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OK, after watching Life of Pi BD last night, I'm determined that I really need to return this piece of crap. The hair looks green whenever the actor moves on the screen for god sake!

Stay away from LED, back to Plasma!

this is exactly why you should research before buying. it's not LED VS Plasma, it's a particular defect with this size within this model. LCD technology alone does not make the hair go green. please do some research.

the inherent flaw is within the panel used, and its vertical refresh rate that is assigned to the panel. someone in a previous post a while back had the guts to try a different panel ID and fixed it, another person was able to update the T-con board firmware and got rid of it as well. which essentially tells the TV to use a different panel refresh rate that's meant for a higher end model. why Samsung hasn't publicly admit this flaw and address it baffles me and it's not right the fact that it's fixable with a firmware. but for you to outright say stay away from LED is just plain naive.

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... for you to outright say stay away from LED is just plain naive.

You're right. What I meant to say was: I'll stay away from led, back to plasma! I'm just too used to plasma.

Other then the green hair artifacts, I also noticed that an all white background (like in a typical car sale advertisement) yields a overly brighter picture which hurt my eyes. I've never noticed this in a plasma. Turning the cell light down doesn't help because it will negatively affect the colour for the actual TV show.
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You're right. What I meant to say was: I'll stay away from led, back to plasma! I'm just too used to plasma.

Other then the green hair artifacts, I also noticed that an all white background (like in a typical car sale advertisement) yields a overly brighter picture which hurt my eyes. I've never noticed this in a plasma. Turning the cell light down doesn't help because it will negatively affect the colour for the actual TV show.

sounds like you're just really used to the Plasma look. i am the complete oposite. my wife and i are both used to brighter whites than the typical plasma dimm white. i actually almost bought the PN60E7000 but the wife really wanted the bright LED.

have you tried the settings i posted on the amazon review?

if you like the dimmer look, turning the backlight down to 9 might work out better for you. try backlight 9 and contrast 95, and brightness 45. and make sure dynamic contrast is set to either off or low. try those settings for both Movie mode and standard see which one you like better. but the green shadow i agree, is distracting. one thing through my findings is that the problem is less extreme in Standard mode, so you might want to start from there.

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you should've read my review on the green halo / green trail of blur on the 60 inch ES6500 here and on Amazon. it's a widely known issue for the 60~65 inch model for ES6500. there's nothing you can do to fix that, i've since upgraded to ES8000. the European model of the ES6500 is having the same issue with the 60~65 inch model.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R25JZ6JPS5ARPT/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0077QWVX4&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=#wasThisHelpful

I have not been able to see the trailing issue on my 65"ES6500.

My Visio 65"M6500 has the red trialing but activating the "smooth" setting has minimized the issue drastically.


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Plasma actually truncates the contrast curve. It is actually an error resulting in an inaccurate PQ compressing the contrast dynamic range. I have a three year old 50" plasma.

Make sure dynamic contrast is off. Also if reducing the contrast causing color change then you have to have the grey scale calibrated. 

I don't like overly bright either and contrast 60 works great for me.


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I have not been able to see the trailing issue on my 65"ES6500.
My Visio 65"M6500 has the red trialing but activating the "smooth" setting has minimized the issue drastically.

if you don't see it, or don't notice it.. you're lucky and don't worry about it. be happy with your set. i bet Samsung is banking on most consumers won't notice it as well. in fact, my wife didn't see it unti i pointed it out. but once seen, it can't be unseen.

so do yourself a favor, don't bother.

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if you don't see it, or don't notice it.. you're lucky and don't worry about it. be happy with your set. i bet Samsung is banking on most consumers won't notice it as well. in fact, my wife didn't see it unti i pointed it out. but once seen, it can't be unseen.

so do yourself a favor, don't bother.

I purposely used a conservative word. I have scrutinized the image. It is not there given the fact that I am familiar with trailing.

What panel did you have in your TV? I believe it is green pixel delay that shows up in some units.


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I purposely used a conservative word. I have scrutinized the image. It is not there given the fact that I am familiar with trailing.
What panel did you have in your TV? I believe it is green pixel delay that shows up in some units.

if you go back to page 7~13 of this thread you'll read all about it. i don't have the TV anymore. but it's definitely a issue in 60~65. i am not going to spend more time on something i no longer posses. hopefully the settings i suggested will help Fanbanlo out.

for the record, i initially thought like you did that it was pixel response time, but it's not. since it could be fixed with a T-con update, or a panel ID change. it's obvious that Samsung used a higher end panel on their lower end screen in order to save on retooling cost. but the firmware that programed with it is not up to par.

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if you go back to page 7~13 of this thread you'll read all about it. i don't have the TV anymore. but it's definitely a issue in 60~65. i am not going to spend more time on something i no longer posses. hopefully the settings i suggested will help Fanbanlo out.

