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post #631 of 1369 Old 01-21-2013, 09:50 AM
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I wanted to get some clarification about this set: does it display 24p sources natively i.e. 5:5 pulldown, or does it use 3:2 pulldown like a 60hz set?


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Was also debating btw 600 and 640, and decided for 600 last week since i didnt need smart fxns and extra calibration settings for an additional $300. Definitely needed to tweak settings out of box but picture quality is just as good as 640 i saw on display. have fios cable and ps3, both look great. Not sure about commentary stating that 640 picture is better since it is essentially same video hardware as 600. True that 640 has more calibration settings.

Make sure store you're buying it from has good return policy, most likely you'll be returning it. Besides lack of adjustments and wifi for whatever reason 600 picture overall is far from 640.
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Thanks. Ordering the 6400 today.
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Yeah as much as I wanted to save the $300 - I'm going with the 640 as well
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Other than the terrible motion enhancement I think you guys will be very happy with your purchases!
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Other than the terrible motion enhancement I think you guys will be very happy with your purchases!

The motion enhancement was a non-issue for me in setting up my 640... I just turned off all of that crap, and am enjoying a very natural, realistic video reproduction.

Oh, and the more comprehensive tweaking via advanced adjustments was crucial in setting up my unit; I could have never gotten color reproduction even close to accurate without these settings that the 640 model allows for.
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Are the best settings for this TV close from one TV to another? I have never really tinkered too much with my TVs but it sounds like it is a must do. Could some people share their settings so that I could use them as a base setting for when I set mine up?
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Are the best settings for this TV close from one TV to another? I have never really tinkered too much with my TVs but it sounds like it is a must do. Could some people share their settings so that I could use them as a base setting for when I set mine up?

There are many settings already posted in this thread.
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Picked up a 70" 640 last week. Overall, very pleased so far. Nice affordable upgrade over my Sony SXRD 60XBR1.

Question about Motion Enhancement. In Game mode, or other modes with ME turned off, is this set basically operating at a 60hz refresh rate? Does anybody see an improvement when ME is set to "120 hz low"? Or, does the panel have a built-in native 120 hz refresh, and ME just adds some goofy processing that does more harm than good?

So far, I think I like Game mode the best. But I would hate to think it's handling motion at only 60hz refresh.

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I ordered my online so that it would be delivered. I went to the local costco today to make sure that I made the right choice after I made the purchase haha.

Anyway the TV looked great until a football. Clip came on. The ball blurred across the screen and the legs were a blur from players running.

I hope this was simply because they had some messed up settings. Does anyone know specifically which setting would do/undo this?
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Picked up a 70" 640 last week. Overall, very pleased so far. Nice affordable upgrade over my Sony SXRD 60XBR1.

Question about Motion Enhancement. In Game mode, or other modes with ME turned off, is this set basically operating at a 60hz refresh rate? Does anybody see an improvement when ME is set to "120 hz low"? Or, does the panel have a built-in native 120 hz refresh, and ME just adds some goofy processing that does more harm than good?

So far, I think I like Game mode the best. But I would hate to think it's handling motion at only 60hz refresh.

Thanks,

Game mode is a straight 60. It is the only way the set will definatly disable any motion processing. I find with such a large display as this game mode stutter is very noticeable.

I compromised by using movie, with film mode set to 1 and motion enhancement off. It's not flawless, as there is some quirky stutters here and there but it's not. Nearly like watching the frame by frame effect I notice with game.

By no means is this set perfect. Visually it's stunning, motion wise it can be a nightmare depending on your OCD.

My suggestion is the sooner you accept it, the sooner you can enjoy the content and not the flaws. Getting the set at a good price sure helped this for me.

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Ummmm. So are you stating there is now way to get rid of the stuttering/blur in a football game. If that's so....this TV will have to be returned.

I really hope that this is not the case.
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I have the 70" model of the 640u; I opt for the "user" mode, setting the basic adjustments with Disney WOW, and tweaking the color with the advanced section of the disc, and using the advanced color settings.

