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Sorry if this is old news... New Software version 1046 is now out.... My TV just downloaded it. smile.gif

2 days old, but your apology is accepted...lo:pl
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Yup smile.gif

Also, I agree that it's crazy that we don't get release notes on these updates. Very odd.

I for one am gonna find out once and for all what all these firmware updates actually do, improve,fix, or delete....

I'll be back with some investigating report -- cool.gif
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LOL! Oh yea!! Hopefully something will be done about it ASAP too! biggrin.gif

it has been taken care of
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Sorry, but what does that mean?

a picture is worth a 1000 words...

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I for one am gonna find out once and for all what all these firmware updates actually do, improve,fix, or delete....

I'll be back with some investigating report -- cool.gif

NICE! Go to it, guru of software!
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Found this on the samsung official website after digging thru layers of onions....lol...

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/UN46ES7500FXZA



Firmware 001046 not listed on the website yet....
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Doesn't look like it bro
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I'll add some more info and pics too. Letterbox actually records data for the black bars. This means the actual picture is not taking up all the data and not as high quality as anamorphic, which actually uses all the data for the picture then the hardware adds black bars. Showing you in pictures of film frames may make more sense so I'll do that below. As you may know, the shape of 35mm film is not wide, so if you shot "letterbox", you would lose a lot of resolution and not take up the full frame. Where if you shoot anamorphic, with anamorphic lenses, you'd be squeesing the whole widescreen pic on the 35mm film, then when it is played back, it stretches it back out accordingly, so that it's getting use of the resolution of the whole frame of film. I'm rambling but see these pics taken from wikipedia....





In the Dark Knight's case, some of the film was shot with actual IMAX cameras. If you saw it in an IMAX theater, the screen dimensions literally changed during those scenes so you could see the whole frame and resolution of those scenes.
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Now that I had some time to check out both my 60" and 65", I can definitely see a slight improvement in black levels, brightness, and colors. More so on the 60" and I'm thinking maybe because I don't have my signal being upscales to 1080p like I do on my 65" from my Onkyo 818 reciever.

I do want to point out though that I did do a full reset on both sets and started off with the factory default picture settings. But I definitely notice better black levels on my 60" panel. Maybe the update improved the Mico dimming? I'm using standard mode on both now and the CE dimming seems way better, and not really noticeable anymore.

I know its not just my eyes now because my 70+ yo grandmother said , did you do something to the TV to me just a little while ago. I said, no why? She said because the picture looks so much clearer and colorful now..
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Garnoch, I think its time to do some re tweaking when you have some time, because I really do notice a slight difference. I don't want to say a big one because there's always room for improvement and just in case any of the engineers do read this, I don't want them to think the picture is perfect now and stop improving it, cause its not..

Thanks Endeaver for digging for info. Like Eagle and some others have said recently, its so strange that Samsung doesn't have any patch notes for their updates when freaking all apps on our cell phones and tablets from small companies make notes to ALL of their updates. Its very disappointing because how else are we supposed to know what were doing to our new $3K TV without any documentation..
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Great info on latest firmware updates and release notes. Enjoy!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1454150/official-samsung-smart-tv-firmware-updates-latest-info-how-tos
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Great idea, but ugh! Another thread to keep up with..lol! smile.gif
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Well, I did hear from a lot of people and all the techs I've ever met that Samsung pays the worse in the industry, so maybe they don't write notes because all the engineers they have arent even certified and don't know what they are doing and don't care since they don't get paid much and just go in the software and mess with all different things to see if it helps? Lol! j.K...sort of
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Having just calibrated my set prior to the release of 1046 I am looking forward to now updating the firmware and checking to see if anything has to change and if any measurable impacts are there rather than just perceived....

Turboman, as one of the few users here who is interested in the measurable, perhaps you could check it out too...
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Having just calibrated my set prior to the release of 1046 I am looking forward to now updating the firmware and checking to see if anything has to change and if any measurable impacts are there rather than just perceived....

Turboman, as one of the few users here who is interested in the measurable, perhaps you could check it out too...

Look forward to seeing the results.
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Having just calibrated my set prior to the release of 1046 I am looking forward to now updating the firmware and checking to see if anything has to change and if any measurable impacts are there rather than just perceived....