So you believe that either I am unable to see it or ignorant about the issue? I will look again tonight regardless the time I spent on it previously.

There is no proof that all the sets are affected. Mine is proof of that. In fact lots of report on bad flash lighting on this set as well. But my set is nearly perfect free from both flash lighting and clouding. What I see is a minor edge elevated black level. It was noticeable out of box but it has settled down to a very low level. Watching mll letter boxed in total dark produces an even black level all over. My set is calibrated with colorimeter BTW.


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So you believe that either I am unable to see it or ignorant about the issue? I will look again tonight regardless the time I spent on it previously.
There is no proof that all the sets are affected. Mine is proof of that. In fact lots of report on bad flash lighting on this set as well. But my set is nearly perfect free from both flash lighting and clouding. What I see is a minor edge elevated black level. It was noticeable out of box but it has settled down to a very low level. Watching mll letter boxed in total dark produces an even black level all over. My set is calibrated with colorimeter BTW.

read bottom of this page on post #489.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1401438/official-samsung-unxxes6500-owners-thread/480

it takes you to another european forum that also has the same problem, but some of the users were able to put up sample images. go home and look for it. if you don't see it, consider yourself lucky that either your set is magical, or your eyes deceive you. either case if you don't see it, consider yourself lucky.

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read bottom of this page on post #489.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1401438/official-samsung-unxxes6500-owners-thread/480

it takes you to another european forum that also has the same problem, but some of the users were able to put up sample images. go home and look for it. if you don't see it, consider yourself lucky that either your set is magical, or your eyes deceive you. either case if you don't see it, consider yourself lucky.

No my eyes are not deceiving me nor my set is magical. I am home and again see no issues with it. The best way to see trailing is actually turn color to zero. I have seen trailing so many times before (including computer monitor)so I know exactly what it looks like.

Again it is a hit and miss problem most likely. My set is in return period in case I need to return it.


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^^^ you're just lucky then. if you don't see it in dark scenes, then you got a good set. i had to return mine. i liked it a lot, it had no clouding, minmal flash light, and it was cheap, and did 3d. i had to shell out a couple hundred more when i took it back and upgraded to the ES8000, which is a step up in PQ, but of course i had to pay more.

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^^^ you're just lucky then. if you don't see it in dark scenes, then you got a good set. i had to return mine. i liked it a lot, it had no clouding, minmal flash light, and it was cheap, and did 3d. i had to shell out a couple hundred more when i took it back and upgraded to the ES8000, which is a step up in PQ, but of course i had to pay more.

Did you exchange the unit at all for the sake of ruling out the possibility of getting an issue free set? Did you figure out what panel was in the set? Glad you have a good ES8000 now.


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Did you exchange the unit at all for the sake of ruling out the possibility of getting an issue free set? Did you figure out what panel was in the set? Glad you have a good ES8000 now.

if you go back to the thread you'll see that people exchanged it for the same problem. since i got it from Pauls, they on'y have ONE exchange policy, so i chose to uggrade. i got a great deal on the ES8000, they price matched the online amazon price, which only came down to a few hundred more.

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if you go back to the thread you'll see that people exchanged it for the same problem. since i got it from Pauls, they on'y have ONE exchange policy, so i chose to uggrade. i got a great deal on the ES8000, they price matched the online amazon price, which only came down to a few hundred more.

When it comes to TV I would never fall into restricted return/exchange policy dictated by dealers. Time ago paul's offered a great price on a set but due to its policy I ran away.


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I picked up a UN40ES6500 today from BB for the bedroom it is replacing a LN40e550 which I'm moving to the kids room to free up some space. He had the last of the dinosaurs in the family a Panasonic 30" CRT that was about 10 yrs old. After a little tweaking mine doesn't look too bad just pic seemed a little dim straight out of the box. But the good thing is I don't see any banding or clouding and only min flashlighting with the backlight cranked to max. I'm going to play with it and see if its a keeper in a week or so.
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I picked up a UN65es6550 at Sam's this weekend for $1374 +tax (open box). So far i am very happy with it. I was looking at the Vizio 70" but this was cheaper. I don't see any flashlights or clouding. Still playing with the settings to see what works best.
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I'm returning my UN60ES6500 tmr. However, I set the color space to Auto last night and the tint of green is gone! However, the hair on NBA players still look very bad... well at least I got rid of the tint of green. I think I can live with the set, but it's too late, already scheduled BestBuy to pick it up tomorrow. I know I will miss the day time TV, but I still prefer plasma for a movie night. smile.gif
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I'm returning my UN60ES6500 tmr. However, I set the color space to Auto last night and the tint of green is gone! However, the hair on NBA players still look very bad... well at least I got rid of the tint of green. I think I can live with the set, but it's too late, already scheduled BestBuy to pick it up tomorrow. I know I will miss the day time TV, but I still prefer plasma for a movie night. smile.gif

Mine has some vertical thin black lines (banding) visible when panning on solid color mid contrast and all white screen. No horizontal banding nor green hair artifacts. Otherwise an excellent set.

