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Thanks for the commentary, much appreciated.
I understand the thoughts on Brightness and Contrast. Good idea on the contrast. The issue is my set seems to clip red (and sometimes blue) if I crank up contrast. I could probably fix this with some better color settings that might then allow me to move up contrast and drop backlight.
One question about the Gamma and 10p white balance and increasing the RGB values. I haven't looked at 10p White Balance before so I just went in. Are you suggest that for Interval 1 bumping up the setting for Red, Blue and Green? And also doing that for Interval 2? How much should each one be bumped up?
More importantly, what is this adjusting?

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If you have clipping, then it would not be good to increase contrast. But I think it would be difficult to know if you have clipping without measurement. Also, the clipping affects the white, so color setting would not help much. If your peak white looks OK when you increase contrast, that would probably be OK.
CORRECTION: If there is clipping at peak white, then color correction is bad because it also affects the lower luminance which is not clipped, and it is more important to keep the color correct at lower luminance.

The 10p at interval 1 and 2 would make a change in brightness of dark shades. You could e.g. try RGB +2,+2,+2 at interval 1 (Interval 1 is IRE10% which is 0.6% of peak white luminance); RGB +1,+1,+1 at interval 2, leave interval3 0,0,0.
Then lower gamma e.g to +1 or 0. Then overall you have a more balanced picture, not so washed out. But you brighten up the dark scenes.
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despite some of the issues some people are having with the 60es8000 I bit the bullet and bought rolleyes.gif one, I read some of the threads here I notice everyone has a TS01 panel what about the HS01? does anyone have any info? very minmal clouding in the lower left corner nothing that would bother me or anyone else now this is just with an 1 hour of watching the tv. all thoughts are welcome any settings would help to smile.gif
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here's a couple more of ending credits, these pics were taken with my iphone.
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hello slopokeR
Looks very good!
The credits are good to check if you have backlight bleeding. But you have to check with picture mode set to movie.
With picture mode set to standard, during credits the picture is dimmed and you dont see the real backlight bleeding.
There is no dimming with picture mode movie.
What picture mode and backlight setting did you use in the pictures from your post?
If it was standard, can you post a picture with credits using movie mode and report backlight setting?
Thanks.

Actually, because of backlight bleeding during credits in movie mode, myself I prefer standard mode.
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I had and have very minimal clouding too and have the 60" HS01 panel. Good luck and enjoy it!
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what screen size?

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hello slopokeR
Looks very good!
The credits are good to check if you have backlight bleeding. But you have to check with picture mode set to movie.
With picture mode set to standard, during credits the picture is dimmed and you dont see the real backlight bleeding.
There is no dimming with picture mode movie.
What picture mode and backlight setting did you use in the pictures from your post?
If it was standard, can you post a picture with credits using movie mode and report backlight setting?
Thanks.
Actually, because of backlight bleeding during credits in movie mode, myself I prefer standard mode.
these pics were taken in standard mode with 11 backlight, I'll take some pics in movie mode tonight.
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Quick update, I got my panel replacement (UE65ES8000) but the vertical banding is almost the same.
I have decided to live with it and enjoy the TV, although watching a soccer match isn't very enjoyable. rolleyes.gif

Time to calibrate the TV.. Can somebody post Nitra's settings?
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Quick update, I got my panel replacement (UE65ES8000) but the vertical banding is almost the same.
I have decided to live with it and enjoy the TV, although watching a soccer match isn't very enjoyable. rolleyes.gif
Time to calibrate the TV.. Can somebody post Nitra's settings?

Sorry to hear about that. My replacement came in with minimal vertical banding. Some settings can help mitigate the problem. it seems to be hit and miss with the UN65ES8000 but a larger screen is just nicer compared to a smaller screen, IMHO.

If you read back through this thread, someone commented that a users recommended setting helped with his VB. Best of luck.

