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Wow, that clouding is pretty bad! With my Sharp, I can detect some clouding on a completely black screen in a completely dark room like you have set up in your pic, but it would be similar to what you see in the middle of your TV. If there is any light from the TV (example, credits rolling or flashing on a black screen at the end of the movie), it drowns it out. I always have a soft halogen light on behind the TV so not an issue at all.

I would return if it was as bad as what you have. That is beyond noticeable. frown.gif
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This is my current LG 55LM8600. I'm returning this set do to the extreme flashlight and light bleed. I only see this much when changing inputs. When watching dark movies colors are washed out. Any Sharp sets look like this?

Bad news for you and I hope you aren't in love with LG because they are widely known as being the worst offenders of clouding. They literally have no quality control over it at all. Even in their flagship model this year, the clouding has been dreadful.
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This is my current LG 55LM8600. I'm returning this set do to the extreme flashlight and light bleed. I only see this much when changing inputs. When watching dark movies colors are washed out. Any Sharp sets look like this?

Yeah that's really bad my Sharp looks nothing like that. I have slight clouding that would be about the color (or less obvious) as the middle of your screen on a perfectly black input in a dark room but I don't notice it at all during normal viewing, even of dark movies or credits. What is on your TV I don't think anyone wouldn't notice.
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So folks, if you had to do it over again, would you buy this display? I'm in the market for a 60" at around a $2,000 price point. I also like to buy from Costco.
After reading every post here I am just not sure. I am sure that I am getting tired of shopping !!

I ended up returning my 847 to Costco. I had no clouding issues, but ultimately I couldn't live with the off-angle viewing in my setup. The picture just washes out too much for our tastes when just a little bit to the side. Directly in front of the set, the picture was great. I also was frustrated with the look of fast motion in sports, like the hockey puck or even a football being thrown or a golf ball flying through the air. The set itself was defect free, no clouding, or any of the other issues I've seen mentioned. Just the off-axis and motion stuff that I couldn't live with and those are inherent to the technology from what I can tell. I did not check out the 3d so I don't know if I had ghosting or cross-talk.
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Hi guys,
I'm seeing lots of complaints about motion artifacts on this series. I watch lots of baseball (and NBA finals) and just don't see any artifacts. check my settings above on the aquomotion and try those before you bail out. Best, jeff

from my post above for final Movie settings, I see I'm using aquomotion 240. since you use 120 low and it's okay, says it must be the settings above mine that are problematic.
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Hi guys,
I'm seeing lots of complaints about motion artifacts on this series. I watch lots of baseball (and NBA finals) and just don't see any artifacts. check my settings above on the aquomotion and try those before you bail out. Best, jeff

Yeah, I watch a lot of sports also and haven't had any problems either. I keep mine at 120 Low (which seems counterintuitive.) I've watched a lot of baseball, basketball, hockey, tennis, gold and some DVRd football with no issues. smile.gif
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I calibrated the game mode to get a brighter (more light output picture. jeff

How is the input lag in game mode? What types of games are you playing?
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on the 632 series it's reported to be about 80ms in game mode and about 2x that in movie mode: LINK
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Just checking in. This thread keeps growing and my notifications aren't coming thru. frown.gif

Still loving my 847.
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Got an email from Turbe today that ControlCal now officially supports this set. ...in case anybody is interested...
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Did Chad B ever get his review posted?
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I figured out that "film mode" has to set to "advanced" to get the soap opera effect that I want. I know LC-60C8470U does Aquomotion 480 while LC-60LE847U can only go up to 240 Hz. My question was can anyone see the difference between them?
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How is the input lag in game mode? What types of games are you playing?

I haven't timed it with an app, but it's a non-issue in game mode. Reference material for me is PS3 connected via HDMI on 10up/1dn (mbps) with avg 30ms ping. Games such as MW3 (3rd prestige) and GT5 (a-spec lvl 36)
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Did Chad B ever get his review posted?

I haven't seen it anywhere and I don't see mention of 847 on his review page: http://hdtvbychadb.com/resources/tv-reviews

I sure wish he would post it as I'm holding off on the 70le847 until I see some decent reviews.
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Got an email from Turbe today that ControlCal now officially supports this set. ...in case anybody is interested...

Read back on the previous page, you'll see that ControlCal sets up two more viewing modes: ISF Day and ISF Night. I'm gonna calibrate these tonight and post back here the results so stay tuned. Also, no more fumbling through the sharp on-screen menus when using ControlCal.
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I sure wish he would post it as I'm holding off on the 70le847 until I see some decent reviews.

I posted some charts here of what the set's capable of in Movie mode here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1390886/sharp-aquos-70-calibration#post_22149321
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Read back on the previous page, you'll see that ControlCal sets up two more viewing modes: ISF Day and ISF Night. I'm gonna calibrate these tonight and post back here the results so stay tuned. Also, no more fumbling through the sharp on-screen menus when using ControlCal.

