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Well, here goes #3 back for #4...

UN65(HELL)ES8000

#3 has vertical banding pretty darn bad (yes, I know they all do)...(#1 and #2 had stuck or dead pixels)

#3 has a build date of December 2012, panel Version No. MH02

Any chance I will get a newer panel build - or luck of the draw???

Getting somewhat smart that I am having Amazon deliver the new and keeping the old to compare the two, then I call back and decide which one to return...the lesser of two evils...

Advice, commiseration appreciated...

I'll post some comparative banding pictures when I get #4....
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Well, here goes #3 back for #4...

UN65(HELL)ES8000

#3 has vertical banding pretty darn bad (yes, I know they all do)...(#1 and #2 had stuck or dead pixels)

#3 has a build date of December 2012, panel Version No. MH02

Any chance I will get a newer panel build - or luck of the draw???

Getting somewhat smart that I am having Amazon deliver the new and keeping the old to compare the two, then I call back and decide which one to return...the lesser of two evils...

Advice, commiseration appreciated...

I'll post some comparative banding pictures when I get #4....

Wow. It's a good thing I never had to deal with something like this eek.gif
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I've got a Motorola STB too. I assume when you pressed Menu you used the STB remote (not the TV remote). So that shows stuff on the TV screen even when the STB is powered off?

Yes. Leave the TV on. Power off the STB via the STB remote. Screen goes black and TV shows no input. But hit "menu" on the STB remote and a visual menu comes back up on the TV even though the STB had been powered off. My menu has an option for HDMI / YBB Output - just click "OK" or "Enter" on the STB remote and the output changes and for mine scrolls through various formats before getting to "Native." Hit power on the STB again to get out of the menu. Hit power once again to turn the STB back on (TV programming should come back and the feed from the STB is in whatever format the box is receiving it. At least, that's how it works on my Motorola box and serveral other boxes I found on the web after a search.

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I found out how to access the hidden menu of my FiOS set top box. In the hidden menu is an potion to output "native" instead of just 720p or 1080p like the main menu offers. Finally! The only thing is I'm not sure if my girlfriend (or me for that matter) will stick with it, since every time the resolution switches due to different channels' broadcasts, the tv of course goes black for 2 seconds while it switches resolution. That's quite a distraction just for quick channel surfing. The benefit is I've got the cable box outputting it's native signals now. Guess I'll have to see if it's worth it. I wonder if AMP will work any better on some problem channels now? I'll have to give it a try.

Yes - I have a delay as well while the TV "understands" the format of the feed it is getting and displays. I'll experiment whether I think the TV is doing a better job than the box at scaling. If it is, I'll keep it and suffer the pause between channels (don't surf so much as select from the onscreen guide, so it will be less annoying than when surfing). If no difference (or worse quality), I'll just go back to the box scaling everything to 1080p before it gets to the TV.
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Have you tried that previously before the update? Just curious because I have tried the same thing you're doing there a few months back, and I noticed the same thing then - when linked to my pc with allshare, the pc would show in my source list, along with HDMI, USB, and component, when the pc was on.

I think after the FW update the PC automatically downloaded a new driver so it could be on the source list.
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Changing your setbox to 720p means that if the signal is not 720p, your box will convert it and then your TV is upscaling it 1080p. Not desirable... leave the signal as untouched as possible.
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You could probably exchange sets 7 times in the span it might take getting an actual "repair" that solves the problem made. You are a better man than I am in regards to being patient. Hopefully it works out.

I was thinkin that almost everyone says they see some V or not, if it is just the way it is exchange won't help me much....worth forcing them to try to fix it and if not excahnging it then....I am in no rush. I say that now but I may cahnge my tune if I cant be more convincing and get better service.
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Aren't you still within your 1 year warranty period? The set isn't that old, you should be able to get this resolved if it is that bad.

You would think right? But, the problem he's having is the service center that he's used, is co owned by Samsung and a nightmare to deal with. I've heard many many horror stories about this place too. They are a big service center where they cover a large geographic area and all the techs get Actual Samsung service trucks with Samsung written on them. What he needs to do now, is call Samsung again since they have new people there, or wait until after Feb 15th when they all have to leave, and maybe he will get better service. If not, then he can always get an independent service tech out to look and just tell Samsung that he will bill them for it..
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I was thinkin that almost everyone says they see some V or not, if it is just the way it is exchange won't help me much....worth forcing them to try to fix it and if not excahnging it then....I am in no rush. I say that now but I may cahnge my tune if I cant be more convincing and get better service.

