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Did the 65 inch ever come with an ultra-slim bezel? Hard to know what size that Amazon picture is, as they dont separate reviews based on size. Perhaps up to 60 inch has the ultra-slim and above that has the wider bezel.
Panel will be on the box and back of the TV on the sticker.

All the 65's I have ever seen have that bezel config. The panel is AH01
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All the 65's I have ever seen have that bezel config. The panel is AH01

That would make sense, the D series 65 inch never had the slim bezel either.

My ES8000 settings, calibrated with an i1D3 and calman:
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That would make sense, the D series 65 inch never had the slim bezel either.

The outer chrome bezel is the same on all. The panel goes all the way to the edge on the 65". What you see that appears to be an edge on the screen surface is under, not on top of the panel. It can't be seen with the TV off.
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The panel and the bezel are one in the same on these TVs. When you get a new panel, it replaces pretty much the entire TV other than the power board and processor board in the back. By bezel I mean the chrome and the black buffer area.

My ES8000 settings, calibrated with an i1D3 and calman:
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The panel and the bezel are one in the same on these TVs. When you get a new panel, it replaces pretty much the entire TV other than the power board and processor board in the back. By bezel I mean the chrome and the black buffer area.

Correct on the panel replacement. Been there.
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The panel and the bezel are one in the same on these TVs. When you get a new panel, it replaces pretty much the entire TV other than the power board and processor board in the back. By bezel I mean the chrome and the black buffer area.

I agree with you on this and that is why I beleive the change happen on later production units. Because I absolutly sure that the bezel plus the black buffer area was thinner on the previous TV I got before the exchange. This really suck, Samsung should not do this type of style modifications to fix panel problems without advertising the change.

The idea of spending X amount of money on a TV is base on a set of features that you put together to justify the investment. On my particular situation one of the features I liked about the TV was the almost edgeless frame :-(.

I wonder if anyone else can confirm what I'm seeing or have notice or read about it.
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I agree with you on this and that is why I beleive the change happen on later production units. Because I absolutly sure that the bezel plus the black buffer area was thinner on the previous TV I got before the exchange. This really suck, Samsung should not do this type of style modifications to fix panel problems without advertising the change.
The idea of spending X amount of money on a TV is base on a set of features that you put together to justify the investment. On my particular situation one of the features I liked about the TV was the almost edgeless frame :-(.
I wonder if anyone else can confirm what I'm seeing or have notice or read about it.

How long have you had your set?
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How long have you had your set?

The first one was from July production if I dont mistake. The replacement that arrived last saturday said is October production.

I think the reason they added I wider black buffer now is to hide flashlight issue. But the outcome of this is that the screen looks smaller because is taking away vieawable area.

If that is the solution they came up with the fine, but they need to tell people about it and advertise the change so you dont end up with something different thatn expected. You can see several UN65ES8000 videos and you will see the original frame was different. Take a look at the CNET video, I know is a 55 inch but it shows what I'm talking about the width fo the buffer with a close up.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un65es8000/4505-6482_7-35118274.html
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The first one was from July production if I dont mistake. The replacement that arrived last saturday said is October production.
I think the reason they added I wider black buffer now is to hide flashlight issue. But the outcome of this is that the screen looks smaller because is taking away vieawable area.
If that is the solution they came up with the fine, but they need to tell people about it and advertise the change so you dont end up with something different thatn expected. You can see several UN65ES8000 videos and you will see the original frame was different. Take a look at the CNET video, I know is a 55 inch but it shows what I'm talking about the width fo the buffer with a close up.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un65es8000/4505-6482_7-35118274.html

Mine never looked like that. July build, replaced panel in Sept. Same config on replacement. About a 1/2" buffer on both.
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Mine never looked like that. July build, replaced panel in Sept. Same config on replacement. About a 1/2" buffer on both.

That is very strange. Oh well I guess at this point I'm stuck with that wide black buffer :-(
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...I know is a 55 inch but it shows what I'm talking about the width fo the buffer with a close up.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un65es8000/4505-6482_7-35118274.html

That has already been mentioned. The 65" has always had the larger black bezel piece surrounding the actual screen. The smaller versions of the tv did not. The pictures you keep referring to are not the 65" version, they are smaller and have a different bezel.

I was expecting the smaller bezel when I got mine because I didn't realize the 65" had a slightly different design, but got over it real quick. Would I prefer to have the same bezel as the 60"? Absolutely! I'm not gonna let it bother me though.

