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post #151 of 16284 Old 03-15-2012, 12:23 AM
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I'm not a pro calibrator but I have played with a bunch of TVs in my time, including the 2 LCD set up I'm using for my computer, and I've never seen a set that didn't have side effects when the brightness/backlight was cranked to the max. Even my CRT out in the living room now doesn't look good during dark scenes and in between commercials if the brightness is maxed and the room is dark.

So the fact that the article even states that you have to turn the backlight down to a reasonable level is kind of stupid. Most people should already know that, unless they like eye strain and headaches.

Bambooben, I agree with you. My point is that, of course no one cares if it's cranked to max....

But if you have to turn it down below where you would normallly like it, you haven't proved anything.

The linked article gives a strong impression they turn the backlighting down all the way to the point of making the clouding and flashlighting disappear. That really proves nothing; you can do that on nearly any LCD TV.

What I'd like to know is when the backlight it set for, say, 40ish ft/L, how are those issues. And the linked article gives us no insight there.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Review part deux:

They let me hook the e8000 up in the backroom and play with it. Lights off, brightness all the way up where you'd never have it, some flashlighting, though less than expected. Putting the brightness down to where it's still bright, maybe brighter than I'd have it at home, then turned the lights off and checked again, no flashlighting that I or my friend could see.

Next, I tried the images uploaded by whoever, both the original with just the white line down the center and the 'upgraded' one. No flashlighting at stock or my preferred settings.

The greyscale tests showed great uniformity, though I only thought to look at my preferred settings. Gestures didn't work incredibly well in low light conditions, though turning on a table lamp behind the tv, even though it barely added any light to me, fixed the problem.

Very very impressed with the tv, and with the update already out to add more voice commands, it makes me very glad to have decided to plop a good 3k down on this.
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well, it all looks fine to me. if the brightness is where he normally likes it , who cares what happens when its on torch mode ? I would think any led would do that in torch mode. Samsung tvs are starting to live up their hype , thats great !!


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hey do you guys know if the 65 inch is going to have the same slim bezel design as the 55 inch because last year the 65 looked completely different
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hey do you guys know if the 65 inch is going to have the same slim bezel design as the 55 inch because last year the 65 looked completely different

The 46, 55, 60, and 75 all had the same bezel, so I assume the 65 would.
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here are the tests you wanted

Thanks! While I'm still not entirely confident in my own slides, I'm really not sure what else we can throw at it. AFAIK, it looks good to me!

What would be great is if someone who DOES have flash lighting could try the same test patterns to prove that they work.

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If anybody could please help as soon as possible.

I have two choices. The LG 42LW650S or the Samsung 40D6500.

Which tv will give me the best 2D picture quality (possibly after calibration)?
Is there a lot of crosstalk and flicker in 3D mode on the Samsung TV?

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P.s. I know it's maybe not the best thread to ask this.... :P
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If anybody could please help as soon as possible.

I have two choices. The LG 42LW650S or the Samsung 40D6500.

Which tv will give me the best 2D picture quality (possibly after calibration)?
Is there a lot of crosstalk and flicker in 3D mode on the Samsung TV?

Thank you in advance
P.s. I know it's maybe not the best thread to ask this.... :P

Pay extra and get the 7000 series Samsung. It is only about a $200 difference but well worth it.
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Pay extra and get the 7000 series Samsung. It is only about a $200 difference but well worth it.

Thxn for replying but the difference in price between the D6500 and D7000 in Europe is like 400-500 euro
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how has the viewing angle been on e8000? Say take 2-4 steps left/right of center viwing of the tv. Does the screen start to fade alot?
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how has the viewing angle been on e8000? Say take 2-4 steps left/right of center viwing of the tv. Does the screen start to fade alot?

One of the video reviews showed that it's just as bad with viewing angles as the D8000. The blacks turn blue, and the colors get washed out. You can thank 3D speed requirements for that .

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One of the video reviews showed that it's just as bad with viewing angles as the D8000. The blacks turn blue, and the colors get washed out. You can thank 3D speed requirements for that .

can u link use that video review u are talking about i would like to see it .
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can u link use that video review u are talking about i would like to see it .

