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@zeremiah

CG beat me to it!

What is your back light set to on that picture? I have clouding in the same area's on my tv but they are not nearly as noticeable at +5 back light.
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Thanks guys, ya I have it set to -16 now.........still can see it. I have pictures and case number in with Sharp. I can deal with some clouding but the left hand corner is so bright.
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No one should have to make adjustments that take away from viewing enjoyment to eliminate factory defects.....sounds like its as usual ..hit or miss with some panels

The paint roller thing is very odd, but hey if it works to eliminate clouding it's a cheap fix...but how exactly is it eliminating it I wonder

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just got approved for a sears card and I am debating on getting the 45u or the 847 u. there is about 700 difference in the two sets, But I hear that the 847 is a better all around set? I would like to save the money, But I dont want to sacrifice picture quality or quality of the set in general. is it true that the "fourth" color actually improves the picture in whole or is this just a myth? I have seen pictures posted by gorman and they look fantastic, But I dont want to get a lemon either. any comments would be appreciated. (Just dont want to make a "THOUSAND" dollar mistake.
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If you have to question it, I'd suggest the 745....
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Chad finished up the calibration about an hour ago. He worked 5 hours straight. Thru lunch, no breaks. He was armed with some very serious gear. I'd estimate about $20k retail worth. =-O

There are no numbers to share. I can't access the settings even to read the values. He set me up with the special ISF modes that can be unlocked only by those with special equipment. The adjustment ranges seemed to be larger and/or more finely graduated than those in even the "better" user modes such as "movie".

He turned off Quad Pixel Plus
He used 120 Hz High
He set noise reduction to low

He said that overall the review would be positive. Only qualms were black level and clouding. All else was excellent. He said it be a week or so before he would be able to write the review.


His calibration is better than mine. Similar character and dynamic range, but his colors are more accurate and there is more detail/texture/depth. Example: hair and fabric have less of a flat animated look but instead show the weave or strands. Talking low contrast detail here.

My first set of numbers were better than my second. Adding in the grayscale messed me up somehow.
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Picked up the 70” 845 from Best Buy a few days ago. There seems to be quite a bit of “blurring” - mainly during hand movements. Not sure what the technical term would be.

Is this normal? With all the positive reviews this TV is getting what am I missing?

I am going to do a spyder tv colorimeter and computer calibration this weekend but have already played with the motion enhancements and other settings and had no luck removing. I am coming from a Toshiba 56” DLP and never had this problem.

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Can't say I ever noticed any blurring. I've never had DLP, so not sure what that would cause you to acclimate to.

What's your source media and hardware? 24 or 60 fps? Is the blur visible in stills?
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CG, when you had your first settings did you try them with the Quad turned off or use 120 high or low? Did Chad suggest any ways to try and reduce the clouding?
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Source it the cable box and noticeable on both 1080 and 720 channels. I don’t know if bury is the best way to describe it. Maybe “choppy” movements would be better. Say when someone moves their hands around while talking, the hand movement is not smooth. The TV looks perfect during low moving scenes.
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He turned off Quad Pixel Plus

well, for me, this pretty much sells me on the 745.
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Source it the cable box and noticeable on both 1080 and 720 channels. I don't know if bury is the best way to describe it. Maybe choppy movements would be better. Say when someone moves their hands around while talking, the hand movement is not smooth. The TV looks perfect during low moving scenes.

try a Blu-Ray .. & see if it's there & if it is then freeze frame the blur & if it's still blurry then it's the source.

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well, for me, this pretty much sells me on the 745.

Yeah that's really the only difference between the two ....

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CG, when you had your first settings did you try them with the Quad turned off or use 120 high or low? Did Chad suggest any ways to try and reduce the clouding?

I went thru all the options on day 1. Chad and I talked about the differences and had the same observations. He demonstrated how Quad Pixel reduces sharpness in both static and moving patterns. Talking single pixel difference here. Visible in test scenario, but we were both uncertain how big of an impact it had in real world use. He likes 120 Hz High because it treats motion same/similar to 240 and doesn't reduce maximum luminance.

Interestingly, he found that his meter would sync to the display at 480 Hz when set to the 120 or Off modes and sync at 120 Hz when set to the 240 modes. He wasn't willing to commit as to what the native refresh rate of the panel is, but said the results were a bit odd.

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Source it the cable box and noticeable on both 1080 and 720 channels. I don't know if bury is the best way to describe it. Maybe choppy movements would be better. Say when someone moves their hands around while talking, the hand movement is not smooth. The TV looks perfect during low moving scenes.

Choppy sounds better to me. I believe the term is Judder. Common complaint with LCD and one of the reasons for the Refresh Rate race. Try it with a good Blu-Ray set to 24 fps/Hz, connected with HDMI, film mode set to off and motion enhancement set to 240. That gave me the most film-like results. I would never use cable as a source for critical judgment. Too many variables. OTA Broadcast is better if you must...like for sports or other live events.
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well, for me, this pretty much sells me on the 745.