Turboman, as one of the few users here who is interested in the measurable, perhaps you could check it out too...
hey rocket,
I have an Asian model of the 55ES8000, so different firmware.
But I would be interested to know your calibrated settings and calibration report.
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The latest firmware is now available in Australia. I've taken a look at the PQ for standard FTA to and it seems to have improved somewhat, a good sign. Will check bluray tonight !
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Garnoch, I think its time to do some re tweaking when you have some time, because I really do notice a slight difference. I don't want to say a big one because there's always room for improvement and just in case any of the engineers do read this, I don't want them to think the picture is perfect now and stop improving it, cause its not..

Thanks Endeaver for digging for info. Like Eagle and some others have said recently, its so strange that Samsung doesn't have any patch notes for their updates when freaking all apps on our cell phones and tablets from small companies make notes to ALL of their updates. Its very disappointing because how else are we supposed to know what were doing to our new $3K TV without any documentation..

Yep you may be right. I did very minimal eyesight testing last night in a lit, dim and dark room (using the Eco sensor) and I now can't tell the difference in blacks between Movie and Standard mode. Very odd really being Standard supposedly has "Micro Dimming". If they implemented MD in Movie mode, that could really throw off calibrations though, so I'm not sure what's going on. Anyway, I said I've said many times that even though I got Standard's colors close to my wonderful Movie colors that I'd go back to Movie if the blacks were as nice. So right now I'm back on Movie mode until I tweak and test more this weekend. I'll also reset my Standard settings without the CE Dimming work-around to see if CE is acting any different on my set. The issues with frame dropping in certain AMP settings still exists though so certain content.
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Yea, unfortunately the AMP issues are still there. I really can't pin point exactly what's different now, but before I always used movie mode and never standard because of the CE dimming, but now to me on my panels, standard looks better now. The black levels look better so I don't know if its from them adjusting the Micro dimming or what, but Arenaman who's in the UK said that they have gotten many more updates recently compared to us and that he said that the picture improved a lot from the FW updates, so I would imagine we will see a little improvement from the next few updates we get. I'm surprised that Samsung still hasn't updated the noted on their website. I think that's really messed up of them to do. Leaving their loyal fans all confused after every update. I'm not even going to expect to see any new notes anyways. They will probably just copy the same ones as the last update like they have been since this TV was released.
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Found this on the samsung official website after digging thru layers of onions....lol...

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/UN46ES7500FXZA



Firmware 001046 not listed on the website yet....

Thanks for that link, but the problem is they always say the same things. They never change it. I think the last things they added to that list was "angry birds" and that was months and months and months ago. They never update the info, they just copy-paste the same list. And "improve picture quality" is extraordinarily vague, most certainly on purpose, since any "improvements" they make is probably subjective, since some of us think we see improvements after updates and some don't. They really should be more open with what they are doing since these updates affect a very expensive piece of hardware. It's pretty scary to update a $2k-$3k electronic device regularly, and "see" what happens, or if it was worth it.
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Garnoch, I think its time to do some re tweaking when you have some time, because I really do notice a slight difference. I don't want to say a big one because there's always room for improvement and just in case any of the engineers do read this, I don't want them to think the picture is perfect now and stop improving it, cause its not..

Thanks Endeaver for digging for info. Like Eagle and some others have said recently, its so strange that Samsung doesn't have any patch notes for their updates when freaking all apps on our cell phones and tablets from small companies make notes to ALL of their updates. Its very disappointing because how else are we supposed to know what were doing to our new $3K TV without any documentation..

Yeah, my WDTV Live and Mede8er media players always include extensive lists of what's new and what's fixed. Mede8er especially has updates often, and they always include a list of every change and fix. It's just inexcusable for Samsung. It just shows that there's some bad communication going on there, because one department can't even get a list of changes to another department. The link posted above to the updates thread proves it because look at how the "tech" handled the inquiry about the new update - he had no idea what was changed. None of them know anything about their own products.
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Yep you may be right. I did very minimal eyesight testing last night in a lit, dim and dark room (using the Eco sensor) and I now can't tell the difference in blacks between Movie and Standard mode. Very odd really being Standard supposedly has "Micro Dimming". If they implemented MD in Movie mode, that could really throw off calibrations though, so I'm not sure what's going on. Anyway, I said I've said many times that even though I got Standard's colors close to my wonderful Movie colors that I'd go back to Movie if the blacks were as nice. So right now I'm back on Movie mode until I tweak and test more this weekend. I'll also reset my Standard settings without the CE Dimming work-around to see if CE is acting any different on my set. The issues with frame dropping in certain AMP settings still exists though so certain content.