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Some pictures from the calibration. Movie Mode.This from my HD Sat receiver . This is with my cell phone camera....it looks different when posted here so not that great of a presentation from what I'm seeing on screen.
I tried your settings this weekend and must say your standard settings are nice, a pinch low on white balance but over all good color. I set my backlight at 20 and eco at 2. I see some flashlighting in the corners when back light is over 10 but my room is low light so eco keeps it lower unless the curtains are open.

Movie settings dont work on my set atall., they're super washed out and dim.

thanks for sharing

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Sorry to hear about that. My replacement came in with minimal vertical banding. Some settings can help mitigate the problem. it seems to be hit and miss with the UN65ES8000 but a larger screen is just nicer compared to a smaller screen, IMHO.
If you read back through this thread, someone commented that a users recommended setting helped with his VB. Best of luck.

Sorry to hear that, got3nks. A few pages ago, someone mentioned the settings I use and posted helped a lot with their banding. I can't confirm this though because I don't have a 65" with that issue. If you're interested in trying them, you can find the direct link to them by clicking on my name - or just go to page 117.
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Quick update, I got my panel replacement (UE65ES8000) but the vertical banding is almost the same.
I have decided to live with it and enjoy the TV, although watching a soccer match isn't very enjoyable. rolleyes.gif
Time to calibrate the TV.. Can somebody post Nitra's settings?

I'd recommend exchanging it for the Sony 65X950. I had 2 es8000 sets and the banding made it nearly unwatchable... especially considering its price.

People seem to be raving about the Sony 65!
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Some pictures from the calibration. Movie Mode.This from my HD Sat receiver . This is with my cell phone camera....it looks different when posted here so not that great of a presentation from what I'm seeing on screen.
I tried your settings this weekend and must say your standard settings are nice, a pinch low on white balance but over all good color. I set my backlight at 20 and eco at 2. I see some flashlighting in the corners when back light is over 10 but my room is low light so eco keeps it lower unless the curtains are open.
Movie settings dont work on my set atall., they're super washed out and dim.
thanks for sharing

An example of why sharing settings is not always a good idea. Each set, even within the same model line, has tolerance differences on the various components which affect the overall pq. Combine that with different viewing environments and you could make your tv worse and think it's the tv. It's always best to get a calibration disk like WoW, the free AVS HD 709 disk or others and at the very least set your own the basics. Those can be adjusted quite successfully without the use of meters and sometimes is all you need.
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Sorry to hear that, got3nks. A few pages ago, someone mentioned the settings I use and posted helped a lot with their banding. I can't confirm this though because I don't have a 65" with that issue. If you're interested in trying them, you can find the direct link to them by clicking on my name - or just go to page 117.
Thank you Garnoch! I will try your settings.
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I'd recommend exchanging it for the Sony 65X950. I had 2 es8000 sets and the banding made it nearly unwatchable... especially considering its price.
People seem to be raving about the Sony 65!
Unfortuntely, the 10 days return period is over for me. Additionaly, the Sony 950 is not on sale here in Italy, I could get the 920 but I heard it suffers of VB too.
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I'd recommend exchanging it for the Sony 65X950. I had 2 es8000 sets and the banding made it nearly unwatchable... especially considering its price.
People seem to be raving about the Sony 65!

What about the 3D viewing? I heard NOT good on the Sony HX950....
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Turboman,

I posted the YouTube settings for the 60ES8000 from my cell phone when I completed the calibration....that's usually all I keep...don't keep reports. I even have done this with my JVC DLA-HD950 D-ILA Projector. Just something to go back to if a reset is done when I feel I have got the best picture from the calibration. I see some people have tried the setting and worked for them and some that haven't shared setting's general may be close or very far off for that matter....just to many factors. I have put away my equipment and don't have the time for much more experimenting.....sorry work is getting in the way. smile.gif

