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Picked up the 65ES6550 from Costco a week ago and think I have a settings problem. PS3 & blu-ray player are connected with HDMI cables and I'm using CNET's movie settings from earlier in this thread. Regular DVDs played on either device look great on this tv, but blu-rays look terrible - picture is very grainy. I suspect there's an easy fix to this, but haven't figured it out yet. Any ideas?
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I have the SSG-4100GB 3D glasses that came with my UN55ES6500. I was thinking of trying 3rd party after market glasses that may help reducing crosstalk in 3D blu-ray movies. Are there any universal after market glasses that are compatible with this TV?
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I've not tried a professional calibration, and likely I won't. My take is that the variation in quality of the sources is a significant factor, even now. I'm pretty happy with most BDs and cable channels with the settings I have now. I do have a calibration disk and may eventually use it. Paying someone else to do something I feel competent to do is unlikely.

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Can you share your calibrations? I'm pretty happy with the settings I have but what I find is that most pictures are sharp and vibrant but also have natural skin coloring. However, while some commercials are perfect, others seem like they are foggy or hazy. I never noticed the haze with my other TV. If everything was hazy, I would go back to tweaking the settings but most actual TV shows look pretty good.

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I have the SSG-4100GB 3D glasses that came with my UN55ES6500. I was thinking of trying 3rd party after market glasses that may help reducing crosstalk in 3D blu-ray movies. Are there any universal after market glasses that are compatible with this TV?

I believe glasses have no effect to reduce crosstalk. 4100GB glasses are no so bad in terms of PQ. I also have Panasonic glasses with my es6710 - no difference at all.

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I believe glasses have no effect to reduce crosstalk. 4100GB glasses are no so bad in terms of PQ. I also have Panasonic glasses with my es6710 - no difference at all.

Damn. Really sucks having a $2000 TV that 3D Blu-ray movies don't work right on. I still find it strange that Explore 3D looks great while 3D Blu-ray movies are just fair. Same movies look fine on my brother's LG passive TV. frown.gif
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Damn. Really sucks having a $2000 TV that 3D Blu-ray movies don't work right on. I still find it strange that Explore 3D looks great while 3D Blu-ray movies are just fair. Same movies look fine on my brother's LG passive TV. frown.gif

Try set the SHARPNESS up to 90-100, gives better result.

3D Bluray outputs 1080p@24Hz is not good/too slow for 3D shutter tech. Explore 3D are 60Hz.
You can try set the 3D bluray player to output at 1920x1080p@30Hz or 1920x1080i@60Hz interlaced mode or 1280x720p@60Hz, see if it gives better 3D.

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Try set the SHARPNESS up to 90-100, gives better result.

3D Bluray outputs 1080p@24Hz is not good/too slow for 3D shutter tech. Explore 3D are 60Hz.
You can try set the 3D bluray player to output at 1920x1080p@30Hz or 1920x1080i@60Hz interlaced mode or 1280x720p@60Hz, see if it gives better 3D.

tips:
http://hometheater.about.com/od/3dhometheaterfaqs/a/How-To-Adjust-A-3d-Tv-For-Best-3d-Viewing-Results.htm


Unfortunately on my Sony BDP-S470 the video output settings (720, 1080i, etc...) only effect 2D. 3D always defaults to 1080/24p. Is there a Blu-ray player that will allow you to adjust 3D movies to 30hz or 60hz???
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Unfortunately on my Sony BDP-S470 the video output settings (720, 1080i, etc...) only effect 2D. 3D always defaults to 1080/24p. Is there a Blu-ray player that will allow you to adjust 3D movies to 30hz or 60hz???

Probably no, it seems 3D bluray is standardized at 1080p/24Hz output and 3D hdmi 1.4 3D spec. is max. 1080p/30Hz framepacking, but it probably doesn't matter the crosstalk anyway. Probably only with a 3D bluray HTPC could be tweaked to alternated outputs.
And Explore 3D isn't Full HD 3D framepacking, probably 3D half SBS, T/B O/U methods

Maybe the expensiver models from above es7000 with native 240Hz 3D panels have better crosstalk/3D spec. since es6500 panel's native is 120Hz.
Try it out in a store to compare if it does matter the 3D specs.

