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There's still the Sony XBR-46HX929 as a backlit local dimming TV option.

I would get this if you get an extra warranty from where you buy. Sony's manufacturer warranty swaps it with another refurb.

So you pay $2500 and get back a refurb..... I would stay clear.
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B&H Just changed their site from August 31 availability to June 4 - hopefully that's a good sign?
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That would be nice if June was the date. It seems you never know what LG is releasing and when.
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I am so confused. Just checked the US LG web site and as of this morning they list the LM9600, including the 47"! The 55" and 60"" are listed as well. Maybe the LG customer service staff doesn't know what's going on either and gave false information? Does this mean the L9600 is ready to be released now?
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I am so confused. Just checked the US LG web site and as of this morning they list the LM9600, including the 47"! The 55" and 60"" are listed as well. Maybe the LG customer service staff doesn't know what's going on either and gave false information? Does this mean the L9600 is ready to be released now?

They are out of their minds! $3,600 for 55" and $4,200 for 60"
I thought I was crazy paying $3,400 for the 60ES8000. Yea...good luck LG
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They are out of their minds! $3,600 for 55" and $4,200 for 60"
I thought I was crazy paying $3,400 for the 60ES8000. Yea...good luck LG

You gotta remember that the LM9600 is backlit LED with TRUE local dimming unlike the ES8000 which is side lit with imitation local dimming.
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You gotta remember that the LM9600 is backlit LED with TRUE local dimming unlike the ES8000 which is side lit with imitation local dimming.

O-K but from my understanding, even full backlit causes issues such as blooming. You just can't win
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O-K but from my understanding, even full backlit causes issues such as blooming. You just can't win

Yeah thats true, but I blooming is alot better than clouding. I love my Samsung LED but when I watch it at night, it looks like pretty bad.

The nice thing about LG is that they don't have the low price limit thing that Samsung and Sony have. Therefore, the prices on the LM9600 could fall very fast.

Now we just have to wait for some reviews.
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They are out of their minds! $3,600 for 55" and $4,200 for 60"
I thought I was crazy paying $3,400 for the 60ES8000. Yea...good luck LG

Remember that is like the MSRP, but I have always seen retailers selling them for cheaper. Just look at the LM8600 and how at a couple places you can buy it for almost $800 under the price LG has it listed for. Greystone Appliance and Gear4Less come to mind with the 55LM8600 and they are both reputable sellers from what I have read. Others have it for $400-$600 under LGs listed price.

I would expect to see the LM9600 be the same way and to me it will be worth it. Can't wait for it to come out now.
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Now listed at Future Shop:

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...05ca59680een02

Have sent an e-mail to LG Canada to review their 55LM9600 Specifications on their website, and revise them to the correct values.
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eeps that had better be worth the price when the reviews are released. I've shortened my shortlist down to 2 now. Panny's VT50 plasma and this one. I had Panny's WT50 on the list but after seeing a recent review, it didn't fare too well for its asking price.
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eeps that had better be worth the price when the reviews are released. I've shortened my shortlist down to 2 now. Panny's VT50 plasma and this one. I had Panny's WT50 on the list but after seeing a recent review, it didn't fare too well for its asking price.

I'm kinda in the same boat. I was looking into the Samsung ES8000 and the LM9600, but after reading through the ES8000 forums, I shortened my list to just the LM9600.

I really hope this TV turns out good. If the LM9600 suck then I might just have to wait until the Apple HDTV comes out.
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Review of 55LM9600 from Singapore Hardware Zone

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/revie...=A1HWZhomepage
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Review of 55LM9600 from Singapore Hardware Zone

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/revie...=A1HWZhomepage

I'm impressed. This link is worth keeping just for the recommended calibrations.
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Now listed at Future Shop:

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...05ca59680een02

Have sent an e-mail to LG Canada to review their 55LM9600 Specifications on their website, and revise them to the correct values.

The specifications for the 55LM9600 are as follows:
without stand (WxHxD): 1221.9 x 706.8 x 38.4
with stand (WxHxD): 1221.9 x 782.2 x 332.7

Regards
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LG Canada.

