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Scene Select setting is in the on-screen Preferences Menu.

speaking of that, did you give those settings I posted a try?
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I can't find any sort of "scene" button on the remote, but I have been able to navigate to the picture adjustment menu. There is a "Picture Mode" setting that cycles between 'Standard', 'Vivid', and 'Custom'. I've kept it on 'Standard'.

The other settings are as follows:
Brightness: 50
Color: 60
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 65
Noise Reduction: Auto
MPEG Noise Reduction:Auto
Dot Noise Reduction: auto
Motionflow: Standard
CineMotion: Auto1

And then under advanced settings:
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Low
White Balance
Detail Enhancer: Medium
Edge Enhancer: Medium

I've only really viewed 1080p content via Netflix Streaming, Call of Duty on the 360, and Star Wars Blu on the PS3.

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Swift9000,
Scene Select setting is in the on-screen Preferences Menu.

I did wonder if it had changed for the 2012 sets.

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Hi all,
We received our 55HX750 as part of the projection replacement program. So far it's great and a huge upgrade from the projection though I haven't had time to play with the settings yet.

One question - has anyone else tried using the media remote app on the iphone? I got it to connect, but only when the TV is on and I'm in the wifi direct devices area. After that, the remote works fine for that viewing session until I turn the tv off. Then I have to go through the connect process again by turning the tv on and going to the wifi direct. Otherwise, it just gives me the can't connect error. I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this, or if it's normal that you can't connect and power on the TV from the media remote. Thanks!
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Hi and congrats to all the owners of this tv i'm thinking of getting this tv or the 46hx853 and wondered if it was possible for anyone to post pictures of there tvs in an at home enviroment?? i would love to see what they look like in a different setting, it would be greatly apprieciated.
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speaking of that, did you give those settings I posted a try?

Not yet.

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49Merc, thank you for the information on how to navigate to the scene select setting.

I also found the answer to one of my other previous questions, how to change HDMI inputs on the home theater receiver with the television remote: under "Applications" there is an application called "Home Theater Control," which lets you do just that.
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CNET just reviewed this model:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...=latestReviews

I was hoping for more
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So according to cnet this tv has a black level of .02671, and the nx720 has, .0002. They are both dynaminc edge led, so?
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Just read the cnet review , they compared it to the EX720 , Ouch !! I sure as hell hope not as I'm waiting for mine to be delivered next week as part of their replacement program for my green screen kds60A2020 . Are the black levels really as bad as this guy says they are ?? He did say the colors are some of the best he's seen on an LCD , so it wasn't all bad . Heres to hoping he just got a crappy test set lol ...

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Got any suggestions on a cheap stand for the hx750 ? , i attached a pic of my current setup so you have an idea of what will go in it . Well except the VHS my kids are now grown so those old Barney tapes and the VCR are about to get the boot

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CNET just reviewed this model:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...=latestReviews

I was hoping for more

Disappointing... Reviews that are done systematically and with numbers carry more weight. I guess I'll be waiting to see what the 850 can do since it's not too much more $.
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CNET just reviewed this model:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...=latestReviews

I was hoping for more

Is this tv as bad as the cnet review indicts it?
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I am thinking the review may be a bit harsh. The review indicated great color accuracy, good video processing and good picture quality.

It beats them up about black levels and price (being too expensive). It also has some uniformity issues but the review states it wasn't that noticeable.

Did they rate it harshly due to unrealistic expectations or are the black levels truly that bad?!

I was going to pick this tv up today. It is going in a very bright room. Are black levels more or less important in bright rooms?
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I am thinking the review may be a bit harsh. The review indicated great color accuracy, good video processing and good picture quality.

It beats them up about black levels and price (being too expensive). It also has some uniformity issues but the review states it wasn't that noticeable.

Did they rate it harshly due to unrealistic expectations or are the black levels truly that bad?!

I was going to pick this tv up today. It is going in a very bright room. Are black levels more or less important in bright rooms?

Those black levels put it in a class with wal-mart brands...black is pretty critical.
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Just read the cnet review , they compared it to the EX720 , Ouch !!

So what? As an owner of a 40EX720, this a really good thing to expect (in PVA panel version).

Last year, CNET disqualified the EX720 for its 'lighter' black levels, with a value of 0.11 cd/m²post calibration.

For information, results of other professionnal sites:
- Flatpanels HD: 0.03 cd/m²
- Hdtelevizija.com: 0.03 cd/m²
- Hdtvtest.co.uk: 0.05 cd/m²
- DigitalVersus: 0.05 cd/m²
- Televisioninfo.com: 0.06 cd/m²
- etc.
These are obviously excellent values. So who should we believe? CNET is not god, they can also be wrong sometimes.

That was for the EX720.

Now about the HX750, I am now waiting for more reviews, as I am interested in an upgrade. I do not feel totally confident though, as a french reviewer also mesured black levels at 0.20 cd/m² on this set (where the HX720 was mesured at 0.05).