You need to try this to minimize the crosstalk beside SHARPNESS at 90-100 and with proper brightness/contrast etc.:
Try moving back and forth in the 3D viewing distance to find the sweetspot with minimal crosstalk, since this spot is 3D movie source dependent in which way the 3D camera is adjusted and probably will vary with each movie.
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I believe glasses have no effect to reduce crosstalk. 4100GB glasses are no so bad in terms of PQ. I also have Panasonic glasses with my es6710 - no difference at all.

The type/model of 3D glasses can have a dramatic effect on crosstalk, especially the difference between say 1st, 2nd and 3rd generations of glasses.
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Damn. Really sucks having a $2000 TV that 3D Blu-ray movies don't work right on. I still find it strange that Explore 3D looks great while 3D Blu-ray movies are just fair. Same movies look fine on my brother's LG passive TV. frown.gif

The problem with Samsung 3D is it is very inconsistent from size to size due to the use of different panels within the same line. For instance, the 60es8000 has inferior 3D with alot more crosstalk than the 65es8000 which has virtually none due to the 60 using a Sharp made panel and the 65 using a Samsung made panel. Crosstalk should be non existent if your Samsung has a Samsung made panel, but if it uses a Sharp or other type of panel, this could be why you see crosstalk with your 3D blurays. Samsung tvs with an actual Samsung panel will exhibit virtually no crosstalk whatsoever.
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The type/model of 3D glasses can have a dramatic effect on crosstalk, especially the difference between say 1st, 2nd and 3rd generations of glasses.

So do you know which glasses is better than SSG-4100GB for 2012 Samsungs?
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So do you which glasses is better than SSG-4100GB for 2012 Samsungs?
TIA.

Not familiar with the Samsung model numbers as I used the Panasonic Bluetooth glasses with the 65ES8000 and there was zero crosstalk. However, the 60ES8000 had horrendous 3D riddled with crosstalk. This was conclusive after testing 3 65ES8000s and 4 60ES8000, so if you are using the 2012 Samsung made glasses, any excessive crosstalk you are seeing is a problem with the tv. If you are using Samsung glasses from 2010 or 2011, then try a pair from 2012 to see if they provide better results.
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Thinking about either taking my 6100 back for a 6500 or a Panasonic ST50 – anyone care to chime in why I should choose the Samsung over the Panasonic?

I watch A LOT of the 24 news channels that all have static banners and logos. I see a lot of talk about the ‘IR’ (image retention?) that still persists on the plasmas. Is it going to be more headache than it is worth to babysit it? This was my original concern and now I’m back to it.

I calibrated my 6100 with the 10 Point White Balance last night and it looked pretty awesome with Blu-ray. Would I expect the ‘backlit’ 6500 to be even better I’m guessing? I’m sure the Samsung ‘smart’ features are superior, but I have a Widi device already and would probably upgrade it if I needed anything more in the ‘smart’ department.

It really boils down to the picture quality vs. the hassles of plasma I suppose. Appreciate input.

I'm returning my Panasonic GT50 because of IR problems I started having. I too watch a lot of the same news channels. Not for 6+ hour blocks or anything but I have the msnbc header thats faintly present. At most I watch this channel an hour or two at a time, albeit it a couple times a day. Conventional wisdom is Plasma may not be a good fit, so am going to a Samsung lcd.
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Any recommendations? Do you think the $250 would really make all that much of a difference and would be worth it? Please share your experience with professional calibration.

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Personally, I think spending money like that is only worth it after you've done everything you can to tweak the set, including using a calibration DVD like the Disney WOW dvd. Also, if movies are your thing, make sure you have a capable and good quality blu ray dvd player. If it was me I would put that money towards an Oppo player.
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Probably no, it seems 3D bluray is standardized at 1080p/24Hz output and 3D hdmi 1.4 3D spec. is max. 1080p/30Hz framepacking, but it probably doesn't matter the crosstalk anyway. Probably only with a 3D bluray HTPC could be tweaked to alternated outputs.
And Explore 3D isn't Full HD 3D framepacking, probably 3D half SBS, T/B O/U methods

Maybe the expensiver models from above es7000 with native 240Hz 3D panels have better crosstalk/3D spec. since es6500 panel's native is 120Hz.
Try it out in a store to compare if it does matter the 3D specs.