Wow! Tells me alot about the 55LM9600! Website specs still haven't changed! Still WRONG!
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Review of 55LM9600 from Singapore Hardware Zone

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/revie...=A1HWZhomepage

New LG's should not have their Brightness set higher than 50. After 50, Local Dimming is always On. The Higher you go above 50, more likely your Blacks will tend towards Milky. For the money they want for this soon to be past history technology, I'm hanging in for the 4K OLED (For my Room) an 84LM9600 for the basement Theatre system - money becoming available, hopefully sometime next year.
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So is this 9600 supposed to blow away the PQ of the 8600 and 7600? And what about the terms of 3D is that supposed to be better also? I wanna click and buy the 7600 but also stuck waiting to see the 9600...Another thing that sucks about new tv's is all the bloatware wtf with all this browser crap IMO...I do not care for it, I just want PQ dunno maybe I am just getting old...
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I just realized that Future Shop's asking price for the 55LM9600 is $600 higher than LG Canada's suggested price for this model. This could very well be a possible typo and if it is I imagine it will be 1 cent less than LG's suggested price. The reasoning for this conclusion of mine is that their (Future Shop) pricing is $0.01 lower than LG's website on the following models: 55LM8600, 47LM8600

and the same pricing is applied by Best Buy Canada on the following models - 55LM8600, 47LM8600, 47LM5800.

So if i am correct about the typo, then I can see FS selling it for $3099.99, which if you ask me is a hell of a lot better than the price of $3699.99 that they have showing on their website! We'll have to wait and hope that this is the case!

Cheers, J
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So is this 9600 supposed to blow away the PQ of the 8600 and 7600? And what about the terms of 3D is that supposed to be better also? I wanna click and buy the 7600 but also stuck waiting to see the 9600...Another thing that sucks about new tv's is all the bloatware wtf with all this browser crap IMO...I do not care for it, I just want PQ dunno maybe I am just getting old...

In terms of PQ, backlit LED will almost always be better than edge lit. Key PQ features on the LM9600 include:

Nano LED: plasma quality blacks, picture uniformity (no clouding), ability to dim the sections of the screen that need to be dimmed and keep the other parts bright.

480hz (240hz with scanning backlight): No blurring.

Dual Core chip: May help with 3D and picture engine

In addition to these features, the TV also has features to improve the smart TV interface. However, as you said, the most important thing is PQ. The LM7600 and 8600 both have problems with uniformity.
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I just realized that Future Shop's asking price for the 55LM9600 is $600 higher than LG Canada's suggested price for this model. This could very well be a possible typo and if it is I imagine it will be 1 cent less than LG's suggested price. The reasoning for this conclusion of mine is that their (Future Shop) pricing is $0.01 lower than LG's website on the following models: 55LM8600, 47LM8600

and the same pricing is applied by Best Buy Canada on the following models - 55LM8600, 47LM8600, 47LM5800.

So if i am correct about the typo, then I can see FS selling it for $3099.99, which if you ask me is a hell of a lot better than the price of $3699.99 that they have showing on their website! We'll have to wait and hope that this is the case!

Cheers, J

Since all the other specs on the LG website for this model are WRONG, then maybe they're also quoting the price for the LG Model the 55LM9600 Specs are showing. Just my thoughts.
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New LG's should not have their Brightness set higher than 50. After 50, Local Dimming is always On. The Higher you go above 50, more likely your Blacks will tend towards Milky. For the money they want for this soon to be past history technology, I'm hanging in for the 4K OLED (For my Room) an 84LM9600 for the basement Theatre system - money becoming available, hopefully sometime next year.

I thought it kind of weird, to me anyway, it seemed the reviewer was almost disappointed he had to use local dimming. Really? I mean it is there for a reason idiot. If it wasn't there, no LED would even be worth buying.

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I thought it kind of weird, to me anyway, it seemed the reviewer was almost disappointed he had to use local dimming. Really? I mean it is there for a reason idiot. If it wasn't there, no LED would even be worth buying.

Some Regions of the World (Doesn't seem to appear to be North America generally) it's almost anti-religious to turn the Local Dimming ON! OMG! (Maybe they're scared of the Dark, so prefer their Blacks to be lighter!?)
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LD ON is the only way you can use an IPS panel.

You want black not dark grey - or are you only watching moves in brigth sunlight?

Yes you get some picture errors but still way better than the grey soup instead of black.
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LD ON is the only way you can use an IPS panel.

You want black not dark grey - or are you only watching moves in brigth sunlight?

Yes you get some picture errors but still way better than the grey soup instead of black.

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I think the point the reviewr witness has not been understood?
For sure, you need local dimming, this is good feature!
But I wish no to rely on this.
Why? Well.. Here's why...

Local Dimming in not available in PC mode.
Local Dimming is not available in Game Mode and if you game in a other mode Local Dimming adds additional lag up to (80-120ms) according to LG Korea review.

Therefore when using as PC Mode, gives you the milky blacks and clouding.
Therefore when using games Mode, gives you the milky blacks and clouding.

We have these available in our region now, I was going to buy, but as this mean I can no game, can no use as pc monitor etc I decide this is not good.

You will see what I see when you test in shop. We have tested and seen actual result and it not good for pc or game mode.

Also, review above say that banding still a major issue and LG are now going back to drawing board to redesign the 3d FPr meaning this tv will no be compatible with next lg tv as FPR and glasses and 3D tech will be completely change.