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Some pictures from the calibration. Movie Mode.This from my HD Sat receiver . This is with my cell phone camera....it looks different when posted here so not that great of a presentation from what I'm seeing on screen.
I tried your settings this weekend and must say your standard settings are nice, a pinch low on white balance but over all good color. I set my backlight at 20 and eco at 2. I see some flashlighting in the corners when back light is over 10 but my room is low light so eco keeps it lower unless the curtains are open.
Movie settings dont work on my set atall., they're super washed out and dim.
thanks for sharing

This is why sharing setting's should be used as an experiment......I think the movie setting on my TV is the better setting for me to watch. Even with my crappy cell phone camera the pictures don't look washed out on my set......and if they did I would have fixed it.. wink.gif

Movie Mode setting pictures post earlier in thread

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I don't know where "Standby" is on the TV. I'm talking about auto updates to the firmware (I don't want any). The first time I fired it up I did get a message like "your firmware is out of date, do you want an update?". I said yes, and it's 1034 now. But some have claimed they woke up in the morning and new firware was installed automatically. That seems unlikely, but I don't know. My Windows PC used to do it automatically. My iMac asks me. My Samsung Galaxy Nexus phone does it automatically. My apps can update auto, but I shut that off (they want to update something like every day, it's obnoxious). It seems noone knows how this works around here.

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What about the 3D viewing? I heard NOT good on the Sony HX950....

Not sure yet. My Sony arrives tomorrow. I only use 3d to show off to family and friends because its kind of cool... but 3d isn't important to me. I have a newer A/V receiver yet it doesn't support 3D which means my Blu Ray and DirecTV are limited to 2d. I can stream 3d content but then I lose my surround sound through my A/V receiver.
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Not sure yet. My Sony arrives tomorrow. I only use 3d to show off to family and friends because its kind of cool... but 3d isn't important to me. I have a newer A/V receiver yet it doesn't support 3D which means my Blu Ray and DirecTV are limited to 2d. I can stream 3d content but then I lose my surround sound through my A/V receiver.

Good luck with the Sony. It wasn't available when I was looking to purchase plus it's $1,500 pricier than the Samsung 65UNES8000 that I bought.

Finally got a set that has very minimal vertical banding. Extremely happy with the PQ and especially the 3D - - which surprised me - - it was not the reason I bought the TV. But the 3D has turned out to be a really fun & immersing experience. I ended up joining 3D Bluray Rental and just got my first movie (Journey 2: The Mysterious Island) with Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter & Prometheus soon on their way.

Surprised to hear about your AV not being able to handle 3D.

Are you sure you can't get a software update for the AV that you have? Are you sure that it is flat out, non capable of 3D? I would think that most companies would manufacturer a forward thinking AV to handle 3D to protect your purchase & investment in their equipment.

It seems a shame (no matter what set you buy) that you can't enjoy 3D. It's very cool (from a previous non-fan of 3D!)

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I have a two year old Yamaha Receiver. I love the receiver but it doesn't do 3D... which means my XBOX 360, Blu Ray Player and DirecTV will be 2D only. (wife won't let me upgrade after dropping 5k on a TV)

So for 2D only, I'm really happy with the 'incoming' Sony. Of course, this can all change 24 hours from now...
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I have a two year old Yamaha Receiver. I love the receiver but it doesn't do 3D... which means my XBOX 360, Blu Ray Player and DirecTV will be 2D only. (wife won't let me upgrade after dropping 5k on a TV)
So for 2D only, I'm really happy with the 'incoming' Sony. Of course, this can all change 24 hours from now...

Understood - - especially the better half upgrade restriction. I have a two year old Yamaha RX-A2000 - - but it is 3D capable. It seems a shame to spend so much dollars for a great TV and not be able to use all its capabilities.

You sure we can't start a new thread called "Upgrade CaneDawgg Please Mrs. Dawgg" to help you with your marketing efforts? Just kidding....smile.gif

Best of luck with the new Sony. A lot of people have raved about it.

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I tried out Avatar 3D and didn't have the same issue -- started up in 3D and no issues with playing in 3D on my Oppo 93. I did update the Oppo firmware a few hours before trying it out. Don't know if you got any answers in the Oppo thread or if others are seeing it, but I did not.

