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post #1171 of 2567 Old 12-02-2012, 10:26 AM
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Just got my EH6000, so far so good. Only thing I have a question about at the moment is out of the box, I plugged my DTV box into the top HDMI/DVI port and nothing. I get a no signal. I plug it into the bottom port and everything is fine. Am I missing anything here? We have our PS3 plugged into the component ports. I didn't know the difference in why the top HDMI is actually labeled HDME/DVI and the bottom just HDMI.

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Samsung has certain performance specifications that they require the panels provided by other vendors to meet.

It is not very difficult to meet certain specs smile.gif 2 car engines could have the same HP but it doesnt mean that they both have the same performance characteristics. One could could be a lot louder than the other!
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BTW the UN55EH6000 model is back in stock at all BB stores in my area but at $1299. Who is going to buy at $1299? I am going to ask if they can give me the $879 price and if so make sure it is TSXX or THXX version. Instead of dumping more 6001 models for BF, they could have ordered more 6000 models and they could have still sold them out at $879. Anyway.. hindsight is always 20/20. Will see if I can get the 6000 model now for $879. They did tell me during the Thanksgiving week that they could order the 6000 model for $879 but I could not do it as I had to make sure I got the TS or TH version number.

May be there would be a sale close to Christmas? Is'nt Christmas bigger than Thanksgiving? Why do all the sale during Thanksgiving itself smile.gif
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It is not very difficult to meet certain specs smile.gif 2 car engines could have the same HP but it doesnt mean that they both have the same performance characteristics. One could could be a lot louder than the other!
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Don't buy in to the 'all panels are made to meet specs' claim. It doesn't mean all panels are equally good in all areas of PQ/performance.

Yes, I didn't say they would still look the same. Even if they had similar specs they all have are different LCD matrices after all which will perform differently. And the specs may not be as strict or equivalent to first party panels.

The point is: Samsung doesn't say "just give us whatever old LCDs you have...." to the other vendors.
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So, some panel types are definitely preferable to others and this means you should aim to get those panels (like Samsung ones) if you want the most from your money. So, I agree it's wrong to return a non-Samsung panel without giving it a honest try but that doesn't mean the panel lottery is not a real issue or that all panels are equal in terms of overall PQ/performance.

Yes.

My main point was that people should realize that other vendors just use different LCD technologies and that the differences in picture come from that, and not because the other vendors or their panels themselves are of low quality and inherently inferior.

To help people realize that ^, it would be better if people would say things like "I would prefer having a Samsung (S-PVA) made panel over a Chi Mei (A-MVA) panel" instead of saying "I want a "good" panel, not one of the "garbage" ones..."
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Could you elaborate on this?


All VA type panels have some off axis gamma shift, but A-MVA and S-PVA should have less offset back glow than S-MVA (where the blacks exhibit a purple glow off axis - similar to IPS panels).
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PlasmaPZ80U, are you happy with your 6030? Also, if you don't mind sharing, are you ok with the tv having 60hz refresh rate (while watching action movies or sports)? I have been debating whether i should return it or not. I am coming from a 7 year old lcd that was way smaller and so, don't really have a fair comparison. Also, it feels duplicitous on Samsung's part to not fully disclose the refresh rate.
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I don't think anyone has helped Dave with his vertical line issue, yet.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1395734/official-samsung-unxxeh6000-owners-thread/1140#post_22648691
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Quick question regarding calibrating an EH6000 with AVS HD 709. You need to use your Blu-Ray player as an input, so the new settings do not show up when you use another signal source, like a DirecTV receiver on the other HDMI input. Will the same settings apply to the other input and the other source? Do you simply just write down your Blu-Ray settings, then input the same settings on your other input source?
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Quick question regarding calibrating an EH6000 with AVS HD 709. You need to use your Blu-Ray player as an input, so the new settings do not show up when you use another signal source, like a DirecTV receiver on the other HDMI input. Will the same settings apply to the other input and the other source? Do you simply just write down your Blu-Ray settings, then input the same settings on your other input source?