Not in front of a computer but it was one of the UK reviews- Trusted Reviews I think? The video they include points at the TV off-axis for a short while. Looked exactly how my D8000 looked

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One of the video reviews showed that it's just as bad with viewing angles as the D8000. The blacks turn blue, and the colors get washed out. You can thank 3D speed requirements for that .

I don't think the viewing angles are bad on the D8000 at all. Maybe it's hard to watch if you stand 89° off dead center
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I don't think the viewing angles are bad on the D8000 at all. Maybe it's hard to watch if you stand 89° off dead center

In my experience, the black levels on the D8000 were amazing... until I scooted a couple couch cushions to the side. They turn a shade of dark blue when not viewed head on. Not horrible (unless you're 45 deg off of center), but disappointing. Colors also get washed out and blue-shifted.

If they used IPS panels, this problem wouldn't exist. This is the price you pay for active 3D on an LCD.

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In my experience, the black levels on the D8000 were amazing... until I scooted a couple couch cushions to the side. They turn a shade of dark blue when not viewed head on. Not horrible (unless you're 45 deg off of center), but disappointing. Colors also get washed out and blue-shifted.

If they used IPS panels, this problem wouldn't exist. This is the price you pay for active 3D on an LCD.

But then IPS panels have weak blacks on axis.
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Please specify d8000 as in plasma pnd8000 or led und8000 big difference.


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Please specify d8000 as in plasma pnd8000 or led und8000 big difference.

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But then IPS panels have weak blacks on axis.

Depends on the quality of the IPS panel I think. We'll have to see how the Panasonic and LG LCDs look this year- I think most if not all are IPS.

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idk about u guy's but i been reading review's on the new ES8000 and they are all good new there saying this tv is perfect in 2D/3D picture.and mind u we will never find THE PERFECT TV so really i dont see what all the fuss is about ,i say be happy no matter what and enjoy the tv for what it is .a wonderful tv.for this year 2012.
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I wsih my local best buy had the e8000 (led) in. They wont have it till this week end. I plan on going to see it along with the other tv's for 2012. Is there any blu ray's 3d or 2d that I should take to get these guys to play to look for any defects ? I have most of the 3d blu's that are available. Any thing I can do to put these tv's to the test ? I will take my mini cam to get some vid's for you guys.

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i have been reading this thread because i am getting the es7500 and am exited and awaiting. i see some post that i could do without i just cruise rite on by it, its as simple as that. but when someone start degrading someone for the way their grammer and punctuation is it really ticks me off. its called having a little respect. learn how to have some couth.
it would be like me talking down to you because your not smart enough to know that you can ignore a user/users in the usercp in the tabs at top of page, its called ignore list.

i agree with you on some posts, but i still dont talk down to anyone in anyway. i call it childish.
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i have been reading this thread because i am getting the es7500 and am exited and awaiting. i see some post that i could do without i just cruise rite on by it, its as simple as that. but when someone start degrading someone for the way their grammer and punctuation is it really ticks me off. its called having a little respect. learn how to have some couth.
it would be like me talking down to you because your not smart enough to know that you can ignore a user/users in the usercp in the tabs at top of page, its called ignore list.

i agree with you on some posts, but i still dont talk down to anyone in anyway. i call it childish.
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Thank u for being nice ,it's like that's all people have to say to be that my grammer suck's like i dont know this lol.people to day there full of crap.but u are a nice person.so thank u .
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Strait off let me tell you I am one of the world's worst spellers. In fact in standard testing back in grade school at the end of the year I always got perfect scores in every subject (math, science, history), and then would get in the 30s and 40s (out of 100) in spelling. They had a little bar graph for each subject and they were all maxed out till you got down to spelling and it was a little blip.

Why am I telling you this in a es8000 thread?

Because I'm also tired of how far down these forms have slid lately, as well as reviews on Amazon and other places. Tonyjd40, I was sick of reading your posts after the first couple you posted in this thread. Even though I'm interested in what you have to say and share, I hate reading every one of your posts. I'm not picking on you so please don't get mad. You are just one of many here and your posts are extremely frequent. I know you are smart enough to post better, so please try.

