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Old 05-27-2012, 09:24 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi All,

My first post. I have found myself here looking for some advice from professionals

I am in the market for a new LED TV (not a plasma, I know they have advantages but i prefer LCD/LED). I have nailed it down to the below three. All will be a 55inch. I will be using it for normal tv/foxtel and some ps3 gaming with some occasional blueray playback. Will also have a media centre hooked up. Not really interested in the gimmicks just want a really good all round picture with decent 3d incase I get into it. I also watch alot of sports. The choices are:


1) Sony HX925 (aka HX929,HX923) (around $2700)
2) Sony HX850 ($3300)
3) Samsung ES8000 ($3500)

I have been scaling the web looking at reviews but i cant really find anything that will give me a staight answer on what would be the best tv. They compare the samsung to the lg, the sony to a plasma etc lol. I have looked at all 3 in store and change my mind each time depending on how the store sets them up. The sony looks classier but the samsung looks like its floating

The ES8000 gets the better reviews it seems but what do you all think.

The questions I have are:

1) Is the crease issue on the HX925 on every set or just the earlier ones? (i didnt notice anything in store??)

2) Is the blooming on the HX925 as bad as the review say? (are they noticable or is it just compared to a plasma they are bad?)

3) Between the HX825 and HX925 does the HX850 produce the better picture?? Reviews seem to point to this bar, the cnet review. I know its edge lit but is this new and better tech than last years backlit? They pretty much look alike and i havnt been able to see them side by side. The hx925 is the flagship but the hx825 is newer/more expensive.

4) On a video review on youtube they state the samsung suffers from bad screen uniformity and if you want a tv with an awsome picture this isnt the one, but give it thumbs up for everything else. This seems to differ form other reviews which state its the best you can get... so confusing?????? Any experiences. In store they are alwasy set up in a bright area so i cant tell.

5) They say the sony suffers from lag (when gaming) but to me in store it looks like the sony's are much smoother than the samsung?? Is the lag noticable/unplayable or just like a regular lcd.? (i currently own a series 6 lcd and dont notice anything)

6) What would you all recommend?? Take out apps/netflix etc. I am not biased toward either brand just after the best set.

Thanks for your help!!! hope you can help!
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I too am in a similar boat. I keep looking at the un55es8000 but I'm not sure if the cost is worth it. I find myself not caring about all the gadgets and really don't care for the camera on top, but can't really find anyone comparing the TVs. Hope someone can reply to this, and give us both a clue.
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3) Between the HX825 and HX925 does the HX850 produce the better picture?? Reviews seem to point to this bar, the cnet review. I know its edge lit but is this new and better tech than last years backlit? ...


uhm... cnet is not properly saying the 850 is better than 925, instead they wrote:

"While the HX850 is not quite as good as the HX929, the $500 difference in price makes up for that"


...it's quite different!
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does the 55" HX850 really cost that much? it should be the less expensive of the 3

(and overall best PQ
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Hi the gladiator,
That's why I meant by 'bar the cnet review' as in 'except the cnet review' sorry for the confusion, that's the only review I have read which say that the 929 is better

Yep surprised me too that's its so expensive, maybe because it's a brand new model here. I havnt tried to get them down yet where the others I have. Hopefully it starts to drop soon
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The hX850 and ES8000 are EDge LIt, the XBR HX929 is a LOcal Dimming
http://reviews.cnet.com/2795-6482_7-399.html

The XBR HX929 outperformes the other two, no doubt about that.
Take a look at ChadB's review
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1891

1) Crease is a problem on earlier sets.
2) blooming/haloing is not really that big a problem, Plasma has non such problems
5) don't believe the Sony has input lag problems. Check out the input lag thread though
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464
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Hi the gladiator,
That's why I meant by 'bar the cnet review' as in 'except the cnet review' sorry for the confusion, that's the only review I have read which say that the 929 is better

Yep surprised me too that's its so expensive, maybe because it's a brand new model here. I havnt tried to get them down yet where the others I have. Hopefully it starts to drop soon



Sorry lancer but I'm italian and I did not understand what you meant!
My english is not so perfect...