Owners of this set, please give us feedback, and even pictures if possible =)
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@Xeno Good points, I wondered too, how valid are cnet results and 1 data point isn't too useful. I will watch those sites you mention...
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So according to cnet this tv has a black level of .02671, and the nx720 has, .0002. They are both dynaminc edge led, so?

From my understanding this tv uses frame dimming, so when there is a dark image on screen the light output of the screen is cut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRxljEfKaSc

I would imagine this means when there is an overall bright image on screen dark areas get neglected as to keep the bright areas bright.

Quote from cnet review indicating the led dynamic control system is different to last years NX72, HX72 and HX82 series.

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The TV features a LED edge-lit panel with Frame Dimming, a species of local dimming that's evidently less effective than the company's 2011 Dynamic Edge system found on models like the NX720.

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So what? As an owner of a 40EX720, this a really good thing to expect (in PVA panel version).

Last year, CNET disqualified the EX720 for its 'lighter' black levels, with a value of 0.11 cd/m²post calibration.

For information, results of other professionnal sites:
- Flatpanels HD: 0.03 cd/m²
- Hdtelevizija.com: 0.03 cd/m²
- Hdtvtest.co.uk: 0.05 cd/m²
- DigitalVersus: 0.05 cd/m²
- Televisioninfo.com: 0.06 cd/m²
- etc.
These are obviously excellent values. So who should we believe? CNET is not god, they can also be wrong sometimes.

That was for the EX720.

Now about the HX750, I am now waiting for more reviews, as I am interested in an upgrade. I do not feel totally confident though, as a french reviewer also mesured black levels at 0.20 cd/m² on this set (where the HX720 was mesured at 0.05).

Owners of this set, please give us feedback, and even pictures if possible =)

Easy buddy lol , I personally just never liked them . Was just my opinion . Maybe "Ouch" was a bit rough on my part lol ...

On another note I waited over a month before I choose this set . Of course as soon as I pull the trigger on Thursday , Friday the reviews start coming out , smh . Since your saying that another site posted similar numbers ( by the way mind posting the link so I can take a quick read ) I'm starting to worry a bit . I get it later this week I'll post my thoughts and pics as soon as I do .
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No problem, nothing against you, just tired to see CNET used a reference with such inconsistent results.

Here is the link of the french preview:
http://hdfever.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=973&p=1250

Fifth message:
Pour info, le HX750 ne propose ni Local Dimming, ni traitement Reality Creation alors que le HX720 de 2011 le proposait, résultat, pour le moment, les noirs mesurés sont bien moins profonds que sur le HX720 (0.20 cd/m² contre 0.05 sur le HX720 Ã* peu près) et le traitement de la TNT de moins bonne qualité.

-> 'For information, the HX750 doesn't have Local Dimming, nor Reality Creation processing whereas the HX720 from 2011 had it. As a result, for now, black levels mesured are far less deep than the HX720 (0.20 cd/m² against 0.05 on the HX720, approximately) and HD channels processing is not as good.'
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No problem, nothing against you, just tired to see CNET used a reference with such inconsistent results.

Here is the link of the french preview:
http://hdfever.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=973&p=1250

Fifth message:
Pour info, le HX750 ne propose ni Local Dimming, ni traitement Reality Creation alors que le HX720 de 2011 le proposait, résultat, pour le moment, les noirs mesurés sont bien moins profonds que sur le HX720 (0.20 cd/m² contre 0.05 sur le HX720 Ã* peu près) et le traitement de la TNT de moins bonne qualité.

-> 'For information, the HX750 doesn't have Local Dimming, nor Reality Creation processing whereas the HX720 from 2011 had it. As a result, for now, black levels mesured are far less deep than the HX720 (0.20 cd/m² against 0.05 on the HX720, approximately) and HD channels processing is not as good.'

Hmmm he mentions he contacted sony about a possible update to correct it , is something like that correctable through a firmware update ?? I'm not gonna overly concern myself until I get the set , everyone on here seems to be enjoying there's
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How were you able to use your Sony rewards points to get a brand new 2012 TV? I thought they only had older discontinued models on the rewards online catalog and when I called the store they said I couldnt use the points on my Sony rewards card. Plus I dont trust shipping a TV overstate. Please advise as Im getting ready to get an HX850 soon.
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I've had mine for about two weeks now 55". I'll admit it was an impulse purchase, had a lot of Sony rewards points sitting around, so it it was only a few hundred $$$ out of pocket. At that price it was a steal. Its replacing a 50" Samsung plasma which has moved from my living room setup to do bedroom duty. I can't fully comment on it yet as I dont own calibration gear and the settings I'm using from the previous generation set don't seem ideal.


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For those waiting for the HX850 to be available to view in person (as I am) I was told by a local Sony Store the availability has now been pushed back to 4/16 (previousuly 4/2) !!

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Here is the CNET picture settings used:
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_10...ture-settings/

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Does anyone have any opinions on how the hx750 compares to the LG LW6500? I know the LG model was last year's model but I am needing a tv for my living room ASAP and it got pretty good reviews. The downside is that no one carries it in their showroom so I can't see it for myself.

