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post #91 of 2856 Old 07-02-2012, 11:27 PM
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I just pulled up the gray scale. It looks fine to me, no cyan tint on either Movie or Standard mode...However, when on Natural or Dynamic there is a Cyan tint. I don't plan on ever using Natural or Dynamic so that is a non-issue for me. So that Cyan tint is in the TV somewhere, but Standard and Movie don't exhibit it for me.
Also, the Cyan tint is over the entire pattern, not just the lower half.
I don't know if you can calibrate out a Cyan tint if you are not experiencing it overall and just in a portion of the screen. Perhaps exchange or contact Samsung support if you are out of your return period.

Note that Dynamic forces a cool color temperature that does add blue to the white balance, so that might cause a cyan-tint to the picture.
In Standard and movie mode you can select manually the color temperature (Warm2,Warm1,Normal,Cool1,Cool2) to see what effect it has to the picture in comparison.
Standard and Movie mode default to a warmer color temp.
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I am happy with my PQ. I can't comment too much on picture quality for non-HD as I only watch a few channels (all of which are HD) and the rest on Netflix and Hulu - I am replacing a 50" Samsung DLP that had 720p resolution from 2006 and I just flipped to a non-HD channel and I would say the non-HD quality is about the same as my old TV adjusted for the larger size. Generally non-HD will look bad on any modern large TV as there is just too much scaling.
My clouding has improved considerably! At this point it is pretty much non-existent and only faintly shows up on a pure black test screen pattern, so I guess the TV does have a break-in period. I can even use Movie Mode now biggrin.gif

Hooterville, do you have any clouding?

The only clouding I've noticed is on the "Smart TV" splash screen on the upper left side. I'm not even sure if this is clouding. rolleyes.gif I will see what I can do with the WOW disc if I can ever get a few minutes with the new TV. I've had the 60" for over a week now and have only been in front of it for less then a couple of hours. rolleyes.gif
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Anyone update to firmware version 1016.4 yet? Any improvements on anything?
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Anyone update to firmware version 1016.4 yet? Any improvements on anything?

I am still on 1015, I heard there was a new update but each time I try and update it shows no new update. Are you showing a new update available? I think it is already out for the ES8000.

Also, make sure you write down your settings as the new update supposedly sets everything back to default. Although if you have professional calibration it doesn't clear those settings as they are protected some how.
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Just updated to 1016.4. I was able to update via USB as my TV wasn't finding it, so I had to go through the Samsung site. Thankfully it didn't clear any of my settings.

As far as picture quality, looks about the same to me. I doubt a firmware update will do that much for PQ.

Here's the description for the update update:

This firmware is for TV Model(s):EH4500 / EH5300 / ES6100-7150
The version is 1016.4
This firmware update will improve the following:

- Resolves escaping issue while watching movie on VUDU.

- Resolves compatibility issue with DLNA devices.

- Improves picture quality.

- Supports Samsung wireless Audio Dock

- Solves the problem closed caption does not show.
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CNET just posted their review the of the ES8000 series:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un60es8000/4505-6482_7-35118273.html?tag=latestReviews

Looks like they don't like the black levels or screen uniformity, although I don't think they keep them long enough for the screens to break-in to alleviate some of the uniformity.
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ELMO, what panel does your 60" have? Mine has an HS01. smile.gif
What is the difference between the TS01 & HS01 panels?
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Why does my PQ look really bad? The images look really blurry, undefined, and colors don't look too realistic. Compared to my old LCD, which is 40", and this one is 55", both have same resolution, and the LCD looks way better. Everything looks more defined and clearly, text looks better. But blacks are much better in LED. Is there a solution to this? Or is the TV too big? It's in a room, 3 or 4 feet away from me. I have played with some settings, and updated it a couple of times. Even Netflix, built-in the TV, it looks bad. Any solution? maybe sharpness? PLEASE HELP.
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ELMO, what panel does your 60" have? Mine has an HS01. smile.gif
What is the difference between the TS01 & HS01 panels?

Mine is HS01. Panel version shouldn't matter anymore, basically I think it is whether it is manufactured in house (i.e. Samsung) or by one of their vendors. The vendors produce the same specs as Samsung; it is a common practice for instance Apple farms out their screens for iPad, iPhone, etc to multiple manufacturers.

