Originally Posted by Anthony5362
I always thought that Cinema black which is on the D8000 was Software and not hardware..
Don't just take my word for it. The following is a quote from the D8000 thread. It explains it a little better. MKANET is explaining here why this fellow's Euro D8000 did not have the Cinema Black feature: Because it did not have hardware dimming.
Originally Posted by MKANET
I agree that they should have made these two settings the same name. However, they aren't the same TV, hardware wise. European D8000 LCD's don't have the ability to independently turn OFF/ON each individual LEDs; which is needed to prevent clouding/flashlighting when dealing with video content that has partially black backgrounds. American D8000 LCD feature is known as "microdimming plus
". Euro D8000's LCD TV's perform exactly like D7000s LCD TV's; which have basic "microdimming" (LCDs have to be on at all times; only can be dimmed). The only way the LCDs turn off completely is when there's a completely black background (which all LCDs turn off at the same time).
On another note, the 65D8000 didn't have Cinema Black either, but that was because it was top/bottom edge lit, not side-lit like the other 2011 models (it was more akin to the C series LED models from 2010).
The ES series is side lit as were the 2011 models, to avoid confusion, but it lacks the ability to independently dim its LED's. Minus the new features, the ES sets are more akin to the D7000 & Euro D8000 televisions, but with roughly twice the software
dimming zones than the D8000 models
It is possible that they could add a software based version of a Cinema Black feature in the future but it would only dim the LED's as MKANET said, it wouldn't turn them off completely.
Just to see how much software dimming actually makes a difference for dimming letterbox bars/blacks etc...try using a feature like Black Enhancer in Movie Mode to see how close this set can come to dimming parts of the screen without overly
crushing blacks (Don't use Real Black Pro or Dynamic Contrast though which can badly
crush blacks). That's about as good as it's gonna get with software dimming. They can add more dimming zones via an upgrade, for more pinpoint accuracy and image enhancement, but this set will never be able to actually turn off its LED's.
As for making blacks even blacker, we're kind of just stuck with a more aggressive version of CE Dimming which automatically dims the backlight (but also masks uniformity/clouding/flashlighting issues) for dark scenes. It will make your blacks a lot blacker but also dims whatever else is going on in the picture (which is why most people hate it). I don't mind it too much though, considering we don't have any sort of hardware dimming.
The D8000 did have hardware dimming and didn't really have too many problems with CE Dimming (if it had CE Dimming at all). I didn't remember seeing it on the set I had, or anyone complaining about it so I did a search on that thread and got 0 hits for CE Dimming, and for "Auto Dimming" I got a couple hits but it was just people coming from the C series asking if it was still an issue.
When you watched credits on a D8000, or had any white text on a black background, the text was bright just like it was supposed to be. I'd say if CE Dimming is absolutely just driving you insane, you should "upgrade" to a D8000 (and PRAY that you get a set without banding/uniformity issues) or $UPGRADE$ to the new ES9000.
As for myself, I understand the purpose of CE Dimming even if its not perfect by a long shot, and I don't spend time watching credits/obsessing over how it affects a few minutes out of the entire movie I'm watching. Now having said all that, I'd still like the option to have it on or off if I want, and the option to use Micro Dimming Ultimate in Movie Mode