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post #181 of 326 Old 05-02-2012, 10:59 AM
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What you are writting really does not makes sense.

LD turns the LEDs off.

So it's absolutely irrelevant what value the backlght has. Off is off.

Maybe you mean something different but ...
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Another review:

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/tvs/lg-47l...view-50007808/

Pretty positive review
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What you are writting really does not makes sense.

LD turns the LEDs off.

So it's absolutely irrelevant what value the backlght has. Off is off.

Maybe you mean something different but ...

LD does NOT turn OFF over the 50/52 setting, only at or Below.
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Does anyone know if the LM9600 will be available in a 65" size in North America?
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Local Dimming is ON all the time from 1 to 100! In the Blackest Black areas of the video, LD turns OFF to give you this Black in that area. (Obviously, if your Panel is NOT Black but various shades of Grey, Black can only get as Black as the Panel allows: the reason why cheaper TVs will never obtain the deepest Blacks) But, after 50 (Newer LGs) or 52 (Older LGs), the LD stays ON ALL the time, thereby not getting the Black of the Panel. As you push up the Local Dimming, you can see the PQ Black now getting to be a Milkier Black. Therefore, during calibration, you want the Brightness setting to be no greater than 50 for the newer LGs, and 52 for the older to maintain the BEST Black Levels.

I no understand what your saying?

Are you say, if a user enable LOCAL DIMMING in settings to medium, then RAISE BRIGHTNESS TO 51, that the LOCAL DIMMING feature will no longer function, it will no longer locally dim the screen?

Is this what your say?
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LD does NOT turn OFF over the 50/52 setting, only at or Below.

For the 2011 models that's not true.

Just verified it with the EODIS3. Excactly the same black level with enabled LD and 48 vs 55.
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For the 2011 models that's not true.

Just verified it with the EODIS3. Excactly the same black level with enabled LD and 48 vs 55.

Good test, I think he is confused, it be crazy to turn off main feature if user up brightness by 1?

I will test with shop tv and post back (2012 model)
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I think what he is saying is that Local Dimming is always working. When there is a black area of the screen, LD dims the backlights in that area. He is suggesting that how far those backlights are dimmed depends on the brightness setting. At this 52 number (or 50) the dimming technology only takes down the brightness of locally dimmed LEDs to almost fully dark but not all the way.
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A very thorough review of the LM9600 by a Dutch site. Only a 4-star recommendation primarily due to issues with local-dimming effectiveness that results in poor black levels. Here is the link via Google Translate:

http://translate.google.com/translat...ll-led-tv.html
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I think what he is saying is that Local Dimming is always working. When there is a black area of the screen, LD dims the backlights in that area. He is suggesting that how far those backlights are dimmed depends on the brightness setting. At this 52 number (or 50) the dimming technology only takes down the brightness of locally dimmed LEDs to almost fully dark but not all the way.

This is no way be correct? He is for sure misuderstood the features, no?
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This is no way be correct? He is for sure misuderstood the features, no?

He is correct with the LG55LHX and last years 55LV9500 but this years LM9600 uses a newer version of the nano technology which may have fixed this.
I own both these TVs and he is correct.
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He is correct with the LG55LHX and last years 55LV9500 but this years LM9600 uses a newer version of the nano technology which may have fixed this.
I own both these TVs and he is correct.

Ciao,
I no understand what is true?
Does he mean, that when user turn brightness up to 51, local dimming will not turn of the back light when display shows black area, instead it will only dimm it, But when user set brightness on 50 LD will turn off a led to display black instead of dimm it?

Im confuse with his wording? Is this what he say? Is this for sure the same for 2012 model? I test in shop but these effects seem to no do what he say?
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Brightness from 50 on new LGs and 52 on the older models, on down, Local dimming will go from Full On, to right Off. Above, will dimm right down, but Not go right Off.
Since I don't have the newer models, yet. I can't check. My ISF Pro Calibrator, tried to push my LG 55LV9500 above the 50, and ran into all kinds of calibrating problems. Told him to bring it back down to 50, then everything went fine for the rest of the calibration session.
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Ciao,
I no understand what is true?
Does he mean, that when user turn brightness up to 51, local dimming will not turn of the back light when display shows black area, instead it will only dimm it, But when user set brightness on 50 LD will turn off a led to display black instead of dimm it?