If you ever plan on a pro calibration, Chad said the lower models don't have full functionality within the ISF modes. He had to abandon ISF and use the Movie mode due to some kind of failure in gamma/grayscale. He said it looked fine, but I thought I'd mention it.
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CGGorman Your the Best .. ThanX !
Your insight is very Valuable to us all !
the best decision is a informed decision & you are keeping us all Very informed
Agin ThanX

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This is awesome. Watching Kick Ass and just seeing example after example of superiority of the calibration. Can see that a character is wearing a dark grey fleece vest over a dark grey velour shirt. Essentially the same color, but completely different texture/sheen. Graffiti on brick I never noticed before. The color of the hero's suit is far less green than I thought and his work boots are a closer color match to his trim than I thought.
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I highly recommend working with Cleveland Plasma. Chris recommended the calibration and the entire experience from pre-purchase research thru calibration today was laid back and satisfying. Great service, communication, and price. I work with a lot of companies at my day job and Cleveland Plasma ranks right up there in business measures.Highest praise.
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Back in February 2012 I ordered the 735 from NYC. I live in Houston. Apparently they use a local shipping company. It was taking 3 weeks to get my tv. It was in a warehouse in Memphis, Tennessee for a week. When I called the shipper to see when it would be delivered, I found out they dropped it off the skid and broke it!!!!!!!! Not just mine, but 4 others!!! I couldn't get another one because no one had them. I was told to wait until the end of March, beginning of April for the 847. Now that I'm ready to buy, I was going to get the 847 but I saw that the 735 is available again, and the 735 is more expensive than the 847. I read that the 735 has a better picture because it's backlit and the 847 is side lit. Which one would you recommend and why? Thanks!
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The 735 has widespread reports of dirty screen effect, dark corners, clouding, and hot spotting.
The 847 has clouding.

I am very glad I chose the 847.
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The 735 has widespread reports of dirty screen effect, dark corners, clouding, and hot spotting.
The 847 has clouding.

I am very glad I chose the 847.

Is it possible if you can take high quality pics since the calibration is done.
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I plan to take a set of pics exactly like the ones I posted last week so everyone can do a sort of side by side. Memory card is full and I didn't feel like messing with the transfer today. Will do tomorrow.
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Back in February 2012 I ordered the 735 from NYC. I live in Houston. Apparently they use a local shipping company. It was taking 3 weeks to get my tv. It was in a warehouse in Memphis, Tennessee for a week. When I called the shipper to see when it would be delivered, I found out they dropped it off the skid and broke it!!!!!!!! Not just mine, but 4 others!!! I couldn't get another one because no one had them. I was told to wait until the end of March, beginning of April for the 847. Now that I'm ready to buy, I was going to get the 847 but I saw that the 735 is available again, and the 735 is more expensive than the 847. I read that the 735 has a better picture because it's backlit and the 847 is side lit. Which one would you recommend and why? Thanks!

I suggest you go over to the 735 thread & read up on that display ,it's NOT all bad on the 735.
the major problem was the corners were slightly darker than the rest of the screen(only on select models) , I seen quite a few of them in my research & the display was stunning . The corner problem was Not a major hit on PQ at all .

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1350285

the best of last years 70" displays were the 632 in the 70" that's a really great PQ display it like the 632 80" was/is a tri-color pixel & is a stunner on PQ .
I myself could not tell the difference between the 735 & 632 70" when they sat side by side showing the same source material .. both of these displays are full array back lighted models .

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I thought the 735 looked great, too. I was going to order one the same week the 847 dropped and decided to take a chance on the new kid. Had a hunch. Mentioned it earlier in the thread. I would have been happy either, but I think the 847 makes less compromises. Just my opinion.
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I thought the 735 looked great, too. I was going to order one the same week the 847 dropped and decided to take a chance on the new kid. Had a hunch. Mentioned it earlier in the thread. I would have been happy either, but I think the 847 makes less compromises. Just my opinion.

Yeah I know what you mean , not trying to cause any riffs they all have their strong points as well weaknesses . I just wish they would have stayed with the full back array but that was to be the 945 & it's delayed . rumored to be an issue with local dimming

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No riff. I just realized my comment about the weakness came off more negative than I'd intended.
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No riff. I just realized my comment about the weakness came off more negative than I'd intended.

yeah L O L, It's Cool ...........
I thought I was coming off too strong as well ....

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I love my 60" from Best Buy. Love it even more since it went $200 off this week. There is not a TV in the world at the price point that is even close. Yes if you can spend 2x or 3x more you can do better but not pound-for-pound you can't! The 3D is especially amazing.

I really like the way I have my TV set, but I just know it is not perfect. I still have a tiny bit of over saturation and the "soap opera effect" and still it is the best TV I have ever seen.

I have learned so much from this thread and saved so much money from the information here. The sharing of knowledge has truly been a godsend. What I wouldn't give for a professional set of eyes to look at my TV. Anyone like "Chad" work in South Central PA?
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