My living room has a lot of ambient light (windows) so I would prefer a matte screen. If anyone has any other suggestions on another matte unit, please let me know. I have posted on this forum several times but no one seems to respond...
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I honestly think I am a thread killer on this forum...
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Here is the CNET picture settings used:
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_10...ture-settings/

I used these setting with the exception of sharpness which I reset to 65 on our 46". We watched both a movie and TV without any black level issues. Overall very pleasing.

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I rented The Thing (2011) Blu-Ray from the red box today. I'll enter CNET's recommended picture settings and report back after watching the film.
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What 3d glasses are you guys using with this set right now ?
Me and my son wear glasses would the ps3 glasses be ok ?
I've read good things about them , only bad thing is that they fit a lil snug . They seem to be on sale often also .
If you know of another brand other than Sony I'd be open to it , thanks in advance for any reply's ...
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A few comments,

I previously had a Sony KDL 32XBR4 which met an early untimely demise and I'm a bit disappointed, given the price, that the HX750 seems to be much more of a struggle to dial in. I have one of my key viewing locations which is about 35 degrees off axis and the set washes out severely off axis, especially with the CNET settings. I know this is a common LCD problem but I would like to know if the HX750 is worse than average or if I was just really lucky with the previous 32XBR4. On axis viewing with normal content can actually look pretty good but seems to lack punch (e.g. often softer, washed out look (CNET setting). I don't get the motion flow feature; short of watching TV in a pitch black room, motion flow quickly makes the picture too dim for useful viewing. I have about 1 more week to decide whether to keep the set or brace for a fight to try and return.

Below are the three settings I have played with. The first set represents the CNET values. The second set is my tweak from the CNET settings and the third are my tweaks from Vivid. I haven't played with the tweaked Vivid as much, but when doing a comparison between it and CNET Tweaked it is a toss up to me as to whether overdriven whites detail artifacts of Vivid are more disturbing that the soft, washed out look of CNET and CNET tweaked.

Video Settings: CNET Ref / CNET Tweaked / Vivid Tweaked
--Picture Adjustments menu--
Setting Memory:[any]
Picture Mode: Custom* / Custom / Vivid
Backlight: 1 / 1 / 8
Picture: Max / Max / 62
Brightness: 50 / 54 / 56
Color: 52 / 54 / 60
Hue: G1 / G1 / 0
Color Temperature: Warm 2 / Warm 1 / Neutral
Sharpness: 40 / 65 / 80
Noise Reduction: Off / Off / Auto
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off / Off / Auto
Dot Noise Reduction: Off / Off / Auto
Motionflow: Off / Off / Auto
CineMotion: Auto 1 / Auto 1 / Auto 1

--Advanced Settings menu--
Black Corrector: Off / Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off / Off
Gamma: +1 / +1
Auto Light Limiter: Off / Off
Clear White: Off / Off
Live Color: Off / Off
Detail Enhancer: Off / Med
Edge Enhancer: Off / Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off [grayed out]
i/p Conversion Preference: Quality [grayed out]

--White Balance menu--
R-Gain: -2 / -2
G-Gain: 0 / 0
B-Gain: -1 / -1
R-Bias: -2 / -1
G-Bias: -2 / -1
B-Bias: -2 / -1

--Screen menu--
Setting Memory: [any]
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]
Auto Display Area: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel
Screen Position: [grayed out]
Vertical Size: 0 [grayed out]

--Pro Picture Setup menu--
[all settings default/Auto]

--Scene Select menu--
Cinema*

--Eco menu--
Power Saving: Off
Light Sensor: Off

I have a few questions for the Sony experts here:

1) In the CNet settings they suggest Scene Select set to Cinema. What does this mean as the Picture mode was already specified to be set to custom? Does this mean that the Picture Adjust Menu should be configured for custom, then repeated configuration after the scene select is changed, or do they mean to set the scene select first to cinema and then set the settings in which case the Custom picture mode is not quite accurate?

2) I read earlier in the thread mention of a software update. I know optimizations of algorithms are possible to some degree, though there are clearly limits to tweaking for architectural and design deficiencies. Is there any precedent for Sony actually substantially optimizing video performance via software update?

3) When set to Vivid, the Advanced Settings menu is ghosted out. Does anyone know what Advance Settings options which corresponds to the Vivid setting?
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As a side note, I tried setting the TV's HDMI input for my DIRECTV box to deep color to see its impact on a particularly bad contouring in a dark scene of the universe in a recorded episode of Fabric of the Cosmo. I know neither the content or STB are most likely doing anything with the deep color, but the change in setting did significantly improve the contouring. The overall image was perhaps darkened a bit and color temp looked a bit off, but even when bringing up the brightness, the contouring was still improved.

Has anyone experience in playing around with the deep color HDMI settings, pros/cons? I didn't play with the setting longer than 1-2 minutes, but would be interested in others thoughts?
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