From what understand, the 65" bezel has always been that way.


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That has already been mentioned. The 65" has always had the larger black bezel piece surrounding the actual screen. The smaller versions of the tv did not. The pictures you keep referring to are not the 65" version, they are smaller and have a different bezel.
I was expecting the smaller bezel when I got mine because I didn't realize the 65" had a slightly different design, but got over it real quick. Would I prefer to have the same bezel as the 60"? Absolutely! I'm not gonna let it bother me though.
From what understand, the 65" bezel has always been that way.

I agree. It has never been a bother. I knew it going in. I viewed all three ES 8000 sets nearly side by side.
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All I know is that the picture looked amazing to me on this set before I updated the FW this morning. Now, it looks really dull. Colors look washed out. It looks like it did before the 1035 update when I was about to return it for the Sony. I really wish I knew all this while I still had time to return it. Now Im stuck. This means that the boards and the panel need to be replaced on this new set. That's basically the whole TV

I think I notice the FIrmware issue when I updated today. Nicer colors prior to the update, I'm gogin tot tweak teh picture settings again.
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My 46 inch 7100 has a much thinner bezel. Too bad it now has firmware bugs. Samsung doesn't have it's crap togeather anymore. They lost it several years ago from bad electronics (power-supply Caps way CHEAP and all failed!) as well as bad panels from failed parts to poor workmanship along with ALOT of deceipt with their panel lottery . The potential is still there for a GREAT TV but new personnel is needed ASAP! It seems like all of the 65 inch pictures that have been supplied above all do have that thicker bezel. So far, all provided links to see the other style is in the 55 inch size. I realy don't know for sure though since I haven't really looked closely to this model due to it's cost. Regards to the ES8000 owners. Oh yeah. The main reason I have viewed this forum is I was wondering if there have been any very recent firmware updates that affected the picture at 1080P 60FPS as it has on the 7100 series.
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My 46 inch 7100 has a much thinner bezel. Too bad it now has firmware bugs. Samsung doesn't have it's crap togeather anymore. They lost it several years ago from bad electronics (power-supply Caps way CHEAP and all failed!) as well as bad panels from failed parts to poor workmanship along with ALOT of deceipt with their panel lottery . The potential is still there for a GREAT TV but new personnel is needed ASAP! It seems like all of the 65 inch pictures that have been supplied above all do have that thicker bezel. So far, all provided links to see the other style is in the 55 inch size. I realy don't know for sure though since I haven't really looked closely to this model due to it's cost. Regards to the ES8000 owners. Oh yeah. The main reason I have viewed this forum is I was wondering if there have been any very recent firmware updates that affected the picture at 1080P 60FPS as it has on the 7100 series.

updated tonight. no issues
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I think I notice the FIrmware issue when I updated today. Nicer colors prior to the update, I'm gogin tot tweak teh picture settings again.

Sounds like another "hit & miss" firmware update.

The loss of colors and sharpness/detail happened to me on the last firmware update. I had to "reset" and then wait about 24 to 48 hours before everything settled back to normal. I also had to re-tweak my settings. That was my experience.

Personally - - no more updates for me until I see that they are of value. And it will have to be documented by users & forum members like yourself. I can't be constantly tweaking this picture - - you should be able to and excuse my Ron Popeil quote - - "set it and forget it!"

Right now, the picture is fabulous on my 65" (UN65ES8000). Very, very little banding - - even on golf shots. Older movies like Blade Runner look like they were filmed yesterday. Newer content like 3D Prometheus and 3D Avatar sparkle - - great depth and colors. CNN is back to it's great picture and detail - - right down to the little teeny hairs on Wolf Blitzer's face and Candy Crowley's Craters (sorry Candy.) Boardwalk Empire and Dexter make it seem as if you're part of the picture.