What is the manufacturing date on yours?


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please please please share your settings. my flashlighting is terrible!
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My UN40ES6500 Calibration settings using Disney Wow disk

Picture - Movie
Backlight - 13
Contrast - 90
Brightness - 46
Sharpness - 10
Color - 52
Tint(G/R) - G48 / R52

Advanced Settings
Dynamic Contrast - Low
Black Tone -Darkest
Flesh Tone - 0
RGB Only Mode - Off
Color Space - Native
White Balance
R- Offset - 25
G- Offset - 25
B- Offset -25
R- Gain - 18
G- Gain - 23
B- Gain - 25
10p White Balance - Off
Gamma +1

Picture Options
Color Tone - Warm 2
Digital noise Filter - Off
MPEG Noise Filter - Off
Film Mode Auto 1
Auto Motion Off
LED Motion Plus Off
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thank you very much for these. i tried on my comcast box and looks good. ran same settings on my ps3 input and still seeing flashlighting. i know i can turn backlight ddown but when i turn on 3d i link to crank that business all the way up to keep the brightness up with the sunglasses on. i bought from amazon in december. i believe im waaay past any type of return window so should i employ the warranty i purchased?
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thank you very much for these. i tried on my comcast box and looks good. ran same settings on my ps3 input and still seeing flashlighting. i know i can turn backlight ddown but when i turn on 3d i link to crank that business all the way up to keep the brightness up with the sunglasses on. i bought from amazon in december. i believe im waaay past any type of return window so should i employ the warranty i purchased?
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I'm not sure there is a TV out there that if you "crank up" the backlight and the brightness you will not see some negative effect. I always try and watch 3d in as dark a room as possible. I would recommend either paying for a calibration or get a disk as all panels are different but I have learned a lot from using the Disney Wow disk and haven't gotten to all the advanced settings.
Remember if you start playing the exchange game or the panel lottery with warranty claims you can always get a worse TV and from the sound of things you have a good set.
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I would suggest tuning the black tone off and gamma to 0. To compensate turning the backlid lower. That improves the black level and hides the clouding.

If your using the set in dark that can be accomplished.  In semi dark/bright room my set does well with backlit at 6 and contrast at 90. Still lots of punch and pop.

I have the 65" BTW.


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Just wanted to pass along this experience...

unboxed a new UN50ES6500F

I plugged in the cable to the cable box, hdmi to the TV
I plugged in the hdmi from a sony blu-ray to the TV
I plugged in ethernet to both devices (blu-ray, tv)
I plugged in the TV.
I then turned on the blu-ray...and as we all know, when you have an ANYNET device, such as a blu-ray, it triggers the TV to turn on....
So at this point the TV had not been turned on at all. not once.
Once I turned on the blu-ray, it triggered the TV to turn on, and then the TV went into first-time setup mode.
Well, the tv was completely unresponsive to all methods of input. Trust me, I checked everything, went through all forms of resets etc.
The remote was working fine (checked on my other samsung UN60ES8000).

So, 1 of 2 things occurred here.... (1) The television shipped with a default. (most likely) or (2) By hooking up the blu-ray, and turning it on, and triggering the TV to turn on...it somehow interfered with the TV's first time setup process.

Fortunately, I bought this TV from Costco, and they will take it back at the warehouse, no questions asked, and issue me a check.

So I am just throwing this out there. I dont need a response. Maybe, just maybe, I shouldnt have hooked up any other devices before setting up the TV for the first time...and I wanted to share in case others had this experience.
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So I just picked up the 65 and this is happening on my dark screens. Should I send it back or is there anything that can be done about it? It looks blue because of the mode it was shot in on my phone, its white.
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So I just picked up the 65 and this is happening on my dark screens. Should I send it back or is there anything that can be done about it? It looks blue because of the mode it was shot in on my phone, its white.

Send it back, that's pretty bad.

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Hi, I am searching for a 46-50" tv. I will mainly use for videogames and sometimes to see tv series. I have already discarted plasma models because of image retention, and I don't want to take care about which image is displayed in my tv. My budget is 1000-1300$.
I have seen that the es6500 series can fit, but I haven't really understand how much is the input lag in this tv, because someone says that's very bad, and someone else that is low and he can play fine with gaming mode.
I have also read that sometimes there are some problems with the built-in wifi.

So, what should I expect from this model??
(I am evaluating also the new F6400 model, but for the same price of a 46F6400 i can get a 50ES6500...)

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So I just picked up the 65 and this is happening on my dark screens. Should I send it back or is there anything that can be done about it? It looks blue because of the mode it was shot in on my phone, its white.

Is you backlight set at 20? I had the same issue, turn your BL down and it should help. It's edge lit so you will have brightness in the corners a little bit.
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