I really think you should try the 1046.2 update, because its really helped a few on here with this issue. It is a 8000 were talking about right?
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That's hard to answer. I personally would set it to 1080i for everything and leave it if you're not able to find a way to get a straight source pass through. At least in my area and the content providers here, almost everything is being broadcase in 1080i. There are a few channels that broadcast in 720p, but most are 1080i. For that reason I would set the cable/sat box to send 1080i because it would essentially be sending the source untouched for all the channels that are already in 1080i, which is the majority of them here. If that's the case with you and you're area, then that's what I'd suggest you do.

I agree completely with Jestered here. Last night when I set it to "native" I was getting the delay as well. So I just set it to 720p and 1080i so the TV can just upscale them but only the channels that aren't natively in 720p will go through the process once, where as the 1080i will go through the box and the TV. This seemed to help

I was just at Bjs whosale club and they had the sharp 80" for only $3,200. It looked very good. I was surprised. It was really bright too. The only thing that wasn't so good, that's really good on our sets is the sharpness and clarity of the picture. But from a distance it looked very good. I was surprised how cheap it is. I paid $3,500 for my 65" and this is an 80" for less. You would think since they are called "Sharp" that their TVs would be very sharp, right? Not the case though
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Are 1046 and 1046.2 distinct firmware revisions, or is 1046 as reported by my TV just shorthand for 1046.2? If they are distinct, what have people noticed different between 1046 and 1046.2? I just updated to 1046.

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
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Are 1046 and 1046.2 distinct firmware revisions, or is 1046 as reported by my TV just shorthand for 1046.2? If they are distinct, what have people noticed different between 1046 and 1046.2? I just updated to 1046.

Shorthand. If you go into Support/Contact Samsung, I believe it will show you the full number.


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Got it, thanks. I started seeing people reference 1046.2 and I was thinking I was missing out on something.

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
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Are 1046 and 1046.2 distinct firmware revisions, or is 1046 as reported by my TV just shorthand for 1046.2? If they are distinct, what have people noticed different between 1046 and 1046.2? I just updated to 1046.

1046 is 1046.2
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Got it, thanks. I started seeing people reference 1046.2 and I was thinking I was missing out on something.

I thought one of my sets didn't do the update because it kept showing 1046 and not 1046.2, I couldn't figure out how to find out either, so thanks Garnoch smile.gif
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1046 is 1046.2

Yep.. But, before this 1046.2 we just got, it was 1046, so its confusing. This is why I think the member who just bought his 60" still has the old 1046 update
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Yes. Leave the TV on. Power off the STB via the STB remote. Screen goes black and TV shows no input. But hit "menu" on the STB remote and a visual menu comes back up on the TV even though the STB had been powered off. My menu has an option for HDMI / YBB Output - just click "OK" or "Enter" on the STB remote and the output changes and for mine scrolls through various formats before getting to "Native." Hit power on the STB again to get out of the menu. Hit power once again to turn the STB back on (TV programming should come back and the feed from the STB is in whatever format the box is receiving it. At least, that's how it works on my Motorola box and serveral other boxes I found on the web after a search.
Yes - I have a delay as well while the TV "understands" the format of the feed it is getting and displays. I'll experiment whether I think the TV is doing a better job than the box at scaling. If it is, I'll keep it and suffer the pause between channels (don't surf so much as select from the onscreen guide, so it will be less annoying than when surfing). If no difference (or worse quality), I'll just go back to the box scaling everything to 1080p before it gets to the TV.

I'm curious to hear what you think of Native once you try it out for a bit. Let us know!

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I agree completely with Jestered here. Last night when I set it to "native" I was getting the delay as well. So I just set it to 720p and 1080i so the TV can just upscale them but only the channels that aren't natively in 720p will go through the process once, where as the 1080i will go through the box and the TV. This seemed to help

I was just at Bjs whosale club and they had the sharp 80" for only $3,200. It looked very good. I was surprised. It was really bright too. The only thing that wasn't so good, that's really good on our sets is the sharpness and clarity of the picture. But from a distance it looked very good. I was surprised how cheap it is. I paid $3,500 for my 65" and this is an 80" for less. You would think since they are called "Sharp" that their TVs would be very sharp, right? Not the case though

What a great price! Definitely would have made me rethink my 65.
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What a great price! Definitely would have made me rethink my 65.