ALL video processing - motion enhancement, active contrast, film mode, DNR, and OPC - are turned off. I do not notice any motion problems on any content, from action movies on blu-ray and cable, to sporting events ( basketball, football, tennis, and I'll know more about baseball this spring)... No blurring or jerkiness noticed, period.

My advice is to forget about all of the preset "modes"; use your own specified settings (you can use a different user setting for every input), turn off all of the crap mentioned above, and get yourself a decent calibration disc to set your basics.
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these sets (640, 732, 847, etc) are picky about what resolution you input and how the settings are set. above comments regarding game mode disabling any motion enhancment is right on, but that mode will push blue and you can't calibrate it to D65K.

Others have noticed stuttering and blurs. Here's a short list of what has worked for others (and me):
1) for cable/sat, output 1080i, set AVR to through if you're using one, film mode off, motion enhancement off. NB film mode on give uber high SOE
2) for cable/sat, output natively and let AVR upconvert to 1080p turn film mode on lowest setting (this was another persons solution in another thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1444880/sharp-motion-enhancement-film-mode-stuck-on/30 see post #47

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Hi All,
I was about to get a 55" Samsung ES6100 when I saw the 60" Sharp 640U on sale at Best Buy for $1099. That's $200 less than the larger Sharp. This seems like a great deal as I don't care about 3D and the Sharp seems to have the other features I want.

But then I saw the CNET REVIEW that makes the 640U sound horrible. Now I'm confused. I know that videophiles see things in images that I'll never notice, but that article makes it sound really bad.

For those of you that have a 640U, are you still happy with it, or do you wish you had ponied up a little more money for a different model/brand?

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ps - This TV is for 90% normal TV viewing, 10% movies, and occasionally an Xbox game. The room is bright enough during the day that I don't really want a plasma.
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Cnet gave the LC-60LE640U a rating of "Very good." I'm not sure how that equates to "the CNET REVIEW that makes the 640U sound horrible." The more expensive siblings got less favorable reviews.
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Cnet gave the LC-60LE640U a rating of "Very good." I'm not sure how that equates to "the CNET REVIEW that makes the 640U sound horrible." The more expensive siblings got less favorable reviews.

You're correct that it says "Very Good" but the write-up criticizes the black levels, uniformity, backlighting cycling on and off. I'd like to hear what normal people think about their TVs.
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Pretty happy with my 70" 640 so far. Uniformity is not 100% perfect, but very good overall -- minor clouding/flashlighting is only visible with no source material and room lights off. Video processing is not the best (motion handling & 24fps handling). But, overall I like the TV a lot more than I thought I would. Way better than my Sony SXRD 60XBR1 ever was.

CNET gave the Sharp 640 a score of "7" in the performance category..... beats out the Samsung LEDs & Vizio E-series. Sometimes David emphasizes the bad more than the good in his text. Read CNET's review of the Samsung 6500 series -- the Sharp 640 outperforms it.
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Pretty happy with my 70" 640 so far. Uniformity is not 100% perfect, but very good overall -- minor clouding/flashlighting is only visible with no source material and room lights off. Video processing is not the best (motion handling & 24fps handling). But, overall I like the TV a lot more than I thought I would. Way better than my Sony SXRD 60XBR1 ever was.

CNET gave the Sharp 640 a score of "7" in the performance category..... beats out the Samsung LEDs & Vizio E-series. Sometimes David emphasizes the bad more than the good in his text. Read CNET's review of the Samsung 6500 series -- the Sharp 640 outperforms it.

Great news....and when you watch something like football you can get rid of the blurry ball and player motions by altering the settings?
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Great news....and when you watch something like football you can get rid of the blurry ball and player motions by altering the settings?