You need to try this to minimize the crosstalk beside SHARPNESS at 90-100 and with proper brightness/contrast etc.:
Try moving back and forth in the 3D viewing distance to find the sweetspot with minimal crosstalk, since this spot is 3D movie source dependent in which way the 3D camera is adjusted and probably will vary with each movie.

I have the software DVD FAB. Is there a way of converting my Blu-ray with a program like that to make it more of a TV broadcast 3D format to help eliminate crosstalk???
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The problem with Samsung 3D is it is very inconsistent from size to size due to the use of different panels within the same line. For instance, the 60es8000 has inferior 3D with alot more crosstalk than the 65es8000 which has virtually none due to the 60 using a Sharp made panel and the 65 using a Samsung made panel. Crosstalk should be non existent if your Samsung has a Samsung made panel, but if it uses a Sharp or other type of panel, this could be why you see crosstalk with your 3D blurays. Samsung tvs with an actual Samsung panel will exhibit virtually no crosstalk whatsoever.

Is there any way I can tell if I have a SHARP panel? Samsung told me the only use Samsung panels.
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I have the software DVD FAB. Is there a way of converting my Blu-ray with a program like that to make it more of a TV broadcast 3D format to help eliminate crosstalk???

Don't know about which software to do this, but it's possible as I download 3D movie torrents, that are 3D Bluray ripped into 3D HD 1920x1080p half SBS formats.
These H-SBS formats just play as normal 1920x1080p video format with a 2 images side by side video, the 3D TV convert SBS into 1 image video, means half horizontal resolution per eye, 3D will be 960x1080p video, hence half SBS.

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YES, you can rip it into a half SBS 1920x1080p normal videofile mp4: http://www.dvdfab.com/blu-ray-3d-ripper/sbs-3d-video.htm
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Is there any way I can tell if I have a SHARP panel? Samsung told me the only use Samsung panels.

see post #691:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406151/the-official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/691

btw. Don't enter/mess with the service mode if you don't know what to do, it'll reset current settings when just enter in sm and don't factory reset in the service menu, it will corrupt tv functions and all settings and is probably not recoverable without in factory calibration/hardware!
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After 3 weeks of tweaking I finally have my Samsung looking great with a crisp picture with plenty of detail and natural looking flsh tones. I started with a few calibrations listed on different websites and after many settings am finally happy. Initially, I could get the color right on the Movie mode but couldn't get the picture to pop and not look hazy or washed out. Anyway, hopefully this will help someone else.

Picture Mode: Movie
Backlight 17
Contrast 90
Brightness 45
Sharpness 15
Color 48
Tint G50/R50

ADVANCE SETTINGS
Dynamic Contrast Low
Black Tone Dark
Flesh Tone 0
RGB Only Mode Off
Color Space Native
10pt White Balance On
Gamma -1
Expert Pattern Off
xvYCC Off

PICTURE OPTIONS
Color Tone Warm1
Digital Noise Filter Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
HDMI Black Level Low
Film Mode Auto1
Auto Motion Plus Clear Off
LED Motion Plus Off

10PT WHITE BALANCE
ON
Interval Red Green Blue
1 0 -1 -1
2 -1 -1 -1
3 0 0 0
4 -1 0 +1
5 -1 -1 +1
6 -1 -1 -1
7 -1 -1 -1
8 0 0 0
9 +1 0 0
10 +2 0 0

WHITE BALANCE
Setting Value
R-Offset 25
G-Offset 25
B-Offset 28
R-Gain 18
G-Gain 23
B-Gain 21
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Is there any way I can tell if I have a SHARP panel? Samsung told me the only use Samsung panels.
There should be a white box on the back of the TV panel. It will give basic info about the TV. Look for where it says Version. If it says Version TS01 or TS02, then it is Samsung. CS02 is Chi Mei. I believe H versions are Sharp.
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I've now had this TV since the day before the super bowl and I'm not very happy with it so far. Bright scenes look stunning, but dark scenes have very poor black levels. If watching from either of the side couches it becomes horrendous, with a very washed out and almost pixelated look. I love the tv for it's bright scenes, beautiful colors and size (65") and I even like the 3d when used on non-native 3d material. The effect is quite good. True 3d material is awesome! But the flashlighting/clouding, as I'm now learning it's called (to which I'm shocked to have to deal with on new tv tech) is terrible and I hate it. For some reason I did not see this at all when it was on display at the store. The blacks were pitch black there; not sure how, but I mean as black as a Kuro. Though I should have been suspicious as the higher end model Sammy of this same tv (though 60" instead of 65) right next to it had a far worse picture than it.