Hey there stranger! Yea, I know right? It looked really good too. Not as good as Samsung's but when I was standing at about 12 feet away, I couldn't tell the difference.
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Yes. Leave the TV on. Power off the STB via the STB remote. Screen goes black and TV shows no input. But hit "menu" on the STB remote and a visual menu comes back up on the TV even though the STB had been powered off. My menu has an option for HDMI / YBB Output - just click "OK" or "Enter" on the STB remote and the output changes and for mine scrolls through various formats before getting to "Native." Hit power on the STB again to get out of the menu. Hit power once again to turn the STB back on (TV programming should come back and the feed from the STB is in whatever format the box is receiving it. At least, that's how it works on my Motorola box and serveral other boxes I found on the web after a search.
Yes - I have a delay as well while the TV "understands" the format of the feed it is getting and displays. I'll experiment whether I think the TV is doing a better job than the box at scaling. If it is, I'll keep it and suffer the pause between channels (don't surf so much as select from the onscreen guide, so it will be less annoying than when surfing). If no difference (or worse quality), I'll just go back to the box scaling everything to 1080p before it gets to the TV.

So you can defeat the upscaling feature of the STB many times. But can you defeat the upscaling feature of the ES8000? I don't think I read anything about this feature in the literature that came with the TV. I do briefly see a box in the upper left corner when I change channels that has the numbers in them (720p by whatever). I always assumed that was the source dimensions.

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So you can defeat the upscaling feature of the STB many times. But can you defeat the upscaling feature of the ES8000? I don't think I read anything about this feature in the literature that came with the TV. I do briefly see a box in the upper left corner when I change channels that has the numbers in them (720p by whatever). I always assumed that was the source dimensions.

Defeat the upscaling on your set is not possible... the TV displays natively at 1080p that is the resolution it will display all content at.
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Got it, thanks. I started seeing people reference 1046.2 and I was thinking I was missing out on something.

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I thought one of my sets didn't do the update because it kept showing 1046 and not 1046.2, I couldn't figure out how to find out either, so thanks Garnoch smile.gif

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I just tried Garnoch updated movie settings and must say it looks very good. Did the thx setting with the iPhone and it was pretty much dead on. Liking the new look.
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So you can defeat the upscaling feature of the STB many times. But can you defeat the upscaling feature of the ES8000? I don't think I read anything about this feature in the literature that came with the TV. I do briefly see a box in the upper left corner when I change channels that has the numbers in them (720p by whatever). I always assumed that was the source dimensions.

That box in the upper corner is showing the format of the source that the TV is receiving. The TV is a 1080p display so everything - absolutely everything - it displays is displayed as 1080p.

The only issue is whether the TV (or other components) need to modify the source material to get it to 1080p. For example, blu-rays are already in 1080p -- your blu-ray player sends a 1080p signal to the TV via HDMI and the TV displays it. But most broadcast, whether cable, satellite, etc., is in 720p or 1080i (HD material), or 480i (standard definition). With a 1080p panel, something has to convert the native signal to a 1080p format so it can be displayed. Either one of your components does so, or the TV will do so. I had previously had my Comcast box scaling the native source to 1080p and outputting to the TV - so the TV didn't do anything in terms of scaling - it just displayed the (already scaled) 1080p signal it got from the Comcast box. With the box sent to native, the TV is now receiving a variety of different signals -- for example, an SD feed is getting to the TV as 480i, Fox Soccer HD is getting there as 720p, and USA HD is getting there as 1080i. The TV (instead of the Comcast box) is scaling the signal to 1080p.

The question is whether the TV does a better job of the necessary scaling, or the Comcast box. I generally share the presumption with Jestered that the TV is likely to do a better job of the necessary scaling than the Comcast box, so I'll have the TV do it unless I find otherwise.
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I'm curious to hear what you think of Native once you try it out for a bit. Let us know!

I prefer native but the difference is so slight, and only on the channels that were being converted to begin with, that a lot of people can't even see the difference. Months ago a couple people thought I was crazy for saying it looked better. And if my DirecTV HR34 is not in native, converting 1080i to output as 720p looks a hair better than the 720p channels being converted to 1080i. Meaning when set to output 720p, the 1080i channels look the same, but if it's set to output 1080i, I see a touch of degradation in the 720p channels. Not everyone's hardware may act the same though.


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I just tried Garnoch updated movie settings and must say it looks very good. Did the thx setting with the iPhone and it was pretty much dead on. Liking the new look.

