Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Glenpool, Ok. USA
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I've now had this TV since the day before the super bowl and I'm not very happy with it so far. Bright scenes look stunning, but dark scenes have very poor black levels. If watching from either of the side couches it becomes horrendous, with a very washed out and almost pixelated look. I love the tv for it's bright scenes, beautiful colors and size (65") and I even like the 3d when used on non-native 3d material. The effect is quite good. True 3d material is awesome! But the flashlighting/clouding, as I'm now learning it's called (to which I'm shocked to have to deal with on new tv tech) is terrible and I hate it. For some reason I did not see this at all when it was on display at the store. The blacks were pitch black there; not sure how, but I mean as black as a Kuro. Though I should have been suspicious as the higher end model Sammy of this same tv (though 60" instead of 65) right next to it had a far worse picture than it.
This 65" 6500 on display was beautiful to behold. It was the only tv on the wall, in the midst of like, 60 tv's, that was literally stopping every customer walking by. I watched, on 3 different occasions, people stop in their tracks, find a helper and buy it on the spot. I got the last one when I got mine. So either they calibrated this tv or they just got really lucky and got a great panel out of the box, or both (I'm thinking both as it's still stunning to look at even now). I should of tried to buy it off the wall. If you're wondering, no it was not in torch mode (though the higher end model Sammy next to it DEFINITELY is). This had, by my eyes, close to a 6500 kelvin setting that I've grown to love and as I said, perfect blacks. No clouding, flashlighting, nothing at all.
In fact, the only thing that compared was the Sharp Elite in the room next to it. Which I can tell is either calibrated too or just real dang good out of the box. Granted, it wasn't at that level, but it's the only other TV on the wall that compared. Chalk that up to almost all of them in demo/torch mode though.
Gaming is a mixed bag. 3d is cool but I hate being stuck in "standard" mode when turning "game mode" to on. This causes the micro dimming (or whatever it's called) where I can see constant changes in the picture's brightness/contrast (not sure which) but it is absolutely un-watchable as it's a constant distraction. Without game-mode to on I can't deal with the input lag inherent in the panel.
I think I'm sending it back (30 day return policy) and either getting a Panny VT50 or probably will try to hold out for the 65" ZT60 as I'm hearing some nice things about it from CES. I have two plasma's now, an old 1080p 50" Panny from quite a few years ago (around the time of the 2nd to last year Kuro died) and a cheapo something 720p 50" wal-mart black friday sale tv from about 2 ago.
The only issue I have with the Panny is over the years I've lost a considerable amount of contrast/brightness. Definitely nothing to scoff at and definitely an issue for me going forward. I'm not sure if that's inherent with the tech or what but it looks NOWHERE close to what it used to look like. Never had a single thing burn in on either tv (Panny was broke in proper over 2 days on a dvd disk, el-cheapo was just thrown up and on). I've had a total or IR twice on both tv's; both times it was fixed within minutes using some white-screen thingy in the options. Easy peezy and such a laughably overrated "issue". Though I will grant for certain people that watch a lot of fixed news stations for many hours every day a definite real issue for them. But for the avg user and especially movie loving gamer, I've never had a single burn in problem.
I wanted to love this tv so bad and it definitely has a few big time properties. Brightness, color and overall WOW factor on bright scenes will drop your jaw! But dark scenes, clouding/flashlighting and off-angle viewing (wow is it narrow!) along with the input lag on all but game-mode just kill it for me. I can't wait till we can have these kinds of brights with plasma kinds of blacks. OLED, whatever.
Though I will say, my old Windows 7 Samsung phone had an AMOLED screen and those black levels are the best I've ever seen. Now they have something like Super AMOLED ++ coming on phones. If you really want to see display technology and what they CAN do, check out the latest phones. Man I wish TV's would progress along those same timelines. I now have a Nokia 920 Windows 8 phone (black levels nowere near the Windows 7 Sammy, which are by my estimate absolute perfection, unable to ever be topped, ever, ever, ever; as they were literally black as black can ever get!) but decent black levels but the rest of the display on the Nokia 920 is just staggeringly impressive. 6500 kelvin out of the box, smooth as butter and overall just, wow. Still miss my old Sammy Win 7 perfect blacks though. I was told this was due to it turning individual pixels completely off. Which makes sense how they're so perfect.
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