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I just bought a X-Rite ColorMunki Display calibrator to calibrate this. I use this TV with an HTPC, so I'm guessing that the software will be able to change all the settings required, without me having to fiddle with the TV menu settings?
You will need to fiddle with the TV menu settings in order to achieve the desired calibration settings.

The software from the X-Rite adjust as you tweak to get you closer to industry standard than doing it by eye

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Does the ES8000 pass a 5.1 (or greater) signal though the optical or coax audio out?
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Does the ES8000 pass a 5.1 (or greater) signal though the optical or coax audio out?
Yes, but only from the built-in tuner or app that supports it.
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Yes, but only from the built-in tuner or app that supports it.
So if I have three different sources connected by HDMI to the ES8000 and then an HDMI out to a soundbar the out to the soundbar is just stereo?
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So if I have three different sources connected by HDMI to the ES8000 and then an HDMI out to a soundbar the out to the soundbar is just stereo?
No HDMI out. wrt optical out from the manual:

When the receiver (or home theater) is set to on, you can hear sound output from the TV’s optical jack. When the TV is receiving a DTV signal, the TV will send 5.1 CH sound to the home theater receiver. When the source is a digital component such as a DVD player / Blu-ray player / cable box / STB (Set-Top-Box) satellite receiver and you connected it to the TV via HDMI, you will only hear 2 CH audio from the home theater receiver. If you want to hear 5.1 CH audio, connect the digital audio out jack from your DVD / Blu-ray player / cable box / STB satellite receiver directly to an amplifier or home theater.

So only stereo from the 3 you connected to the TV with hdmi.
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So if I have three different sources connected by HDMI to the ES8000 and then an HDMI out to a soundbar the out to the soundbar is just stereo?
Are you turning off the TV Speakers in the Menu, then setting the Audio setting within the TV to DOLBY DIGITAL/DTS

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I haven't tried it yet because I haven't bought the soundbar. The soundbar I buy is contingent on whether or not the TV has the functionality of passing the 5.1 signal via an optical or coax out.
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Has anyone upgraded from their ES8000? It might be time to move it to another room and get something bigger and new for the spot where the ES8000 currently resides.

If anyone has upgraded what did you go with?
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still use my es8000 (got the 1st evo kit), but I did upgrade my "theater plasma" to a HU9000
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Are you turning off the TV Speakers in the Menu, then setting the Audio setting within the TV to DOLBY DIGITAL/DTS

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So does this mean the es8000 can pass DD and DTS via the optical out? Provided such audio comes in from the source?
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So does this mean the es8000 can pass DD and DTS via the optical out? Provided such audio comes in from the source?
I don't think it will, because there's really no point to it. DD or DTS will likely originate only from a BD or DVD. In order to hear that sound you need an AVR. If you have an AVR you don't want to connect your sources to the TV, you connect them directly to the AVR, and use a single HDMI cable to HDMI 2 on the TV. That's the ARC input. That way the apps on the TVs Smarthub pass the 5.1 sound to the AVR. For a soundbar it doesn't matter if it's 5.1, DD, or DTS it's gonna pretty much sound the same.

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So does this mean the es8000 can pass DD and DTS via the optical out? Provided such audio comes in from the source?
I would say Yes. I have an optical running from the TV into my AVR. Anytime I turn my TV Speakers OFF and just run sound from my AVR my AVR reads DTS.

When I don't do that, I get PCM from my AVR

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Newt, the point for me would be that DD or DTS could make it an output via optical from the TV to a soundbar which could use the signal. I don't the the ONLY use for a Dd or DTS input is strictly in an AVR. From what I have read some TVs can do it but most can't.

BFJ, thanks for sharing your experience n
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I would say Yes. I have an optical running from the TV into my AVR. Anytime I turn my TV Speakers OFF and just run sound from my AVR my AVR reads DTS.

When I don't do that, I get PCM from my AVR

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Is your AVR connected to the optical out from the es8000?
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Is your AVR connected to the optical out from the es8000?
Yes. Optical out from the ES8000 directly into the AVR

I then go into the ES8000 sound settings and set speakers to External from TV Speakers.

Then I believe the next setting after you exit out from settings to External is where you set set the Optical from the ES8000 to output in DTS

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Yes. Optical out from the ES8000 directly into the AVR

I then go into the ES8000 sound settings and set speakers to External from TV Speakers.