The new Oppo firmware fixed the problem, without having to set the Oppo 3D to 'forced.'
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Cglenn beat me to it.
No probs for me from BDP 93 -->Pioneer Elite 53-->7500.

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Hi guys. I will take delivery of my new 65" 8000 from BB Thurs. Having had a very positive experience with my 40"Sammy LN S4095, I only thought to check this thread after I put in the order. eek.gif I've read most of this thread as well as the Amazon mixed reviews and I'm concerned. I'm thinking that I'll insist the Geeks unpack it and get it running so I can test it while they install the wallmount.

I've taken some notes off the thread posts but I'm pretty much a newbie on video. Although I did tweak my current Sammie's settings by eye years ago using one or two of the calibration discs that came with an Oppo player (AIX, S&M and DVE). That TV is getting on to 5 yrs but still looks great, though it's obviously too small for me at 10'. I have a fam rm/HT with curtains on all but one large high window so when they deliver the TV the room will be pretty bright unless I climb up there with a blanket. DSCN4951.JPG 823k .JPG file .

So here's my humble request. Given that I want to be able to accept or reject the TV on the spot, I'm wondering if one of you video gurus please provide a simple step by step set of tests that the uninitiated can peform to show whether the extent of any problems such as banding, flashlighting, clouding, etc. I think this could be helpful for other new owners too. TIA!

If the TV passes inspection I'll have about 10 days before my 30 d return policy is up to test it further. That's also the deadline for chosing between the Sq Trade $100 or BB $580 4yr warranty.
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Another video newb question:
My DenonAVR A100/4311 passes 3D but my Denon DBPA100/4010 universal 3Dplayer does not. I'm not parting with that wonderful player just to get 3D especially since I may or may not really like 3D. So I'm considering getting an inexpensive but decent 3D player basically just for 3D.

Question: Given this TV, is there any reason to chose, or not chose, a Samsung player, like the 5900?

or is the Sony S590 a good/better option?

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This is why sharing setting's should be used as an experiment......I think the movie setting on my TV is the better setting for me to watch. Even with my crappy cell phone camera the pictures don't look washed out on my set......and if they did I would have fixed it.. wink.gif
Movie Mode setting pictures post earlier in thread
yeh i know you're movie pictures look great

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hello slopokeR
Looks very good!
The credits are good to check if you have backlight bleeding. But you have to check with picture mode set to movie.
With picture mode set to standard, during credits the picture is dimmed and you dont see the real backlight bleeding.
There is no dimming with picture mode movie.
What picture mode and backlight setting did you use in the pictures from your post?
If it was standard, can you post a picture with credits using movie mode and report backlight setting?
Thanks.
Actually, because of backlight bleeding during credits in movie mode, myself I prefer standard mode.
here's a few pics they are in movie mode with 11 backlight I can see a little more clouding but still not enough to take away from the pic. also tried to get one with banding in it but I can't seem to see it. can you?
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here's a few pics they are in movie mode with 11 backlight I can see a little more clouding but still not enough to take away from the pic. also tried to get one with banding in it but I can't seem to see it. can you?

yes, that looks very good
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Flashlight??? I have the hs01 panel, FW at the original 0010013, tv set to movie mode and loving it. The only tweak I need is to reduce the flashlight effect (that is more pronounced in left side)....Does anyone have suggestions?

My flashight looks exactly like Slopokes pic above...Every tv has it's issue. The flashlight to me has been the most , for lack of a better word, sever, but it has not caused a moment of buyer remorse. Amazing tv, amazing pic in 2d....crazy siiiick 3d....love it.

Side bar; the floor model of the 65' 8000 at the BB Bethel Park PA store is absolutely exquisite....should someone wanna make a road trip over there and take it!!!

Love for all things Hi-def...Losing count; 200 plus bluray, 500 plus dvd, 30 plus HDdvd and a rapidly growing 50 plus in the cloud.

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