Posts above are correct, spelling is not a sign of intelligence. But in this modern time of internet browsers they are a sign of stupidity and laziness. Every browser out now has an auto spell check feature built in, and many have options/addons for grammar.

But to most of us it really doesn't come down to how it makes a poster look as the post above states, because most of us reading this don't care about if the person posting has the IQ of a 5 year old as long as they are posting good info and details.

It actually comes down to the fact that a person posting with horrible grammar takes so much longer to read and understand.

Most of us out there have a life where we have to do other things believe it or not. We have limited time to read up and collect as much news and info as we can as quickly as we can so we can go do other stuff. Like watch our new TVs for instance. Instead, we have people that can't take an extra few sec. with their post to make it legible, so we get to spend twice as long trying to decipher it. Not to mention how often we have people get their tone misconstrue which leads to insults and flame wars.

So please folks, step up your game some, and lets get back to the es8000.

How about some more new pics, please
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U said it well more pics please of the ES8000
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There's an ignore list. Hit UserCP, it's most of the way down the left-side column.

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Strait off let me tell you I am one of the world's worst spellers. ...

Straight off, I have to tell you I started laughing.... I can't tell if you did it on purpose or not, but I enjoyed it anyway.
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So please folks, step up your game some, and lets get back to the es8000.

Amen.

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So from skimming this thread it (seems) that the ES8K may fare better than the D8K did. Good.

Although it seem like Panny WT50 might beat it...

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anyone know if there should be a es7500 thread started? or is the es8000 set close enough to a match? from what i have read the only real difference is the micro dimming, ultimate for 8000 and pro for the 7500, and the clear motion rate, 960 in the 8000 and 840 in the 7500.
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You make some fine points, Aaron, and in the future I will stick to simply using the ignore feature. I'm not here to ruin anyone's day.

I do want to clarify something though: yes, it's frustrating when some of these posters have horrific spelling, punctuation, and/or grammar, but that's not what triggered that rant of mine. The problem with Joseph's post was its tone. I believe that Joseph has already stated a while back that he ordered a UNxxES8000, or he already may have one, or at the very least he's set on getting one. The trend that I've noticed with posters like Joseph is that their lack of ability to form proper sentences is almost always coupled with consistently posting messages like (and I'm translating here for legibility): "We don't need to be discussing issues here. All TVs have issues. We should talk about how awesome this TV is (because I own it)." This is a problem, in my opinion, and goes against the entire reason why AVS Forums exists, and it bothers me to see objective criticism of these TVs discouraged by these people. "D8000" was the worst offender of this, and it got to the point of him starting "appreciation" threads for the product. Thankfully, the admins banned him.

Sorry for going off topic for so long everyone. That's the end of my rant.

I never said I own the ES8000 I said I want to get it when price comes down. And so by u saying I said I own it u are putting words out there. Besides if I had the ES8000 I would put pictures up for U and the rest of the world. I am her on this forum to get info and to see people's thoughts about this tv. When I do get this tv I will sure put picture up and that's a promise
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You make some fine points, Aaron, and in the future I will stick to simply using the ignore feature. I'm not here to ruin anyone's day.

I do want to clarify something though: yes, it's frustrating when some of these posters have horrific spelling, punctuation, and/or grammar, but that's not what triggered that rant of mine. The problem with Joseph's post was its tone. I believe that Joseph has already stated a while back that he ordered a UNxxES8000, or he already may have one, or at the very least he's set on getting one. The trend that I've noticed with posters like Joseph is that their lack of ability to form proper sentences is almost always coupled with consistently posting messages like (and I'm translating here for legibility): "We don't need to be discussing issues here. All TVs have issues. We should talk about how awesome this TV is (because I own it)." This is a problem, in my opinion, and goes against the entire reason why AVS Forums exists, and it bothers me to see objective criticism of these TVs discouraged by these people. "D8000" was the worst offender of this, and it got to the point of him starting "appreciation" threads for the product. Thankfully, the admins banned him.

Sorry for going off topic for so long everyone. That's the end of my rant.

Thank you.

I can see exactly where you are coming from, positive and negative posts should be welcome. Otherwise there will be no balance and misinformation will potentially spread.

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