Steady as she goes, mate. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Sounds like another "hit & miss" firmware update.
The loss of colors and sharpness/detail happened to me on the last firmware update. I had to "reset" and then wait about 24 to 48 hours before everything settled back to normal. I also had to re-tweak my settings. That was my experience.
Personally - - no more updates for me until I see that they are of value. And it will have to be documented by users & forum members like yourself. I can't be constantly tweaking this picture - - you should be able to and excuse my Ron Popeil quote - - "set it and forget it!"
Right now, the picture is fabulous on my 65" (UN65ES8000). Very, very little banding - - even on golf shots. Older movies like Blade Runner look like they were filmed yesterday. Newer content like 3D Prometheus and 3D Avatar sparkle - - great depth and colors. CNN is back to it's great picture and detail - - right down to the little teeny hairs on Wolf Blitzer's face and Candy Crowley's Craters (sorry Candy.) Boardwalk Empire and Dexter make it seem as if you're part of the picture.
Steady as she goes, mate. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I agree with you, next time I will wait to get more feedback about the firmwares. If you look at the Samsung webpage all firmwares have the same general release note details wich are useless.

I try to tweak the image back to the way it was before and is almost the same now, but I will try reset and start from scratch.

Did you did a Picture reset ONLY or are full TV reset?
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I agree with you, nex ttime I will wait to get more feedback about the firmwares. If you look at the Smasung webpage all firmwares have the same general release note details wich are useless.
I try to tweak the image back to the way it was before and is almost the same now, but I will try reset and start from scratch.
Did you did a Picture reset ONLY or are full TV reset?

Full reset - - which is kind of a bummer since you lose your settings. Make sure you write them down or if you're like me and a lot of other forum members on this thread - - you know them by heart!

You're right about the Samsung firmware "update" notes - - they're worthless. Another member did a great job providing details on Sammy's updates - - they are all very generic with little substance. Not trying to bash Samsung but this is an area (as well as documentation) that they really need to improve on.

Lastly - - for all of you who updated with no problems, whatsoever. I wanna party with you, cowboy, and maybe take a trip to the casino. You're luck is better than mine!

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I agree with you, nex ttime I will wait to get more feedback about the firmwares. If you look at the Smasung webpage all firmwares have the same general release note details wich are useless.
I try to tweak the image back to the way it was before and is almost the same now, but I will try reset and start from scratch.
Did you did a Picture reset ONLY or are full TV reset?

By the the way I read yesterday on Engadget that samsung sold a historical 1 million plus Smart TVs this year. You will think that by now they will have firmwares under control.
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Samsung should compensate its customers whose only mistake was to be lured by the massive 65" screen and had to go through a hell lot of work for a few months.7.gif

Fully Agree!, at least I was able to get 10% off plus free Wall mounting from Best Buy for the trouble of waiting for more inventory for an exchange :-)
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Full reset - - which is kind of a bummer since you lose your settings. Make sure you write them down or if you're like me and a lot of other forum members on this thread - - you know them by heart!
You're right about the Samsung firmware "update" notes - - they're worthless. Another member did a great job providing details on Sammy's updates - - they are all very generic with little substance. Not trying to bash Samsung but this is an area (as well as documentation) that they really need to improve on.
Lastly - - for all of you who updated with no problems, whatsoever. I wanna party with you, cowboy, and maybe take a trip to the casino. You're luck is better than mine!

Thanks for the info I will do a Full reset when I get back home tonight. I do know my setting by heart :-) so it should take no time to get everything back to normal.
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Full reset - - which is kind of a bummer since you lose your settings. Make sure you write them down or if you're like me and a lot of other forum members on this thread - - you know them by heart!
You're right about the Samsung firmware "update" notes - - they're worthless. Another member did a great job providing details on Sammy's updates - - they are all very generic with little substance. Not trying to bash Samsung but this is an area (as well as documentation) that they really need to improve on.
Lastly - - for all of you who updated with no problems, whatsoever. I wanna party with you, cowboy, and maybe take a trip to the casino. You're luck is better than mine!

Can I ask how you do a full reset buddy? Many thanks.
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Are we seriously getting back on this trend of discussing just how Evil is Samsung? We all did this dance just a month ago and all it did was detract from discussion on technical aspects of getting the most out of our ES8000s. For the love of HD let's just talk about settings, firmware updates, hard resets, ways to reduce flashlighting, movie vs standard and the panopoly of actually interesting and relevant topics!
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I just got my NX20 smart camera and I said I would comment on the allshare function. Well Im not sure if its because the pictures are large files but it's slow over the air compared to through the wire which is expected I guess. The camera needs to be on and in allshare mode for any of my devices to access the files which is a huge bummer. Point being through the wire is the way to go, still useful if you have no hdmi cable around though.

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Can I ask how you do a full reset buddy? Many thanks.