Glad it helped, man, and thanks for letting me know. Good to hear you're using something like the app to to fine tune those settings for your panel. If you get around to it, let us know the tweaks for your panel.
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That box in the upper corner is showing the format of the source that the TV is receiving. The TV is a 1080p display so everything - absolutely everything - it displays is displayed as 1080p.

The only issue is whether the TV (or other components) need to modify the source material to get it to 1080p. For example, blu-rays are already in 1080p -- your blu-ray player sends a 1080p signal to the TV via HDMI and the TV displays it. But most broadcast, whether cable, satellite, etc., is in 720p or 1080i (HD material), or 480i (standard definition). With a 1080p panel, something has to convert the native signal to a 1080p format so it can be displayed. Either one of your components does so, or the TV will do so. I had previously had my Comcast box scaling the native source to 1080p and outputting to the TV - so the TV didn't do anything in terms of scaling - it just displayed the (already scaled) 1080p signal it got from the Comcast box. With the box sent to native, the TV is now receiving a variety of different signals -- for example, an SD feed is getting to the TV as 480i, Fox Soccer HD is getting there as 720p, and USA HD is getting there as 1080i. The TV (instead of the Comcast box) is scaling the signal to 1080p.

The question is whether the TV does a better job of the necessary scaling, or the Comcast box. I generally share the presumption with Jestered that the TV is likely to do a better job of the necessary scaling than the Comcast box, so I'll have the TV do it unless I find otherwise.

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So you can defeat the upscaling feature of the STB many times. But can you defeat the upscaling feature of the ES8000? I don't think I read anything about this feature in the literature that came with the TV. I do briefly see a box in the upper left corner when I change channels that has the numbers in them (720p by whatever). I always assumed that was the source dimensions.

And the reason for this, Newt, is because the TV literally has 1,080 pixels from top to bottom. It's a physical trait so anything it's displaying is 1080p, 1920x1080, or else it wouldn't fill the screen. Hell, even things that appear to not fill the screen is still upconverted to 1080p technically, but that includes the black bars (like a letterbox movie on an SD channel with black all the way around).


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And the reason for this, Newt, is because the TV literally has 1,080 pixels from top to bottom. It's a physical trait so anything it's displaying is 1080p, 1920x1080, or else it wouldn't fill the screen. Hell, even things that appear to not fill the screen is still upconverted to 1080p technically, but that includes the black bars (like a letterbox movie on an SD channel with black all the way around).
Hey thanks Catt for that. I never knew that the STB could upscale. And it makes sense that you cannot defeat the TV's upscaling, because if you did and somebody turned it off and the TV looked terrible they'd get tons of calls about it. I think I'll leave mine alone thank you!

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This does sound like a source issue, but I'm sure you realize that by now. Very weird. Every program?

hey garnoch

yeah its on every channel, but dows not show it with a BR or DVD

Foxtel here is like dishnet/Direct tv
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That's so odd. And you said it's on more than one TV so I assume it's more than one Foxtel box. If it were just one box, I'd think it was hardware. Is it all channels? If so, hopefully Foxtel's service can help you out and maybe there is a setting somewhere or new hardware they can send you that will fix the issue. In the mean time, if it's driving you crazy, you could change the ES picture size from Screen Fit to 16x9. It will zoom the picture in slightly. The downside is losing some resolution and the edges of your picture. I can't tell from your picture though how close to the edge it is so this might not help - not that it's a permanent solution anyway. If you can, let us know the outcome in case anyone else come searching for this issue. Good luck.


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That's so odd. And you said it's on more than one TV so I assume it's more than one Foxtel box. If it were just one box, I'd think it was hardware. Is it all channels? If so, hopefully Foxtel's service can help you out and maybe there is a setting somewhere or new hardware they can send you that will fix the issue. In the mean time, if it's driving you crazy, you could change the ES picture size from Screen Fit to 16x9. It will zoom the picture in slightly. The downside is losing some resolution and the edges of your picture. I can't tell from your picture though how close to the edge it is so this might not help - not that it's a permanent solution anyway. If you can, let us know the outcome in case anyone else come searching for this issue. Good luck.



Yeah i have 3 foxtel boxes here and all 3 have the same line in same spot, but wether i use 16:9 or screen fit its still there even when i put a show on thats in 4:3 can still see it it deff has to be this hardware and not the tv

its about 3 inches frm the edge of the screen

I was going to return the tv so i disconnect the tv but then looking at it sitting in the corner i decided to try a few diff setting did a factory reset and re-added nitra's setting in and couldnt be happier with it for now, No idea what happened but yesterday after awhile it looked like it was all washed out
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