Like pretty much everyone else posting here, I am getting the best motion handling results using Game mode with all processing, incl Motion Enhancement, turned off. Sometimes, Standard mode with "120hz low" turned on does look better. However, I do think now that fast sports work best on Game mode with everything off -- kinda strange since the 120 hz is supposed to help. I watched the Ravens/Patriots game on this TV, and switched between Standard mode & Game mode. In Standard mode (120hz low) I could occasionally see a ghost football on fast passes. In Game mode, that went away. Despite not using the 120hz, I have not noticed motion blurring or any drawbacks from watching with all processing off. I am very pleased with the picture overall --- accurate color, deep blacks, and clear, bright whites. Picture is easily equal to my Sony 52XBR9 and 46NX800, and a definite upgrade from my old Sony SXRD. And the 70" size is awesome. I started with the CNET settings, and tweaked from there to my taste.

Like the CNET review, I do agree that the processing is not as good as others like Samsung/Sony. But I think this TV can't be beat for a 70" led/lcd under $2000.
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Awesome. It is a relief to hear that. Especially since the Vizio just dropped off to $1500...right after I bought the sharp.

Pumped to be getting the TV....but can not even turn it on until I move on 3/2. Such a bummer!
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Awesome. It is a relief to hear that. Especially since the Vizio just dropped off to $1500...right after I bought the sharp.

Pumped to be getting the TV....but can not even turn it on until I move on 3/2. Such a bummer!

From what I have read about the E series 70" Vizio, it is also a pretty nice TV for the money. Overall, I think the Sharp 640 is probably a bit better. Sharp 640 pluses over the Vizio -- better color, blacks, screen uniformity, & slightly better overall picture performance. Vizio pluses over the Sharp: better processing (incl motion handling), better laid out menus, and better App selection/"smart" TV function.
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For anyone experiencing clouding this might stir up an argument but I've found great results massaging this display to even out/remove clouding.

Just used a microfiber clothe and with a circling motion and a gentle pressure I worked my way around the areas that were affected.

It's been a week and a half and iam very happy with the results. The clouding is a non issue now!

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With the current sale prices I went into HHGregg and took a serious look at the 70" 640u. I was pretty impressed. The sales guy even had a USB stick with short films and trailers that we could watch instead of the overly split satellite signal.

Now here comes the question, who got the extended warranty and was it worth it? They were willing to drop the price a little bit more if I got a warranty, but a 3 year warranty was almost $400. 5 years was almost $500.
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I get 5 years warranty from costco for $99!
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I get 5 years warranty from costco for $99!
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....and the 6400U I purchased was 1999. If you are not yet a costco member you may want to become one now. In addition to the normal savings I get 2% back at the end of the year...you can get more back if you utilize a costco AMEX.
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....and the 6400U I purchased was 1999. If you are not yet a costco member you may want to become one now. In addition to the normal savings I get 2% back at the end of the year...you can get more back if you utilize a costco AMEX.

Exactly what I did also. $1,999 for TV, executive member, used Costco Amex and bought 5 year warranty for $99. Love the TV after running some calibration settings found in this forum. Picture was less than impressive (disappointing actually) out of the box but spending a little time with the picture settings made a HUGE difference.

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Sounds like a good deal with Costco! The closest to us is 45min away, a second one a bit farther away. Both are out of stock and will not be stocking them anymore. Bummer.

They still have them online, has anyone bought something this large from them online and had it shipped? It's free 7-10 shipping and I don't need it in a rush, I'm just always concerned about something like this being beat up by FedEx/UPS/USPS.
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Sounds like a good deal with Costco! The closest to us is 45min away, a second one a bit farther away. Both are out of stock and will not be stocking them anymore. Bummer.

They still have them online, has anyone bought something this large from them online and had it shipped? It's free 7-10 shipping and I don't need it in a rush, I'm just always concerned about something like this being beat up by FedEx/UPS/USPS.

Costco will ship this TV appropriately, there is no reason to worry. Make sure you inspect TV for damages on arrival and power it on to make sure it works.
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I shipped mine but will not be opening it for a month. Costco has a 90 day return policy no questions asked....so I'm not worried whatsoever.
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