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I have been looking for a good explanation as to how a motion rate 960 different from 720 and 720 different from 480, how each manufacturer uses the prosses to get their number, ie do they use black frame insertion or some other precess. It seems to me like all the LCD manufacturers want us to think that when they say that their tv has a motion rate of 920 they are talking about HZ. I would like to know how they work so if someone could point me in the right direction that would be great!!
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Start with researching frame rate, resolution, and refresh rate.

I don't know where the 960/920 came from.
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I have been looking for a good explanation as to how a motion rate 960 different from 720 and 720 different from 480, how each manufacturer uses the prosses to get their number, ie do they use black frame insertion or some other precess. It seems to me like all the LCD manufacturers want us to think that when they say that their tv has a motion rate of 920 they are talking about HZ. I would like to know how they work so if someone could point me in the right direction that would be great!!

Here is a page from Sony UK, ignore the XR800 etc, its purely the different refresh rate for the UK ie 50hz compared to the US 60hz.

http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/lcd-televi.../motionflow-xr

I believe they are only 200hz panels, not sure there are any 400hz lcd panels.

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I think this is a hard question to answer since TV manufacturers don't exactly seem to have a definitive answer themselves. In any case, It could be assumed that since "960" rates are only found on top-end models (ES8000, HX929) that it takes into account variables like refresh rate (240Hz) + BFI + backlight scanning/strobing + image processing or something. While 960 represents the ""best" motion handling, I don't think it means it's equivalent to 960Hz. Seems more like an arbitrary number picked by the manufacturer to slap another marketing label on the spec sheet and a good excuse to obscure the real refresh rate. I doubt there will be a large discernible difference between 720 and 960 rates, if any.

Case in point: Sony's 2010 XBR909 had an advertised refresh rate of "Motionflow 240Hz PRO" (Pro indicating the use of black frame insertion) The 2011-12 XBR has a rate of "Motionflow XR 960"

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I feel like they want to make it harder to really find out what they are selling.
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I think this is a hard question to answer since TV manufacturers don't exactly seem to have a definitive answer themselves. In any case, It could be assumed that since "960" rates are only found on top-end models (ES8000, HX929) that it takes into account variables like refresh rate (240Hz) + BFI + backlight scanning/strobing + image processing or something. While 960 represents the ""best" motion handling, I don't think it means it's equivalent to 960Hz. Seems more like an arbitrary number picked by the manufacturer to slap another marketing label on the spec sheet and a good excuse to obscure the real refresh rate. I doubt there will be a large discernible difference between 720 and 960 rates, if any.


Case in point: Sony's 2010 XBR909 had an advertised refresh rate of "Motionflow 240Hz PRO" (Pro indicating the use of black frame insertion) The 2011-12 XBR has a rate of "Motionflow XR 960"

Actually, 960 is a gimmick term used by Sony and is their own method of measurement. Just like how LG had the 420 hz trumotion thing going on with the LW6500. Plasmas never bs over refresh rates its always 600hz. If you check CNET's site, they have the Sony HX929 listed with a 960hz refresh rate which is absurd because they did a detailed review on the Sony HX929 and in THERE listed it with a 240hz refresh rate.
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Actually, 960 is a gimmick term used by Sony and is their own method of measurement. Just like how LG had the 420 hz trumotion thing going on with the LW6500. Plasmas never bs over refresh rates its always 600hz. If you check CNET's site, they have the Sony HX929 listed with a 960hz refresh rate which is absurd because they did a detailed review on the Sony HX929 and in THERE listed it with a 240hz refresh rate.

You are right. Sony's 960 is a marketing gimmick. It's not a true 960hz.

On the other hand, plasma are also giving us their own marketing ********. Their panels are not 600hz. It's still 60hz. As much as they want to tell us that each pixel is divided in 10 so that all 10 sub pixel at 60hz make a full 600hz pixel is as muc crap and twisting reality than anything else the other tv marketing team can send your way.
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