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post #1351 of 2433 Old 05-09-2013, 11:25 AM
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It's semantics, but telecine involves the conversion of film (24p) to video (60i). Straight 3:2 pulldown converts film (24p) to a progressive display (60p). Obviously this is slightly different for you 50Hz folks.

Take note that the 24p stutter isn't much better than the 60p judder. Pick your poison. Until the Hobbit came around, film has always had low temporal resolution.

I agree with this. Everyone complains about 120Hz being better than 60Hz blah blah. But go the movies and watch pure 24p and tell me how slow it is. When I first heard of LCD motion blur back in 2005 and then forced myself to see it (would have been better being ignorant) and then adapting to it, for a while seeing movies in the theater drove me nuts cause everything was blurry with only 24 frames. I think it all comes down to if it looks good to you don't worry about it. Cause when you get it in your head something is wrong you will find a way to see it some how. cool.gif
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The EH5000 series are 60Hz, so they can only display 24fps content using 3:2 pulldown.

The biggest reason people buy the EH6000 is for the 120Hz panel and judder-free playback via 5:5 pulldown.

Can anyone else confirm if the EH6000 has an actual 120Hz panel.
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Can anyone else confirm if the EH6000 has an actual 120Hz panel.

Yes, it has
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I'll also add that even 48fps isn't much better than 24fps.

Movies are largely about suspension of disbelief. Rationally, you know you are watching actors playing make-believe on a sound-stage, but when watching blurry 24fps video with less-than-stellar audio, all the imperfections of the production process get lost in the noise and you focus on the story.

Watch a 4K movie filmed at 48fps with the best stereo monitors around and something strange will happen. The movie you thought had amazing production values will start to feel amateurish. People move like they're in a soap opera. Camera angles and the depth of field of the image become noticeable. You can hear the imperfections of the dialogue delivery and even tell when the audio is being looped in post-production. The magic disappears as the facade of Hollywood gives way to the bullsh*t the industry is really selling.

Quality isn't always what it's cracked up to be... IMO. smile.gif

True story :-)
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Hello.
I bought EH5000 and I have a question about connecting speakers to it. I have Logitech X-230 (2.1) and I connected them to TV (connected in that headphones jack) and sounds is really bad. When I go to sound settings in the menu almost every option is grey. So, what am I doing wrong here or this tv just doesnt support 2.1 system? It works perfect with headphones, tho.
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I presume the Logitech set are powered speakers? The headphone output will be low power and high impedance.
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Hey guys. I just got the UN32EH5300 for my bedroom. I set it up and changed the calibration to some settings I found on here. My wife was watching a HD channel the first day we had it and wherever there were bright white scenes they TV showed it as what I can only describe as lime green artifacting. I went in and turned off the Dynamic Contrast (I think that is what it was called) and it disappeared. I switched to Standard settings to mess with it later the stuff (green artifacting) still shows up occasionally. Is this a bad panel issue? Has any one experienced this and know of a fix?

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I added Input Lag Test Results to my above Calibration Post ^^^

Chicolom, did you use any calibration equipment for your settings or was this done by eye?
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Hey guys. I just got the UN32EH5300 for my bedroom. I set it up and changed the calibration to some settings I found on here. My wife was watching a HD channel the first day we had it and wherever there were bright white scenes they TV showed it as what I can only describe as lime green artifacting. I went in and turned off the Dynamic Contrast (I think that is what it was called) and it disappeared. I switched to Standard settings to mess with it later the stuff (green artifacting) still shows up occasionally. Is this a bad panel issue? Has any one experienced this and know of a fix?

Thanks in advance,

Dynamic contrast is something that you should want to turn off anyway but that problem seems relative to your calibration settings being wrong. Try my calibrations settings, you can found its link on my signature and see how it works for you.

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I bought EH5000 and I have a question about connecting speakers to it. I have Logitech X-230 (2.1) and I connected them to TV (connected in that headphones jack) and sounds is really bad. When I go to sound settings in the menu almost every option is grey. So, what am I doing wrong here or this tv just doesnt support 2.1 system? It works perfect with headphones, tho.