This 65" 6500 on display was beautiful to behold. It was the only tv on the wall, in the midst of like, 60 tv's, that was literally stopping every customer walking by. I watched, on 3 different occasions, people stop in their tracks, find a helper and buy it on the spot. I got the last one when I got mine. So either they calibrated this tv or they just got really lucky and got a great panel out of the box, or both (I'm thinking both as it's still stunning to look at even now). I should of tried to buy it off the wall. If you're wondering, no it was not in torch mode (though the higher end model Sammy next to it DEFINITELY is). This had, by my eyes, close to a 6500 kelvin setting that I've grown to love and as I said, perfect blacks. No clouding, flashlighting, nothing at all.

In fact, the only thing that compared was the Sharp Elite in the room next to it. Which I can tell is either calibrated too or just real dang good out of the box. Granted, it wasn't at that level, but it's the only other TV on the wall that compared. Chalk that up to almost all of them in demo/torch mode though.

Gaming is a mixed bag. 3d is cool but I hate being stuck in "standard" mode when turning "game mode" to on. This causes the micro dimming (or whatever it's called) where I can see constant changes in the picture's brightness/contrast (not sure which) but it is absolutely un-watchable as it's a constant distraction. Without game-mode to on I can't deal with the input lag inherent in the panel.

I think I'm sending it back (30 day return policy) and either getting a Panny VT50 or probably will try to hold out for the 65" ZT60 as I'm hearing some nice things about it from CES. I have two plasma's now, an old 1080p 50" Panny from quite a few years ago (around the time of the 2nd to last year Kuro died) and a cheapo something 720p 50" wal-mart black friday sale tv from about 2 ago.

The only issue I have with the Panny is over the years I've lost a considerable amount of contrast/brightness. Definitely nothing to scoff at and definitely an issue for me going forward. I'm not sure if that's inherent with the tech or what but it looks NOWHERE close to what it used to look like. Never had a single thing burn in on either tv (Panny was broke in proper over 2 days on a dvd disk, el-cheapo was just thrown up and on). I've had a total or IR twice on both tv's; both times it was fixed within minutes using some white-screen thingy in the options. Easy peezy and such a laughably overrated "issue". Though I will grant for certain people that watch a lot of fixed news stations for many hours every day a definite real issue for them. But for the avg user and especially movie loving gamer, I've never had a single burn in problem.

I wanted to love this tv so bad and it definitely has a few big time properties. Brightness, color and overall WOW factor on bright scenes will drop your jaw! But dark scenes, clouding/flashlighting and off-angle viewing (wow is it narrow!) along with the input lag on all but game-mode just kill it for me. I can't wait till we can have these kinds of brights with plasma kinds of blacks. OLED, whatever.

Though I will say, my old Windows 7 Samsung phone had an AMOLED screen and those black levels are the best I've ever seen. Now they have something like Super AMOLED ++ coming on phones. If you really want to see display technology and what they CAN do, check out the latest phones. Man I wish TV's would progress along those same timelines. I now have a Nokia 920 Windows 8 phone (black levels nowere near the Windows 7 Sammy, which are by my estimate absolute perfection, unable to ever be topped, ever, ever, ever; as they were literally black as black can ever get!) but decent black levels but the rest of the display on the Nokia 920 is just staggeringly impressive. 6500 kelvin out of the box, smooth as butter and overall just, wow. Still miss my old Sammy Win 7 perfect blacks though. I was told this was due to it turning individual pixels completely off. Which makes sense how they're so perfect.