Yep. Already got'em. smile.gif
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CGGorman, How'd they calibrate up?
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Good, but not visibly different than what Standard or Movie mode can deliver.
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i didn't calibrate standard. does it force expanded gamut? could you get the color dialed in as well as movie? did your gamma for standard come out as flat as movie?
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I can't remember if it forced expanded, but colors were pretty good. Gamma comes out flat as a board in every mode I've calibrated. All my results, impressions, and screen shots are posted earlier in this thread.
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Here's my calibration using CalMan 4, a new D3 and ControlCal to access the ISF day mode:

You can see that OOTB, it's pushing blue and the gamut is off. Note that the ISF modes activated by ControlCal in the set cannot be modified through the TV menu like the other viewing modes can be. But you select them just like Movie, game, user, standard, etc. You have to use ControlCal to do it adjust them.

I'll front load my summary by saying it is worth it to use controlcal on the 70C8470U. This mode was far easier to calibrate than using the other TV preset viewing modes (I like movie, but ISF is better on gamut - see my other post with setting to compare) using the IP ControlCal interface. It is way easier to navigate and make changes especially setting the CMS and the 10point white balance.

I've included screen shots at the end of the main controls and the settings I ended up with. Note that you can save these setting to your computer, share them with other users and reload should you have work done on your display that blows away the calibration. Also you don't need a cable but can use IP to access your display if it's on your LAN.

I'm a *very* happy customer with ControlCal and I like the ISF calibrated mode on my display.

Best,
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So I called for status on my case with the ghosting today. The Sharp specialist said there were no updates from the 2 assigned engineers. He said he would try to get back to me sometime next week.

I went to best buy tonight to get another pair of glasses. The vt50 got bumped off its display for a new 90" sharp 745 series TV. Wow that thing looks big.

Too bad it wasn't ready for demos yet. A price that made the elite look cheap at 10k even. I might have to bring in my source to try 3d on that huge display. It screamed man cave.

I also ordered 6 pair of children's 3D glasses this week. I'll reply in the thread if they work and where I got them. I found two sources for what looks to be the same pair of childrens universal 3d glasses, 2012 model.
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on the 632 series it's reported to be about 80ms in game mode and about 2x that in movie mode: LINK

That's a whole different set than this one and that seems way too high. Sharp has always built their TV's with gamers in mind.

These sets get around 30ms for input lag which for most gamers is more than fine.
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Just checking in. This thread keeps growing and my notifications aren't coming thru. frown.gif
Still loving my 847.

Same here, since the new website update I cannot get notifications by email, even if I hit the Subscribe button.
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That's a whole different set than this one and that seems way too high. Sharp has always built their TV's with gamers in mind.
These sets get around 30ms for input lag which for most gamers is more than fine.

Ask the question of the guy that posted. Found anyone in this thread that can confirm 30ms for this set? Agreed that sharp is well known for low lag, but I've not seen numbers for this set.
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Can someone please post the breakdown from this post (#968), I don't have Word so I can't open the attachment.

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"Here you go, you will have to scroll down to GC's settings.

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Hi guys,
I updated my calibration increasing the gray luminance. here's the isf day viewing mode calibrated with controlcal results. I will comment about a difference between the isf modes and other viewing modes, is that only 120Hz high , low or off is available in isf day/night. in low or off, I'm also being distracted by intermittent judder, for like a second or so. Someone else commented that it's "jarring" when it happens and I agree.

I'm still distracted by the flashlighting in the lower left corner. during the day or evenings when not critically viewing, I'm not distracted. Pop in a bluray for critical viewing with the bias lighting and I'm alternating between being blown away by sharp detail, rich colors and being distracted by the flashlighting during dark scenes. I bought from costco and am in week 3 of the 90 day evaluation period.

I've already moved down in size from a 73'' to the 70. right now, the only alternative I'd consider is the 65GT50. I have 50ST30 in the bedroom that's been flawless. not perfectly accurate (not nearly as good as the sharp), but acceptable and definitely free of distracting artifacts, like the flashlighting and judder.

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So I called for status on my case with the ghosting today. The Sharp specialist said there were no updates from the 2 assigned engineers. He said he would try to get back to me sometime next week.
I went to best buy tonight to get another pair of glasses. The vt50 got bumped off its display for a new 90" sharp 745 series TV. Wow that thing looks big.
Too bad it wasn't ready for demos yet. A price that made the elite look cheap at 10k even. I might have to bring in my source to try 3d on that huge display. It screamed man cave.
I also ordered 6 pair of children's 3D glasses this week. I'll reply in the thread if they work and where I got them. I found two sources for what looks to be the same pair of childrens universal 3d glasses, 2012 model.

jhuehne, keep us posted on how the children's 3D glasses work out. Which model did you end up buying?

Thanks
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jhuehne, keep us posted on how the children's 3D glasses work out. Which model did you end up buying?
Thanks

I'm not even sure of a model # on these. They are made in China and some of the boxes just have Chinese writing on them. I had a deal setup to order directly from a Chinese distributor, but ordered elsewhere for cheaper. They still have not arrived and I will report back.
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