PVA panel as they aren't made in that size. The UN40EH6000 can have 1 of 4 different panels. I'm not sure how they compare in terms of smearing on dark objects.
Regardless, most of the panels Samsung sources favor black levels and contrast over motion detail, especially on dark objects- so it it somewhat normal I think. Maybe not if it's "significant" though...

Interesting about the different panels. Does the 1-in-4 panel lottery apply to the 55\60" ones as well?

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Interesting about the different panels. Does the 1-in-4 panel lottery apply to the 55\60" ones as well?

I'd assume all Samsung LCDs have some kind of panel lottery. Not sure which ones the 55 or 60" use, although I think the 50" doesn't use Samsung panels.
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How do i find out which panel a un40eh6000 is using?
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The label on the back of the un40eh6000 says TS02. Is this panel type known to have more blur then the TH0x panel or chei mei and auo? Anyone know through experience which provides the best picture/less smearing and blur? Also on the box i think it says manufactured in mexico.
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do you know what panel tech the Sharp panels use/are?

I think ASV and UV2A.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkEx0COr3rw&feature=youtu.be Here is a link to video that i recorded of the dark/black object smearing problem on un40eh6000 brightness is set to 40,the lower it is set it becomes more visable, if set higher it becomes less visable. Game is batman arkham city on xbox 360. 60 fps games do it as well. If brightness is set around 50-55 it is less annoying but still slightly there and the picture can look a bit too bright at 55.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkEx0COr3rw&feature=youtu.be Here is a link to video that i recorded of the dark/black object smearing problem on un40eh6000 brightness is set to 40,the lower it is set it becomes more visable, if set higher it becomes less visable. Game is batman arkham city on xbox 360. 60 fps games do it as well. If brightness is set around 50-55 it is less annoying but still slightly there and the picture can look a bit too bright at 55.

Make sure the xbox is using Reference Levels: Standard, and set the TV to Black Level: Low to make sure you aren't mismatching signals and crushing blacks. Someone else had that problem here > http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406151/the-official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/420#post_22421436

A brightness setting of 40 is pretty low too, and is probably crushing blacks as well. Somewhere around ~45 is better. You should check it with a test pattern though.


Setting the black level correctly should reduce some smearing. If you haven't already, turn off all the extra processing by setting all the bolded settings that Plasma posted above ^^^
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Does the resolution always need to be set to 1080i to use film mode or is there another way?
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Does the resolution always need to be set to 1080i to use film mode or is there another way?

Xbox should be set to 1080p...

Are you using it with a Blu Ray Player? Otherwise, why do you want to use Film Mode? I think that's for 3:2 Pulldown & 24fps.
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the reference level settings might have helped reduce the visability of blur on dark colors slightly, but the blur might be slightly more noticable in movie mode then in standard mode. Would the AVSHD709 be able to reduce this more?Also i have tested the old Samsung P2570HD 24.6-Inch tv/monitor that i still have and darker/black colors dont seem to blur more then other colors on it and the un37eh5000 that i returned seemed to have the same extra blur on dark/black colors as the 6000.
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Also i have tested the old Samsung P2570HD 24.6-Inch tv/monitor that i still have and darker/black colors dont seem to blur more then other colors on it and the un37eh5000 that i returned seemed to have the same extra blur on dark/black colors as the 6000.

The UN37EH5000 doesn't use S-PVA panels. They aren't manufactured in that size (37").
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We've had the 55" for about 3 weeks now and I've been annoyed by vertical shadow lines that are most noticeable about 4" from the edges of the screen when the source image is a lighter, solid color. For example, I notice it in the grass when a baseball field is in full screen.

I found this thread and discovered that others have this issue too.

Sound like this is something you have to decide whether you can live with, right? In other words, there is no "fix".

We've got a few more days left in the 30 day return policy, so I'm about ready to pack it up and try another brand. We got the Samsung for $1000 - any recos for other brands/models in this price range? Or, in this price range, will all brands/models have some warts?

We've also been annoyed by the S.O.E that comes back, even with all the motion settings turned off. Based on what I've read, a firmware update may fix that.
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We've had the 55" for about 3 weeks now and I've been annoyed by vertical shadow lines that are most noticeable about 4" from the edges of the screen when the source image is a lighter, solid color. For example, I notice it in the grass when a baseball field is in full screen.
I found this thread and discovered that others have this issue too.
Sound like this is something you have to decide whether you can live with, right? In other words, there is no "fix".
We've got a few more days left in the 30 day return policy, so I'm about ready to pack it up and try another brand. We got the Samsung for $1000 - any recos for other brands/models in this price range? Or, in this price range, will all brands/models have some warts?
We've also been annoyed by the S.O.E that comes back, even with all the motion settings turned off. Based on what I've read, a firmware update may fix that.