My speakers are connected to the headphone jack of my tv and I have no problems with it. I don't know if you already know this but your TV has a variable volume output for the headphone jack piput so you have to adjust to volume of your tv and speakers to be almost at the same level or else you'll get distortion.

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Chicolom, did you use any calibration equipment for your settings or was this done by eye?

By my understanding of what he wrote in his post he calibrated his TV using the HD 709 REC AVSFORUM Calibration disc and a blue filter, so the rest was done by the eye. I calibrated mine using that and some extra test patterns on multiple devices except I didn't need a blue filter because the EH5300 already have a RGB filter option.
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Thanks for your response. Now why i am asking is because i am the owner of a Kuro and i have accepted the fact that there isnt much panels that will look as great as the Kuro does but i bought a EH5300 for a bedroom TV. In the store, as expected, it looked quite decent, decent enough to buy but to tell you the truth, it is way WAY worse than the Kuro, so i was looking to try some settings to squeeze every ounce of ability out of this set.

As i said, i dont expect it to look like the Kuro but i still want it to be as decent as can be.
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Thanks for your response. Now why i am asking is because i am the owner of a Kuro and i have accepted the fact that there isnt much panels that will look as great as the Kuro does but i bought a EH5300 for a bedroom TV. In the store, as expected, it looked quite decent, decent enough to buy but to tell you the truth, it is way WAY worse than the Kuro, so i was looking to try some settings to squeeze every ounce of ability out of this set.

As i said, i dont expect it to look like the Kuro but i still want it to be as decent as can be.

I assure you the eh5300 is a very decent tv specially for its price but you can't expect plasma like blacks on any led tv and worse is you are comparing one of the best plasmas in years to a budget lcd led tv frown.gif
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Some people are so picky. I've never adjusted mine away from the standard settings, and honestly it's GOOD ENOUGH FOR TELLY!
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^^^ ignorance is bliss.......

i have used the settings provided and the TV is much better. Thanks for those.
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Some people are so picky. I've never adjusted mine away from the standard settings, and honestly it's GOOD ENOUGH FOR TELLY!

What??? You surely don't know what you're talking about, I'll show you in pictures rather than text:

This is how your TV is performing:



This is how it will perform once calibrated::



That's a huge difference in picture quality and even worse is those settings like dynamic contrast, black tone, etc (which I bet you have them on too), all of those alter the original picture and makes it lost a lot of details.

So don't call other people picky for wanting to have a good picture on their tvs. Standard settings are awful on almost all lcd tvs, AWFUL!
But if you still want to have a bad picture with stupid colors which looks like you're watching your tv with blue lens glasses and lose a LOT of details too, be my guest, that's your tv and if you like it the way it is I'm not here to judge you, what's important is you're happy with it.

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^^^ ignorance is bliss.......

i have used the settings provided and the TV is much better. Thanks for those.

I surely agree with you :P
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The difference is that I don't spend my time in front of the TV watching Blu-rays, or even HiDef broadcast. I judge a picture by the continuity of tone from black to white, and natural skin tones, and honestly it's good enough for general telly. Of course, I am (when I do) viewing a 32" screen from ten or twelve feet - if you are a videophile and like to sit close enough to see individual pixels, your requirements are probably different.

I might one day see what "calibration" does, but I lost interest when I discovered I can't tell what panel I have. The problem is that such judgement is highly subjective, and unless one could alternate between "before" and "after" it might be difficult to know what the difference really is - psychologically one will be expecting to see an improvement, and therefore convince oneself one does.

Call me undemanding if you like, but I would not accept colour casts or unreal contrasts. Bear in mind also I am in the UK, which might make a difference.
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The difference is that I don't spend my time in front of the TV watching Blu-rays, or even HiDef broadcast. I judge a picture by the continuity of tone from black to white, and natural skin tones, and honestly it's good enough for general telly. Of course, I am (when I do) viewing a 32" screen from ten or twelve feet - if you are a videophile and like to sit close enough to see individual pixels, your requirements are probably different.

I might one day see what "calibration" does, but I lost interest when I discovered I can't tell what panel I have. The problem is that such judgement is highly subjective, and unless one could alternate between "before" and "after" it might be difficult to know what the difference really is - psychologically one will be expecting to see an improvement, and therefore convince oneself one does.