Then I believe the next setting after you exit out from settings to External is where you set set the Optical from the ES8000 to output in DTS

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I know where you are talking about. It is odd that the quick start guide specifically says the es8000 will not pass along 5.1 to the optical out for connected devices.

This does, unfortunately, directly impact my plan for a soundbar. I guess I will just have to test this on the weekend.
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still use my es8000 (got the 1st evo kit), but I did upgrade my "theater plasma" to a HU9000
Do you see a large difference between the es8000 and HU9000? Worth upgrading?
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Do you see a large difference between the es8000 and HU9000? Worth upgrading?
I haven't even scratched the surface (no 3d) yet, but my family and I think the difference is substantial. Even though my HU9000 is much larger, (so you would think 1080p upscaled to 4K and made that much bigger might look soft or not as crisp), we were in awe watching Monster University on BR. My 10yr old made the comment that he knows it's fake [the environment], but he feels like he's there. I showed my sister-in-law (not easily impressed with technology) some 4k content, and she said she felt like she could reach out and touch what she was seeing (again, not even 3D yet).

As a background, I followed this thread when I purchased my ES8000, and didn't get a professional calibration, but I tried the settings from someone who did their own (with the same exact panel) and adjusted settings a little more using the AVS test patterns. Everyone was happy, still love watching 3d or regular BluRay on it. I set the HU9000 to Movie and made a few tweaks here and there (so not even using any tools yet), and we absolutely love it.

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So when I turn off the speakers on the tv I have the option with SPDIF of either PCM or DTS Neo 2:5. Both DTS and Dolby Digital are greyed out. I don't have an optical cable connected so perhaps that is why??
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So when I turn off the speakers on the tv I have the option with SPDIF of either PCM or DTS Neo 2:5. Both DTS and Dolby Digital are greyed out. I don't have an optical cable connected so perhaps that is why??
DTS Neo is the only DTS Surround Sound offered by the display via optical

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Hmmmm. So I have the TV set to external speakers and DTS Neox 2.5. I have set up the associated soundbar and the optical output is indeed shining a red light. But no sound.

Then in the course of messing with things I found that if I changed the speaker setting to TV Speakers that I get sound from the soundbar. Limited to PCM.

Any thoughts?

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so I am dealing with no wifi and it seems the module on these tvs tend to die. even with the service manual, I cannot locate where the module is for the life of me.

Can any one help
Did you ever find out where the wifi module is located?
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Anyone upgrade their ES8000 to OLED yet? Those LG's are getting pretty cheap and I'd love to upgrade if it bought me better screen uniformity and significantly increased blacks.

As an aside, I recently moved and the TV is in a light controlled environment now. I switched back to Movie mode and am now able to set backlight at 7 and still get plenty of brightness. At 7 even in dark scenes the clouding is mostly invisible, but still there if you look for it.
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Anyone upgrade their ES8000 to OLED yet? Those LG's are getting pretty cheap and I'd love to upgrade if it bought me better screen uniformity and significantly increased blacks.

As an aside, I recently moved and the TV is in a light controlled environment now. I switched back to Movie mode and am now able to set backlight at 7 and still get plenty of brightness. At 7 even in dark scenes the clouding is mostly invisible, but still there if you look for it.
Some of it doesn't sound too hot.

Calibration Anomaly on Newest of the New LG OLED!

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Once we peeled our eyes away from the addictive contrast and started to analyse critically though, we unearthed a number of interesting issues on the EC930 OLED. First was the presence of varying degree of discolouration on different parts of the screen, notably a magenta tint along the left and right sides on our review unit. This was compounded by the image taking on a slight greenish cast when not viewed straight on. Whilst this tinting was largely invisible with most content we watched, black-and-white films and a uniform grey/white backdrop would show it up, which may irk owners depending on their viewing habits and individual tolerances.
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Wow what a disappointment. Thanks for saving me a couple thousand bucks
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I've had my un60es8000 since about May 2012. I'm still extremely happy. None of the panels come without flaws.


Regarding OLED and the LG; I'm definitely interested in this but not for about 2 more years. At that time price will be way down, many issues will have surfaced and been resolved.