IMHO all the reviewers, in general, are in some way brought to believe "the newer is better" since I'm finding too hard to believe an edge lit led like the HX850 could outperform a full led array like the HX920/929 in terms of 2D picture quality, even because they share both the electronic (that's almost identical with the X-Reality PRO) and the panel in term of matrices. Of course it differs with regard to the backlight.
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no problem gladiator

thats what i thought about the edge lit/backlit but some edlge lits out perform the backlit tvs eg the lg. Also the reviews on the hx929 viewing angles are poor comapred to the hx850 which get good reviews for the same thing. Not too sure why.....

seems to me that hx929 has slightly better picture but has more negatives than the 850 eg blooming,poor view angle? do you think?
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Considering the better viewing angles and lack of blooming on the hx850 is very debatable if the hx925 is better. They are both better than the samsung.

Seeing them right next to each other the xbr has cleary better blacks, but the viewing angle is terrible compared to the 850.
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thanks vincevega,
viewing angle is important i own a six seater
just done some more reading , seems like the hx850 comes up trumps on the hx929. not as deep blacks as the 929, but this seems to be the only downfall, the 850 doesnt have as many negatives as the 929 and seems to be a better all round tv event though it is edgelit.

still waiting on the review of the es8000 from avs and cnet etc to see how it goes against the sony's.
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Actually it is all about the deep blacks, that is why the Elit Pro and the HX929 are considered to be the best LCd's the market. But go ahead get yourself a HX850
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thanks 8mile13!!

the 929 sure looks like it has the better picture,i was just concerned about the viewing angle(compared to the 850) and blooming. so you dont think these are issues??

im also going off the acutal avs hardware review of both sets
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thanks 8mile13!!

the 929 sure looks like it has the better picture,i was just concerned about the viewing angle(compared to the 850) and blooming. so you dont think these are issues??

im also going off the acutal avs hardware review of both sets

I own a 2008 XBR8 (Local Dimming) which has worse blooming and viewing angle than XBR HX929, i can live with that. I'd say try the XBR HX929 and forget about the other LCd's, if blooming and viewing angle bothers you go Plasma (Panasonic VT50).
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The consensus among experts is that the Elite Pro and the XBR HX929 are the best LCd's right now. Both are Local Dimmings and their blacks are beyond other leds. Make of it whatever you want
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Yeah, but that comes down to what you care most about in the tv. Some care about viewing angles more than just slight improvement in contrast. For me personally I don't think the contrast is noticably better on the hx929 than nx720, for example.

Then some may care about lag in gaming more, which is probably the same on both sets, but just saying that could cause some other set to be considered better or worse despite what professionals say. Notice CNET, for example, and that shootout, etc... don't even test gaming lag. They're only testing for picture qualty in HD movies.

On the 929, what bothered me was even on that high of a model the viewing angles were so abd that if I sat RIGHT in front of the center of the tv, if I looked to the side I could see faded color! So even watching straight on, on a certain thing i look at on all tvs, I could see issues which bugged me.

Personally I feel like nothing comes even close to being as good as a plasma, overall. But the stupid flicker bothers me, so i have no choice but to get LCD. I'm going to just get an under $1000 tv and have it last me a few years and then get an OLED.

Right, its the blooming and viewing angle nevertheless some well informed / critical / anti-LCd / Plasma fans on AVS started to appreciate LED mainly because of the Elite Pro and the HX929 PQ.
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Hi All,

Ended up going for the HX929, the price was to good to pass. Ended up getting it for $2000 which i thought was pretty good.

The 850 was $3100 and es800 $3500.

Wil see how it goes when it gets delivered smile.gif hopefully it lives up to the hype

Thanks for all your help!
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