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Anyone know what the new firmware 001027 updates on the ES6500 TV's? Samsung's web site doesn't say anything. I called Samsung and they said all they see is what we see on the web site. They have no other info.
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I'd like to know this as well.


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After 3 weeks of tweaking I finally have my Samsung looking great with a crisp picture with plenty of detail and natural looking flsh tones. I started with a few calibrations listed on different websites and after many settings am finally happy. Initially, I could get the color right on the Movie mode but couldn't get the picture to pop and not look hazy or washed out. Anyway, hopefully this will help someone else.

Picture Mode: Movie
Backlight 17
Contrast 90
Brightness 45
Sharpness 15
Color 48
Tint G50/R50

ADVANCE SETTINGS
Dynamic Contrast Low
Black Tone Dark
Flesh Tone 0
RGB Only Mode Off
Color Space Native
10pt White Balance On
Gamma -1
Expert Pattern Off
xvYCC Off

PICTURE OPTIONS
Color Tone Warm1
Digital Noise Filter Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
HDMI Black Level Low
Film Mode Auto1
Auto Motion Plus Clear Off
LED Motion Plus Off

10PT WHITE BALANCE
ON
Interval Red Green Blue
1 0 -1 -1
2 -1 -1 -1
3 0 0 0
4 -1 0 +1
5 -1 -1 +1
6 -1 -1 -1
7 -1 -1 -1
8 0 0 0
9 +1 0 0
10 +2 0 0

WHITE BALANCE
Setting Value
R-Offset 25
G-Offset 25
B-Offset 28
R-Gain 18
G-Gain 23
B-Gain 21

Thank you for sharing these settings. I've applied them and it seems to be the best one that's been posted so far.


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Thank you for sharing these settings. I've applied them and it seems to be the best one that's been posted so far.

You are very welcome. I know that I was getting pretty frustrated after about two weeks of tweaking every night. And my husband - would be like - "can you just cut it out and leave it be?" Of course I kept tweaking but now can finally sit back and enjoy. I searched and searched the Internet for settings and started with some calibrations that were listed as being professionally done and then tweaked from there. For me, most of the calibrations I found got close but still kind of looked a little washed out. Putting the Gamma at a -1 gave a little more punch to the picture.

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You are very welcome. I know that I was getting pretty frustrated after about two weeks of tweaking every night. And my husband - would be like - "can you just cut it out and leave it be?" Of course I kept tweaking but now can finally sit back and enjoy. I searched and searched the Internet for settings and started with some calibrations that were listed as being professionally done and then tweaked from there. For me, most of the calibrations I found got close but still kind of looked a little washed out. Putting the Gamma at a -1 gave a little more punch to the picture.

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I was in the same boat. Followed some other calibrations and then tweaked from there. I was pretty happy with where I had mine set, except for my reds were bleeding out too much. With your configuration, I'm much happier. Thanks.


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I was in the same boat. Followed some other calibrations and then tweaked from there. I was pretty happy with where I had mine set, except for my reds were bleeding out too much. With your configuration, I'm much happier. Thanks.

I tweaked a bit more and and am even happier. I only changed:

Contrast from 90 to 85
Brightness from 45 to 47

I checked around for pro calibration services and found the nearest to be 90 miles away with the cost being $350 plus additional fees for mileage. I can't see paying 1/3 of the cost of the TV for a pro calibration. So needless to say, I'm doing the DIY tweaking. I really like the process and would like it better if I really knew the science behind it all. Hmmmmm, maybe a 2nd career? tongue.gif. I could do affordable calibration in NH and get everyone's TV looking great. wink.gif. Just maybe .......
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Unbelievable how little Samsung support people know about their firmware updates. I called and asked about the 001027 firmware to see what's in the update and they said they don't know, because it doesn't say anything on the web site yet. Geez...that's the reason I called because it doesn't say on the web site. I have no idea why they would provide the update through the TV and not inform their support people what's in it. Crazy!
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Well, I got it taken back. I didn't want to wait the full 60 days I had as it felt kind of wrong. I wasn't happy with the picture at all and could never tweak it to anything I could live with. BB gave me some very minor resistance but quickly folded and refunded the full price. Now the long wait for my new TV sets it. Ugh.

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