The LG does show some insanely inky blacks as I casually look at it from time to time... Who know what 2017 will have but...I'm confident that the selection for the 65-80" class will be exceptional.


Still, Samsung, Sony and LG are the top dogs in picture quality right now on the show room floors.
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So i'm still on firmware 1046.2 (aka the Bladerunner FW...LOL thanks Anthony ...)) and have never experienced any odd behavior in my 8000. I still do all smarthub and streaming from my Samsung bluray player and have left the 8000's brain off.


I've never done the EVO upgrade and don't regret it as I've never read enough data to suggest i'm missing anything.


I currently use Movie mode as it seems to provide a slightly more accurate color and sharper detail than Standard mode. Slightly.Yes, there is occasional flashlight and clouding but its so rare and easy enough to flip to Standard.


Looking back, I paid about 2700 for the tv and it's sound bar and haven't remorse a penny. Today i'm going shopping about possibly upgrading the soundbar to a Klipsch.


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Blade, if you have the room, a 3speaker setup would have significantly higher sound quality than a soundbar. Even a 2.0 setup could be better if your AVR is good at downmixing 5.1>2.0/1

I moved last year and had to ditch the surround sound, I'm using KEF eggs as front left and right and a KEF 3005 center channel speaker, its way better than the soundbars I have heard at my friends places. I'd like to upgrade to a set of KEF LS50's or R300's, but that is pretty far down the list at the moment.

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I've had my un60es8000 since about May 2012. I'm still extremely happy. None of the panels come without flaws.


Regarding OLED and the LG; I'm definitely interested in this but not for about 2 more years. At that time price will be way down, many issues will have surfaced and been resolved.


The LG does show some insanely inky blacks as I casually look at it from time to time... Who know what 2017 will have but...I'm confident that the selection for the 65-80" class will be exceptional.


Still, Samsung, Sony and LG are the top dogs in picture quality right now on the show room floors.
OLED sounds enticing but the price point is a real deal breaker for me. And after having the 65" Sammy set, I would not want to buy anything less than 75". I just can't see going down in size or staying the same. With the bigger panel size, I might be able to retire my 100" projector - - although for letterbox movies, it's great!

As Blade says, all TV's have issues. I get incredible dark blacks (stinky inky) on movie mode with the Darbee Darblet. Zero clouding - only visible when the TV has long pauses with no picture being projected.

I'm still on the Anthony firmware release (R.I.P. Anthony, oh where have you gone??) and I never looked at the upgrade kit as it doesn't do anything for PQ. I do not use any of the apps - - in fact, it's not even connected to the Internet.

All in all - - still a great panel with incredible razor sharp images and vivid colors. I'm not looking to upgrade for at least 3 or probably 5 years from now. By then, hopefully, 4K/OLED/HDR and all the HDMI standards will have sorted itself out by then with a price point I can afford.

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OLED sounds enticing but the price point is a real deal breaker for me. And after having the 65" Sammy set, I would not want to buy anything less than 75". I just can't see going down in size or staying the same. With the bigger panel size, I might be able to retire my 100" projector - - although for letterbox movies, it's great!

As Blade says, all TV's have issues. I get incredible dark blacks (stinky inky) on movie mode with the Darbee Darblet. Zero clouding - only visible when the TV has long pauses with no picture being projected.

I'm still on the Anthony firmware release (R.I.P. Anthony, oh where have you gone??) and I never looked at the upgrade kit as it doesn't do anything for PQ. I do not use any of the apps - - in fact, it's not even connected to the Internet.

All in all - - still a great panel with incredible razor sharp images and vivid colors. I'm not looking to upgrade for at least 3 or probably 5 years from now. By then, hopefully, 4K/OLED/HDR and all the HDMI standards will have sorted itself out by then with a price point I can afford.

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Well, there reliability is questionable.
I have had the 55ES8000 now for about 18 months. The 1st one went faulty in just a couple of weeks and took more then double the time to have it resolved. As a matter of fact, Samsung was very little help and it was the shop I purchased it from who replaced it on their own accord, as they got sick of the stall practices by Samsung.
Now the 2nd panel has just become faulty. Vertical streaks on the LHS. You see this often in PC Monitors and at our work, I have never seen one repaired yet. Either a write off or replacement required.
Not looking forward having to deal with Samsung again.
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