I was in the same boat a few weeks ago with the 55" EH6000. I might have the perfect set for you. Samsung LN46D630. Keep in mind the biggest size is 46". I was hesitant to buy because of that issue alone. I'm used to 55" but once I mounted above my entertainment stand it does not look that small. The PQ is better than the EH6000. It's very bright even though it's a CCFL LCD and not an LED. There is no S.O.E. even when the AMP is turned up to smooth. Very accurate colors, slight DSE but that's normal among all LCD/LED sets, (I haven't noticed the DSE on anything but a pure black screen), minor flashlighting in bottom left/right corners (Flashlighting is normally a deal-breaker for me but it's very minimal and not noticable in regualr content), 4 HDMI inputs, no purple/violet tinge like the EH6000, and aesthetically alot better than the EH6000 IMO. I'm not a reviewer and it all comes down to preference in the end but the D630 is a very nice set overall. It can be had for around $700.00.
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Is this the dirty screen effect? If it is i have noticed it on all the tvs and computer monitor ive used, most noticable on a solid color during a panning shot. It doesnt mean the screen is actually dirty though.
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what panel version is it? there should be a sticker on one side of the TV and also on the box under "Version"

LN46D630 Panel Version: SQ01
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I'm probably going to exchange my UN46EH5000 for the LN46D630. It's not that the EH5000 isn't a great TV, but based on what I read on the net and seen in person the 2011 Samsung LED/LCDs have blacks that are about twice as dark as this years models, which means twice the native contrast ratio. I've also read about the D630's great colors, which is something the D550 I had for a while last year never had (despite awesome blacks and contrast). Best Buy says they have deleted this set from the system (though it still shows up on the website and two locations in my area have them in stock). If I can get the SQ01 panel (Samsung S-PVA) and not the SN02 (CMO S-MVA), I will certainly pick one up soon.

I just bought my D630 last Friday (9/21/12) and the panel version is SQ01. I did not buy from Best Buy though.
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Yeah, that's the better one for viewing angles. The SN02 is very uniform, though.

So the SN02 has no flashlighting?
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that's what I read in the official thread for the LNxxD630, but the SN02 has narrow viewing angles (much worse) as a tradeoff
the flashlighting you describe in the bottom two corners is quite common on that panel

Yea. The viewing is really nice. I have a 30 day warranty but don't know if it's worth it to take it back or not. The flashlighting is clearly there but after watching tv in the dark last night it's very hard to notice unless I'm looking for it and even then it's not bad.
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I'm probably going to exchange my UN46EH5000 for the LN46D630. It's not that the EH5000 isn't a great TV, but based on what I read on the net and seen in person the 2011 Samsung LED/LCDs have blacks that are about twice as dark as this years models, which means twice the native contrast ratio. I've also read about the D630's great colors, which is something the D550 I had for a while last year never had (despite awesome blacks and contrast). Best Buy says they have deleted this set from the system (though it still shows up on the website and two locations in my area have them in stock). If I can get the SQ01 panel (Samsung S-PVA) and not the SN02 (CMO S-MVA), I will certainly pick one up soon.

The LN46D630 should be good too. Everything I've read has said the 2012 LEDs were slightly deeper than 2011 LCD/LEDS. I don't remember reading that LN46D630 had any deeper blacks, and certainly not twice as deep. The UN40EH5000 measured .05 cd/m2 at televisioninfo, and twice as deep would make the LN46D630 as deep as Panasonic's flagships Plasmas.

I've read the LNxxD630 and UNxxEHx000 have similiar native contrast ratio, and that the LNxxD630 has brighter whites and slightly lighter blacks while the xxEH had dimmer whites and slightly deeper blacks. I think its CCFLs do give more light output then the limited array LEDS though, which will help the native contrast by bumping up the whites, but lighten the blacks too. The UN40EH5000 measured 5456:1 native contrast and twice that would put the LN46D630 at over 10000:1 which isn't something any LCDs have pulled of yet (at least in panel techs already available).

Regardless, the only real con I've read on the LN46D630 is that it doesn't have great shadow detail. That might be a OK trade off though if you watch lighter material and want the better uniformity and equivalent contrast.
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