That's what I've done for both my HD antenna and my br player, once I derived them from the test disc. No complaints. For a while I left my antenna on the old settings (pre latest br calibration) but the final settings work great for both. Only thing I could imagine messing it up is if someone's disc player has a sub-par picture (unlikely) or is tweaked to display some altered picture preset (never used them myself, they seem even dumber ideas than the Samsung preset modes).
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Reading this thread has almost caused me to start pulling the hair out of my head! Some background: I have a Samsung 52 B750 and also a Samsung 63 C8000 plasma. I do love both of these TV's and I am in the need to get a third television. This time around the criteria was different. Whereas last time I wanted to purchase among the best televisions in the market, this time it is more bang for the buck. I am looking for a TV with great picture quality, no clouding, flashlighting, etc while being at a certain price point. So on black friday I ordered the Panasonic 55ET5 3D TV that was on sale at Best Buy online, but when I stopped by the store later in the day I somehow decided that the Samsung 55EH6001 was better suited, given I already have a 3D TV and the 6001 was $100 cheaper.

I brought the TV home and have been pleased with it. Only gripes are that the off angle viewing is not all that good and I miss having a stand that swivels (the B750 and C8000 both have swiveling stands). Still no biggie. Perhaps I made the mistake of coming back onto AVS forum to read the EH6000 owner's thread, but pretty much it seems that Samsung is still playing the panel lottery. My B750 has the Samsung panel and it has been an excellent television. The 55EH6001 I purchased has the CH02 panel. After reading this thread and the speculation that the EH6000 may have better build quality (and mostly the chance that I may be able to get one with the Samsung panel), I decided to order the 55EH6000 from Best Buy as it was only $79 more. Went and picked up the TV today and unfortunately it has the CH01 panel.

So now I am torn on what to do. I assume that the CH01 and CH02 panel are identical (both Chi-Mei), but the EH6000 cost more. I am thinking maybe since I travel back and forth from Tucson to El Paso, one of the Best Buy stores may have a 55EH6000 with the Tx-xx (Samsung) panel. I may just swing by each of the stores and check, but damn that will take up a lot of time. Any thoughts or suggestions? Is it worth keeping a CH01 panel 6000 over the CH02 panel 6001? Anyone that recently purchased a 55EH6000 with the Samsung panel? Input very much appreciated!
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I brought the TV home and have been pleased with it......So now I am torn on what to do. Is it worth keeping a CH01 panel 6000 over the CH02 panel 6001?

As you mentioned, stop reading this forum and enjoy your TV. If it looks good to you, then don't listen to somebody else saying that it shouldn't look good. If you put your 6000 and 6001 side by side, I bet you would see no difference.
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Anyone know what I'm talking about with my issue in my previous post? I took a picture.
The vertical line is clearly visible and there is a noticable difference in the contrast between the two sides.

Yes, that looks abnormal and if it's present all the time and not just from a particular source I would exchange the TV or have a tech look at it.
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Even if it is a CS01 use these settings before you return it...
Movie
Backlight 15
Contrast 93
Brightness 55
Sharpness 30
Color 48
G52/R48
Color space native
White balance:
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27
23
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25
Gamma -1
Dyn cont off
Black tone - dark
Flesh 0
Warm 1
Size 16:9
DNF off
Hdmi black low
Film off
AMP custom
Blur 7
Judder 5
Led motion plus off

I setup my new 6030 using the DVE Blu-Ray. Then I checked what I had setup against the values above. Those values were spot on. Great job these settings work great.
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FYI - 40EH6000 on sale for 48Hr on Newegg. Price is $567. If you subscribe to their eblast deals, you get a promo code for $60 off that. So total $507! Quite a deal. Just paid $600 for a 40ES6003 from my local Magnolia ($657 with tax). That's a $150 swing. Very tempting. Still within my return window. Started an 40ES6003 owners thread and have been struggling with cloud issues with the edge lighting. Wondered whether the EH6000 direct lighting might be better. Also did a calibration and noticed a push in blue at low grey levels like the EH6000. See thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1441404/official-samsung-unxxes6003-owners-thread
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What kind of panel does your set have?
Also, you should leave black tone off to avoid crushing blacks and it may be simpler to leave the green offset and green gain at the default 25 and just use the red and blue offsets/gains and the main brightness and contrast controls.

I have MH01 panel.

Thank you for the feedback. I have posted my latest calibration details at

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1395734/official-samsung-unxxeh6000-owners-thread/1200#post_22654540
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please limit your posts to technical issues

if you see a problematic post, please do not quote it or respond to it: just report it
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Good to know, then one could say as far a VA panel tech goes from best to worst (not sure about Sharp though):
1. S-PVA
2. A-MVA
3. S-MVA

For HDTVs, YES you could tentatively say that.