From Catt99 - well done! (How to perform a "Full Reset")

Go into the TV menu. Scroll to and select "Support." Scroll to and select "Self Diagnosis." Get ready to select "Reset." BUT WRITE DOWN YOUR PREFERRED SETTINGS FIRST if you haven't already done so (and do so!)

(Unless you have your settings memorized like most of us by now!)

In my case, it took a while for the changes to take full effect and I had to re-tweak the settings. Hope this helps.

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I'm a "newbie" here for this TV. I just acquired a UN65XES8000. I generally love the picture. We needed a 65-70" set, given our area size. And the Samsung was significantly better that the Sharp we were considering.

I saw the request to update the FW, and performed that without giving it a second thought. Was that a bad move? Also, had updates for the Apps and Browser, which I did. I haven't had any serious issues I've notice. I really have not tried to get through a Calibration, although, I 'soften' the screen to more of my liking. The one think I see is "lightened" corners where they should be darkness on the image - maybe a little bit of clouding. Would doing the reset improve this?

Any advise is welcome.

Thank you, Michael
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I'm a "newbie" here for this TV. I just acquired a UN65XES8000. I generally love the picture. We needed a 65-70" set, given our area size. And the Samsung was significantly better that the Sharp we were considering.
I saw the request to update the FW, and performed that without giving it a second thought. Was that a bad move? Also, had updates for the Apps and Browser, which I did. I haven't had any serious issues I've notice. I really have not tried to get through a Calibration, although, I 'soften' the screen to more of my liking. The one think I see is "lightened" corners where they should be darkness on the image - maybe a little bit of clouding. Would doing the reset improve this?
Any advise is welcome.
Thank you, Michael

Congratulations on the new TV! I see no problems with the "update" you performed as it is usually done when you initially setup your TV.

If you read through this post, you'll see lots of references to "settings" - - some great ones from Nitra and Garnoch (and others). A lot of this is personal preference. It can also take a couple weeks for the set to "settle down" in terms of performance. You can also choose to have it professionally calibrated, but I do not believe it's necessary. Your option.

You'll find a wealth of information on settings, how to use the apps., performance and general "tuning." My best advice is to go through this thread and learn what you can.

Above all - - enjoy your new TV! Most of us here believe that this is the best TV we've ever bought in terms of picture quality and especially 3D! Sure, there can be problems but they also can be worked out if you experience them.

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From Catt99 - well done! (How to perform a "Full Reset")
Go into the TV menu. Scroll to and select "Support." Scroll to and select "Self Diagnosis." Get ready to select "Reset." BUT WRITE DOWN YOUR PREFERRED SETTINGS FIRST if you haven't already done so (and do so!)
(Unless you have your settings memorized like most of us by now!)
In my case, it took a while for the changes to take full effect and I had to re-tweak the settings. Hope this helps.

Much appreciated! Unfortunately there's not too many cells left in my brain so have taken some snaps of the settings on my iPhone!!

Thanks again.
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I have a tip that may work for those of you with clouding/flashlighting issues.
This has been mentioned before, but it is the first time I've tried it.

A few nights ago I gave my 55 inch 7500 its' first good cleaning.
I used a good quality soft cloth and wiped the screen off to remove any dust, and the few fingerprints on it from the initial unbox/setup.
I did have some minor flashlighting noticable in the lower right corner of the set, and some minor clouding in the upper left portion of the screen. Since I did the "screen clean", I believe the flashlighting and clouding has not only diminished....it appears to be gone!
I will have to do a thorough check this evening, but upon my initial short look last night, it seems vastly improved.
For those of you newish in here, it is believed a "massage" of the screen can help with flashlighting/clouding. Make sure no harsh cleaning agents are used, in fact, the safest bet is a "screen safe cloth" slightly dampened with warm water.

Your mileage may vary.
PLEASE BE CAREFUL CLEANING YOUR SCREEN!

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What Rico and Wing said. And congrats to people with new TVs! That being said, regardless of what others say, all feedback good and bad should be welcomed so that we and people looking for a new TV, can get as much info as possible. Welcome to all and glad to see some new people. Sorry for my lack of writing, I still have no power since the hurricane and have yet to even see an insurance agent stop by, so non power or Internet at home and way too much work at work. Forgive my typing on a phone too. smile.gif the good news is though that I did get some ice and a new bottle on Sunday haha.


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