Interesting....I took the update yesterday but I haven't had time yet to sit down and check things out. I'll have to explore movie mode a bit tonight. I've been on standard alll alsong with the CE dimming trick and I've been very comfortable with those settings for quite a while now. I think I've got the color at a place I'm really happy with, both for 2D and 3D in standard mode. I'll have to play with movie mode now and see how it looks.
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hey rocket,
I have an Asian model of the 55ES8000, so different firmware.
But I would be interested to know your calibrated settings and calibration report.
take care

Turbo and Ops, will be happy to post, it is going to be a couple weeks with work travel, but happy to share.

I must say the biggest difference using a meter has been dropping backlight and brightness to get black right and cranking contrast up to meet peak white requirements has really helped with the previously minimal flashlighting. Turbo, going back I think your settings are around post 8000, are those still the settings you are running or have you re-calibrated?

Must say, for the minimal cost of this set I am amazed at the picture and the fact that even with this year's new model due out that Samsung has released a new firmware that is supposed to improve picture. I'll take that all day long even without detailed notes!
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Anyway, I said I've said many times that even though I got Standard's colors close to my wonderful Movie colors that I'd go back to Movie if the blacks were as nice. So right now I'm back on Movie mode until I tweak and test more this weekend. I'll also reset my Standard settings without the CE Dimming work-around to see if CE is acting any different on my set. The issues with frame dropping in certain AMP settings still exists though so certain content.
Well I may have to take the plunge and update my FW, which I haven't done. I am using Garnoch's Standard settings for everything (including 3D and BD), so I'll have to see whether he has any adjustments/recommendations once he messes around with some Jack this weekend:D.

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Turbo and Ops, will be happy to post, it is going to be a couple weeks with work travel, but happy to share.

I must say the biggest difference using a meter has been dropping backlight and brightness to get black right and cranking contrast up to meet peak white requirements has really helped with the previously minimal flashlighting. Turbo, going back I think your settings are around post 8000, are those still the settings you are running or have you re-calibrated?

Must say, for the minimal cost of this set I am amazed at the picture and the fact that even with this year's new model out that Samsung has released a new firmware that is supposed to improve picture. I'll take that all day long even without detailed notes!

Please tell me where the new model is out so I can go look at it. FYI, they have to keep updating the FW because their are still others having issues
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Please tell me where the new model is out so I can go look at it. FYI, they have to keep updating the FW because their are still others having issues

Mr. Anthony, I am sorry i don't fully understand your question? Did I just overstate the "release" of the F8000? If it isn't quite "out" yet you have my most sincere apology for a poor choice of words.
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On man! You had me at hello there for a minute! I got all dressed and everything ready to head to BB to check this beast out. mad.gif its not nice to tease people like that..lol

I'm in the market for another TV, so I've been waiting for more info on this new F so I can see with my eyes if Samsung fixed their horrible quality control issues.
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Turbo and Ops, will be happy to post, it is going to be a couple weeks with work travel, but happy to share.

I must say the biggest difference using a meter has been dropping backlight and brightness to get black right and cranking contrast up to meet peak white requirements has really helped with the previously minimal flashlighting. Turbo, going back I think your settings are around post 8000, are those still the settings you are running or have you re-calibrated?

Must say, for the minimal cost of this set I am amazed at the picture and the fact that even with this year's new model out that Samsung has released a new firmware that is supposed to improve picture. I'll take that all day long even without detailed notes!

Work comes first. I'm in no hurry, my picture still looks as good as did even after the latest update.
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Clearly you all must have had a different update.... I notice no change in pic quality...
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Clearly you all must have had a different update.... I notice no change in pic quality...

Did you do a factory reset on everything? I didn't notice anything either until I did a factory reset and started from the default settings. Also, I have dynamic contrast enabled and black tone since someone told me that the Dynamic contrast enables the Micro Dimming.

I don't want to get everyone's hopes up about this update, as I said before that I notice a "Slight" update and I still can't pin point exactly what it is, but definitely the CE dimming is better on my panels because before I had to have brightness on 49 -50 where now, I can have it on 42 - 45 without noticing it dim on standard like I did before.
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