The other matrices still have some advantages. For example, A-MVA and S-MVA have slightly better color accuracy and at least A-MVA has slightly lower input lag, which is likely one of the reasons they're more popular in computer monitors. They may have better subpixel layouts for rendering text as well.

For HDTVs, those things are less important, and contrast, black levels, and viewing angle become more important for the overall picture quality - and in these areas, S-PVA has the lead.

Sharp's ASV panels are supposed to have faster response times than the other VA panels (S-PVA included), so I'm a little confused about the "purple trailing" complaints people were having. ASV does have lighter blacks and worse viewing angles then S-PVA, but they should be still similar to the other VA panels in those regards.
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Just set up my new 55EH6030. Panel is a TH01. I wonder if all of the 6030 models have a Samsung panel. The set came with the latest version of the firmware - 1018. I changed the picture settings to the ones recommended by HDMI_13. Blade Runner in BluRay looks spectacular. I don't remember the movie looking this good in the movie theater. I have a calibration kit on order. When it arrives I will fine tune the picture settings.

My OPPO 103 BD 3D player arrived a couple of days ago. I hooked it up to my 10 year old 55" Sony WEGA LCD rear projection TV. The picture quality was noticeably better with the OPPO than my 5 year old Samsung CD Player. Of course the OPPO and the 55EH6030 make an even better combination.

This information contained in this thread has been a big help. Thank you.
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rgordonpf, did you mean firmware "1008"?
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Good to know, then one could say as far a VA panel tech goes from best to worst (not sure about Sharp though):
1. S-PVA
2. A-MVA
3. S-MVA

For HDTVs, YES you could tentatively say that.

The other matrices still have some advantages. For example, A-MVA and S-MVA have slightly better color accuracy and at least A-MVA has slightly lower input lag, which is likely one of the reasons they're more popular in computer monitors. They may have better subpixel layouts for rendering text as well.

For HDTVs, those things are less important, and contrast, black levels, and viewing angle become more important for the overall picture quality - and in these areas, S-PVA has the lead.

Sharp's ASV panels are supposed to have faster response times than the other VA panels (S-PVA included), so I'm a little confused about the "purple trailing" complaints people were having. ASV does have lighter blacks and worse viewing angles then S-PVA, but they should be still similar to the other VA panels in those regards.

Can you tell us what the source of your performance information is? Is it firsthand knowledge from trying these panels yourself, or did you get the information elsewhere?
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rgordonpf, did you mean firmware "1008"?



The version of the software that was loaded into firmware of my new 55EH6030 was version1018. I went online and there was no more recent version. This is for a TH01 panel.
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Here's what my setting are now on my TH02 Panel 55EH60000. Firmware version is T-MX9FAUSC-1012.3

Mode: Standard
Backlight: 10 - 12
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 38
Sharpness: 30 (I can't figure out what looks best here)
Color: 40
Tint: 50/50

Advanced:
Color Space: Auto
White Balance
R-Offset: 20
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 20
R-Gain: 14
G-Gain: 25
B-Gain: 18

Gamma: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: -1 or 0
Motion Lighting: Off

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Warm 1
Size: Screen Fit
Digital Noise Filter: Low
Auto Motion Plus: Off or Clear
LED Motion Plus: Off

Still not 100% happy with it, but it looks good. I am going to see if swapping out the HDMI cable coming from my DirecTV HD-DVR helps any... Some of the channels look like complete crap, though they did on my Panasonic 50" S30 too. Bums me out, because I want to enjoy watching football and the local broadcast channels look like garbage. (most likely not the TV)
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Can you tell us what the source of your performance information is? Is it firsthand knowledge from trying these panels yourself, or did you get the information elsewhere?

Unfortunately it's not first hand knowledge as I don't have the means to use all these different panels myself. So take it with a grain of salt.

I don't have any one particular source, because I prefer to gather as much information from different sources before I start to draw any conclusions or post any statements.

I do consider "hristoslav2" to be one of the more reliable sources. He is the same source who gave all the information about decrypting the service menu codes, and about current panel vendors and the different matrices they use. He has several threads with info about different LCD panels that encompasses multiple manufacturers, including Samsung.