Im confuse with his wording? Is this what he say? Is this for sure the same for 2012 model? I test in shop but these effects seem to no do what he say?

To test this out you must have a completely dark room.
As p5browne and I said we do not know if the LM9600 act the same yet.
I only viewed the demo at CES which was very brightly lite showroom and there were no remotes being used to check
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Ho hum.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...1078991/review

Eh...the only thing this review talks bad about is the dark scene in Harry Potter, a scene which is very extreme indeed. How does that scene look on any other LED TV? Let's see some comparisons to other manufacturers like Samsung with the same scene.

They also mention about the viewing angles, which is questionable. Other reviews I have read say the viewing angles on LG TVs outdo others easily. Those same reviews gave good marks for the black levels in comparison to other LEDs.

But, they like everything else about the TV.

This is only one review and the only one that gave the black levels low marks in one instance without comparisons, yet they also say the blacks look well in other situations.

Still looks like a good one to buy to me.
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Unfortunately the 9600 seems to have many flaws.

The biggest two are these:

e.g. 24p bug -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzQl...ature=youtu.be
This happens regardless of your settings (Trumotion on/off, real cinema on/off, LD on/off, ...)

black crush - no settings can give you back the low grey values
all patches <= 5 not distinguishable
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php#blacktest.png

Maybe LG will fix them with a firmware update, but I would not count on it. LG often chooses the cheapest hardware design without any update possibility.
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Just got an email from Amazon.com that the 55LM9600 is available for pre-order. They don't have specific date yet.

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Unfortunately the 9600 seems to have many flaws.

The biggest two are these:

e.g. 24p bug -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzQl...ature=youtu.be
This happens regardless of your settings (Trumotion on/off, real cinema on/off, LD on/off, ...)

black crush - no settings can give you back the low grey values
all patches <= 5 not distinguishable
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php#blacktest.png

Maybe LG will fix them with a firmware update, but I would not count on it. LG often chooses the cheapest hardware design without any update possibility.

Ciao,
Grazie for link, I just watch the wideo and can no believe my eyes, for sure this sound like the issue obove review mention I test store but it no have 24p player only USB.

Wow wow wow this no look good for LG
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The lm9600 is almost 50% more than lm8600 on amazon (55")... has anyone compared their video quality??
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The lm9600 is almost 50% more than lm8600 on amazon (55")... has anyone compared their video quality??

GO BACK 4 POSTS! Click on the link.
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So it sounds like the LM8600 model is the champion?
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So it sounds like the LM8600 model is the champion?

I hope its better than the UK version - http://www.avforums.com/forums/hardw...tv-review.html
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Given the hash jobs that flagships from LG and Samsung appear to be, perhaps they really are pushing OLED for the high end.
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I will wait and see what the reviews are like for the LM9600 released here in the US. I have a feeling some of the issues mentioned in the YouTube review and the other AV thread will not be present in the US models. There are different signals, power requirements, etc. that I think can make a difference. People always jump to conclusions based on ANY bad review, even though there are good reviews out there as well.

Until I see some valid US reviews, I will hold off and remain optimistic that this TV will be a good one. You have to base how well a TV works for your particular area, specs, and situation. After some local proof I will then decide whether LG has done well or not.
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Just got off phone with LG. They stated that the 60" won't be available until the third week of September. (I told them that I would do the survey afterward...this seems to get better service). Don't think I'm going to wait but I still want a 60" + screen size on a passive 3D set...very frustrating. I have an old Sony XBR1 that is getting greener and greener!
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ya they also told someone else, that the 47 \\ 55in LM9600 would not be out until Sept, and we already know they started pumping them out at the Mexico factory.

I have no inside info but based on that, and Amazon putting the item up for preorder and their track record of doing so vs how long you wait to see the item, MY GUESS is that the 47 \\ 55 will be out this month, and i dont see why the 60in would not be out by Aug latest.

they still need to push out the 84in by Oct or so.

Anyway just my two cents about a tv i have been following for a while on multiple forums.
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thanks, I'll either have to wait or toy with the idea of a 65lw6500 or 65lm6200...we'll see. Tired of seeing green!
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I would check Cnet before you go with that, they just posted a review i believe on the lm6500 and it only got 2.5 stars. Go have a look.
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Thanks for the heads up!....I may have to go to the dark side (Plasma)!! Hope not..60" is pretty scarce in the passive world
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