Call me undemanding if you like, but I would not accept colour casts or unreal contrasts. Bear in mind also I am in the UK, which might make a difference.

Try my calibration settings and you'll see a huge difference
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Hi,

i have here an Samsung UE40EH5000 with an 002 Sharp Panel.

I use the settings from chicolom which are ment as far as i know for samsung panels. I'm clearly not an expert in this field, but picture seems a bit "cold" to me so not enough colous.
And sometimes i have the impression that i have clouding. And black does not really seems to be black so it is not darc enough.

Any suggestions for better settings? Or is it just a bad panel?
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I thought it was Dynamic Contrast also. When I turn it off it goes away sometimes and sometimes not. Sometimes I have to turn the TV off and back on. It will go away for awhile then it returns. I also tried calibrating the same settings you supplied (thank you) and the same thing still happens. It appears both on regular TV and when I am streaming through my Blu Ray player and the TV so I don't think it is specific to an input source.
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Dynamic contrast is something that you should want to turn off anyway but that problem seems relative to your calibration settings being wrong. Try my calibrations settings, you can found its link on my signature and see how it works for you.
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I thought it was Dynamic Contrast also. When I turn it off it goes away sometimes and sometimes not. Sometimes I have to turn the TV off and back on. It will go away for awhile then it returns. I also tried calibrating the same settings you supplied (thank you) and the same thing still happens. It appears both on regular TV and when I am streaming through my Blu Ray player and the TV so I don't think it is specific to an input source.

Make a factory reset then calibrate it with those settings again and be sure you don't forget to change all of them because even a single setting could mess the whole picture smile.gif
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Question, what exactly is PVR?
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Question, what exactly is PVR?

Personal Video Recorder. It allows you to record TV broadcasts on an HDD or USB Stick and play them later. It also has features like timeshift, scheduling, etc, and it even records when you have your tv off.
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I just bought a EH4003 as a bedroom TV. It's pretty nice. Great for the price, just $280.
Can anyone direct me toward the "best" calibration settings?

Thanks ahead of time! Cheers.
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I have tried to active the PVR function (US model) with the directions given, but I do not see the PVR menu anywhere. If someone would be able to help, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi,

i have here an Samsung UE40EH5000 with an 002 Sharp Panel.

I use the settings from chicolom which are ment as far as i know for samsung panels. I'm clearly not an expert in this field, but picture seems a bit "cold" to me so not enough colous.
And sometimes i have the impression that i have clouding. And black does not really seems to be black so it is not darc enough.

Any suggestions for better settings? Or is it just a bad panel?

I'm looking at an EH5300 with the sharp panel and it appears to be the XGen panel. The panel is great, just try some different settings because the same settings will not apply to all panel types or all eyeballs.
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I have tried to active the PVR function (US model) with the directions given, but I do not see the PVR menu anywhere. If someone would be able to help, it would be greatly appreciated.

Press the red circle button to check if something happens. If nothing happens then you didn't follow the steps to activate pvr well. Try to follow those steps again.
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Press the red circle button to check if something happens. If nothing happens then you didn't follow the steps to activate pvr well. Try to follow those steps again.
I've tried twice now, but in the service menu the PVR option is not visible. The steps to enter the service menu are also different for the TV I'm trying this with. To enter the service menu on the TV the key sequence is (Mute) (1) (8) (2), instead of (info) (menu) (mute). Again, this is a US model EH5300, so I don't know if that makes a difference.
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Is PVR functionality part of the published specifications for your TV? If not, there is no certainty you have it in your firmware revision, even if others have been able to enable it by undocumented methods.
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I've tried twice now, but in the service menu the PVR option is not visible. The steps to enter the service menu are also different for the TV I'm trying this with. To enter the service menu on the TV the key sequence is (Mute) (1) (8) (2), instead of (info) (menu) (mute). Again, this is a US model EH5300, so I don't know if that makes a difference.

For you to have permission to activate the pvr menu you have to enter the advanced service menu with ruSamsungComunicator as I discribed on the tutorial. List what you have done step by step so I can understand better what you are missing.
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Just bought a un32eh5300f off amazon for $350 I got the TS01 panel so I think I did good. Tv looks great.
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