I've linked to some of his threads already in the post in my sig.
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Here's what my setting are now on my TH02 Panel 55EH60000. Firmware version is T-MX9FAUSC-1012.3
Mode: Standard

Sharpness: 30 (I can't figure out what looks best here)

I just took my first run tonight at using AVS 709 to configure basic settings on my AH02 Panel 55EH60001. Because it's nighttime, I only configured the settings for movie mode. I'll do standard mode when I can sit in front of the set during daytime when there's a lot more light in the room. I did notice that using the AVS 709 sharpness pattern (Basic Settings Chapter 5), it looked pretty much the same regardless of how I configured sharpness. I was sitting 10-12' from the set in a room with pretty low light so maybe the results would be different if I were sitting a lot closer to the set, but watching Monday Night Football the picture was pretty awesome.

Watching the HD Nation calibration video on the disc, the guys seemed to think there are better test patterns for sharpness than the one on AVS 709. They also talked about how "purists" sometimes set sharpness to zero but also emphasized that you could be losing some picture detail if you just automatically do this.

Looking forward to receiving my blue glasses from THX so I can go through the color and tint settings as well.
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I found this forum after purchasing my 50EH6000 as a means to help calibrate the tv and other setting adjustments. Now I am having some buyers remorse. I have finally found a good setting using calibration suggestions and the calibration tool/DVD from this site. The picture is amazing while using BluRay and watching normal programs BUT the problem is I watch a lot of football.
When it is a close shot of the players it looks amazing HOWEVER, when it pans out to pre-snap play it is blurry (well at least for what I expect from a samsung). Yes, I have tried every possible setting to alleviate this. I am wondering if it is the panel? I have a CH01 panel and have not heard any good from this panel on the site. The color and picture is great except for in those shots (which others have noted). Is this something that would be resolved from a "true" Samsung panel? If so, is it worth returning it for the panels that have been suggested on here? Or am I playing the panel lottery again, granted I would request/demand the suggested panel from this forum.
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The picture is amazing while using BluRay and watching normal programs BUT the problem is I watch a lot of football.
When it is a close shot of the players it looks amazing HOWEVER, when it pans out to pre-snap play it is blurry (well at least for what I expect from a samsung). Yes, I have tried every possible setting to alleviate this. I am wondering if it is the panel? I have a CH01 panel and have not heard any good from this panel on the site.

Is this something that would be resolved from a "true" Samsung panel? If so, is it worth returning it for the panels that have been suggested on here? Or am I playing the panel lottery again, granted I would request/demand the suggested panel from this forum.

I doubt it's the panel. Changing the panel would mainly affect the viewing angles and black level, but I can't see it fixing a blurry picture.

Since you said it looks good with other material like Blu Rays, the panel should be fine. Sports can be hard to compress and come out looking good over cable, so the problem could just be with that material (?).


I would play around with digital noise reduction as that will smear details.
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Thanks! I somewhat chalked it up to my craptastic cable provider, coupled with the nature of the compression issue on a panned out sporting angle. But after reading page after page of panel discussions, I became increasingly worried that may be a problem. The viewing angle on this tv is subpar from what I have had prior. From even a slight angle the picture begins to gray quite a bit. Perhaps adjusting the gamma setting would help?
I also found that setting everything off (as suggested by many) while setting auto motion plus to smooth was the best way to get me the clearest picture for football. I know this isn't the greatest setting for most other things, as it does appear soap opera like, it works great for football blurriness. Every other setting from clear to custom did not help as much as this adjustment did. Of course personal preference to alleviate this one problem.
The picture is just so clear on close shots but suffers when it is a full field shot...o well can't have it all I suppose.
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I also found that setting everything off (as suggested by many) while setting auto motion plus to smooth was the best way to get me the clearest picture for football. I know this isn't the greatest setting for most other things, as it does appear soap opera like, it works great for football blurriness. Every other setting from clear to custom did not help as much as this adjustment did. Of course personal preference to alleviate this one problem.
The picture is just so clear on close shots but suffers when it is a full field shot...o well can't have it all I suppose.

I disabled AMP because of "soap opera effect" but have found that it does provide improvements when watching live sports, concerts, news programs, nature shows, etc. Chicolom’s post #1032 in this thread does a nice job of explaining AMP.

Click here to read it.

The only problem is that when you disable AMP, you disable it for every viewing mode and vice versa.

It would be a nice firmware enhancement for Samsung to make AMP configurable per viewing mode and also maybe provide one or two “custom” modes as well. The 37” Toshiba LCD in my bedroom has more viewing modes than my relatively upscale 55” Samsung LED. This makes it somewhat necessary for me to reconfigure settings on a fairly frequent basis. Perhaps that’s one of the tradeoffs one makes when one pays short dollars for a relatively high-end TV on Black Friday.
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