Originally Posted by thebignewt
Does this quote make any sense? From the H7150 forum regarding difference betwee the ES8000 and the next years' F8000 and dimming.
"Samsung has given many names to their dimming schemes and I no longer try to keep track of them other than which televisions have frame/global dimming and which televisions have hardware based/edge-lit pseudo local dimming. This year only the H8000 has a hardware based dimming scheme for 1080p displays.
I didn't state your television didn't have dimming but that it had frame dimming which does not enhance contrast unlike the hardware based dimming scheme on the F8000. Didn't you note that local was in italic typeface? The H710 also has frame dimming and like your television it's only operative in standard mode. The F8000 has a feature called something like Smart LEDs which can be enabled (low, med, high) in the Movie mode. The F8000, unlike your television can independently dim zones of the screen.
If you want to opine that the F8000's dimming scheme doesn't improve PQ from the H710 then fine but what's not subjective is the fundamental differences between frame/global (video based) and edge-lit local (hardware based) dimming schemes."
I always thought that this TV did have contrast enhancement and Microdimming that dims separate regions of the screen. He says no it doesn't. I remember the hype ads for this and I'm sure they hyped the regions dimming and maybe contrasting separately.
I read through that and can see why one would be confused. For me, it's easier to just keep it simple and call it either Software
(ie frame) or Hardware
From there you can differentiate and categorize Hardware dimming as either Edge Lit
or Fully Array
(which is much better than Edge Lit when done properly)
The ES8000 does not have Hardware dimming (neither edge NOR Backlit full array). It uses Software and is a form of "microdimming" known as Micro Dimming Ultimate. They claim it DOES enhance contrast/detail but at the end of the day I have found it's really just a better version of Dynamic Contrast. Samsung throws out a lot of marketing terms like Micro Dimming, and that's where it gets confusing again
Before I owned an ES8000 I had the prior year's flagship the D8000 which you would think based on their backwards terminology had lesser dimming since it was dubbed as only Micro Dimming Plus. But actually it had Hardware (Edge Lit) and the "Micro Dimming" Software Dimming
Long story short, all that matters is how well any of it is implemented and even with the Hardware dimming of the D8000 there were a lot of complaints about bad sets and rampant banding. I had really bad vertical banding like many others, and so I got an exchange for the ES8000
The ES8000 only has software "micro" dimming but more zones are claimed over the prior year's version of micro dimming and they even went as far as to say it directly compared to hardware dimming; which when done properly it doesn't as seen in the F8000 when they did it right
and added Edge Lit dimming back to their Flagship LED and it was mostly excellent
I've heard of many Full Array Backlit sets being absolutely trash so you can't always go by the specs because sometimes an Edge Lit or even a tv with software/frame ie no hardware dimming at all will be superior. I know you may know most of this already but just wanted to try and simplify it for anyone else that may popup and not know
I'm done with flagship TV's for awhile. I was really into it for awhile anticipating the newest revelations in technology, but now I plan on just keeping the ES8000 for as long as possible as it's mostly been relegated to casual tv viewing for the wife/kids. When I really want to get down and game or watch a 3D or 2D bluray I'm pulling down the 100" screen and firing up the projector. Size matters and does more to create a cinema like experience than any 55-65" tv ever could no matter the dimming scheme. Maybe the blacks aren't as deep but oh well I've found I really don't care that much, as the tradeoff for banding free DLP 3D and again size is well worth it
But back on point, yeah the marketing terminology is very confusing. I'm pretty disillusioned after seeing through it all. And now that they are pushing curved tv's and everything else is essentially a lesser model with less features I'm happy with just keeping my ES8000. The SEK-2000 seems to not be worth it so I'm glad I just got the original EVO kit. Next time I get a tv the smart features won't figure in since Chromecast/Roku etc. can make any tv a smart tv and 3D is something better suited to a larger screen than my tv