Here are quotes from review above:
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According to what we've learned from an LG spokesman, the South Korean engineers have also gone back to the drawing board to improve on their FPR's (Film Patterned Retarder) 3D performance after receiving feedback from multiple sources about the unmistakable vertical banding issue which we've discovered as well. More on this later...

From LM9600 review link posted above:
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As noted on the LW6500, vertical banding issue persists when the screen is viewed at a meter or less. Another minor gripe we have is the relatively tight vertical viewing angles. For example, crosstalk or split images are apparent when we stood up to view the TV.

Sorry fro my broken English.

In short, the review says exactly these thing:

Banding = Yes
Lag = Yes
Clouding = Yes
Light bleed = Yes
Crushed greys when LD on = Yes
Poor 3D viewing angle = Yes Verticle
Too expensive = Yes

This review has many negatives for sure.


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What do you mean LD is always on with Brightness above 50 of new LG tv?
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Older LG Models: LD is On and Off as required at 52 and below. Always On above 52 causing Milky Blacks since it can't turn Off to give complete Black.
Newer LG Models: LD is On and Off as required at 50 and Below. Always On above 50.
Best way to test - put up a video giving you the Black Borders, then move the adjustment up and down watching the Black Border areas.
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Flatpaneslhd just got the LM9600 in for review. They should have a review up within a couple weeks.

http://flatpanelshd.com/news.php?sub...&id=1335904769
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Older LG Models: LD is On and Off as required at 52 and below. Always On above 52 causing Milky Blacks since it can't turn Off to give complete Black.
Newer LG Models: LD is On and Off as required at 50 and Below. Always On above 50.
Best way to test - put up a video giving you the Black Borders, then move the adjustment up and down watching the Black Border areas.

Is this verify?

Surly local dimming can enable if brightness higher than 50? I no understand logical behind this?

If user claibrate tv to 54 brightness (isf day) , then go in an enable local dimming "medium" do you say LD no actually active on this tv? Instead it stay deactive?

Can LM user confirm?

If this verify this is the shocking news!
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Is this verify?

Surly local dimming can enable if brightness higher than 50? I no understand logical behind this?

If user claibrate tv to 54 brightness (isf day) , then go in an enable local dimming "medium" do you say LD no actually active on this tv? Instead it stay deactive?

Can LM user confirm?

If this verify this is the shocking news!

Over 52 (Older) and 50 (Newer) LD ON all the time - to realize complete Black, LD shuts off. When you push the Brightness up past the point of no return, the LD doesn't shut off, leaving Milkier Blacks the further the Brightness is tweaked up. During Daytime, you'll probably never notice it. At night, another story!
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Over 52 (Older) and 50 (Newer) LD ON all the time - to realize complete Black, LD shuts off. When you push the Brightness up past the point of no return, the LD doesn't shut off, leaving Milkier Blacks the further the Brightness is tweaked up. During Daytime, you'll probably never notice it. At night, another story!



This scocking news.
So, The entire Nano LD backlight dimming array technology in this flag shape TV stops functioning (disables itsself) if Calibrater turns brightness up by 1?

This insane behaviour, I expected LD just to work harder if brightness is higher, not to switch off and give up? How they expect to sell for $3400.

This render tv completely useless and impossible for isf or thx to calibrate

I outstounded by this?

This is main selling point of tv and this nano technology is claimed to be best of back light array tech, yet it's disabled completely and disengage if you turn brightness up by 1 notch

What they thinking in their minds?
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This scocking news.
So, The entire Nano LD backlight dimming array technology in this flag shape TV stops functioning (disables itsself) if Calibrater turns brightness up by 1?

This insane behaviour, I expected LD just to work harder if brightness is higher, not to switch off and give up? How they expect to sell for $3400.

This render tv completely useless and impossible for isf or thx to calibrate

I outstounded by this?

This is main selling point of tv and this nano technology is claimed to be best of back light array tech, yet it's disabled completely and disengage if you turn brightness up by 1 notch

What they thinking in their minds?

Local Dimming is ON all the time from 1 to 100! In the Blackest Black areas of the video, LD turns OFF to give you this Black in that area. (Obviously, if your Panel is NOT Black but various shades of Grey, Black can only get as Black as the Panel allows: the reason why cheaper TVs will never obtain the deepest Blacks) But, after 50 (Newer LGs) or 52 (Older LGs), the LD stays ON ALL the time, thereby not getting the Black of the Panel. As you push up the Local Dimming, you can see the PQ Black now getting to be a Milkier Black. Therefore, during calibration, you want the Brightness setting to be no greater than 50 for the newer LGs, and 52 for the older to maintain the BEST Black Levels.
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