Back in 2009 there was a problem with Samsung and their panel vendors producing different quality panels but I believe that has since been addressed.
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Why does my PQ look really bad? The images look really blurry, undefined, and colors don't look too realistic. Compared to my old LCD, which is 40", and this one is 55", both have same resolution, and the LCD looks way better. Everything looks more defined and clearly, text looks better. But blacks are much better in LED. Is there a solution to this? Or is the TV too big? It's in a room, 3 or 4 feet away from me. I have played with some settings, and updated it a couple of times. Even Netflix, built-in the TV, it looks bad. Any solution? maybe sharpness? PLEASE HELP.

You are way too close to the screen. The rule of thumb is seating distance should be about 1.5 times the screen size, so if you are 3.5 feet away (42 inches) you want a screen around 28 inches. This probably explains your sharpness problem as you are seeing pixels you are so close (also since you are seeing pixels then color will be messed up as well as you aren't seeing a cohesive picture); increasing sharpness will only introduce artifacts (basically fake stuff in your picture) and will actually make your PQ worse.

You either need to sit farther away or get a smaller TV - doing either should cure all your problems. Out of curiosity why are you sitting so close? Are you also using the TV as a computer monitor?
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My room is VERY small, so I have no choice. But I used a 40" with no problem. It looked perfectly fine.
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Never mind I sit 8 feet away. Still look bad. Cable looks terrible.
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Never mind I sit 8 feet away. Still look bad. Cable looks terrible.

You talking about an HD picture or standard definition picture?
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I bought a UN55ES7100 but won't be picking it up until I move house in a couple of weeks. Being an impatient geek, I wanted to check out the manual to plan for wall mounting etc. I went to the Samsung website and downloaded the e-manual. Holy crap, it's terrible! It's over 600 pages of *huge* font text with about 12 words per page - poorly formatted, no diagrams, no information about connections, mounting etc.

I thought perhaps it was some kind of compatibility issue with the Mac Preview app, so I tried to open it in Adobe Reader - same thing.

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I bought a UN55ES7100 but won't be picking it up until I move house in a couple of weeks. Being an impatient geek, I wanted to check out the manual to plan for wall mounting etc. I went to the Samsung website and downloaded the e-manual. Holy crap, it's terrible! It's over 600 pages of *huge* font text with about 12 words per page - poorly formatted, no diagrams, no information about connections, mounting etc.
I thought perhaps it was some kind of compatibility issue with the Mac Preview app, so I tried to open it in Adobe Reader - same thing.
I really hope there is some more useful documentation in the box ><</div>

Unfortunately thats the new e-manual format, its just the same as the e-help displayable on the TV screen, so they use a huge font for that.
I preferred a few years back when they would provide a full high quality user's manual, but those days appear to be gone unfortunately.
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Unfortunately thats the new e-manual format, its just the same as the e-help displayable on the TV screen, so they use a huge font for that.
I preferred a few years back when they would provide a full high quality user's manual, but those days appear to be gone unfortunately.

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I bought a UN55ES7100 but won't be picking it up until I move house in a couple of weeks. Being an impatient geek, I wanted to check out the manual to plan for wall mounting etc. I went to the Samsung website and downloaded the e-manual. Holy crap, it's terrible! It's over 600 pages of *huge* font text with about 12 words per page - poorly formatted, no diagrams, no information about connections, mounting etc.
I thought perhaps it was some kind of compatibility issue with the Mac Preview app, so I tried to open it in Adobe Reader - same thing.
I really hope there is some more useful documentation in the box ><</div>

Need to know anything particular? I can snap a few pictures of the applicable pages in my manual, such as how to wall mount.
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Need to know anything particular? I can snap a few pictures of the applicable pages in my manual, such as how to wall mount.

Thank you so much for the offer, Elmo. It is much appreciated but I think I can wait until I pick up the TV. It's just good to know that there is some better documentation in the box! smile.gif
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Hey everyone,

I'm in the market for a new 55" LED, and I'm leaning strongly towards either the ES6500/6900 or the ES7100. How well does the 7100 handle 24p content from Blu-Ray? Does anyone know if there's a full manual PDF online anywhere (not the e-manual)?

Thanks!
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I believe the ES7100 does handle 24p correctly from what I have seen watching BluRays, although I couldn't find any reviews that officially said so (I know the ES8000 handles it correctly and they both have the same processor and underlying video software so I assume the ES7100 should handle it).

As far as a full manual on-line I don't think that exists.

If you are deciding between the ES7100 and ES6500 really just comes down to micro-dimming vs not and refresh rate. The ES7100 has a faster refresh rate (240 vs 120), so if the soap opera effect bothers you the ES7100 would be better as you can turn down dejudder and such without having problems with motion blur.
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If you are deciding between the ES7100 and ES6500 really just comes down to micro-dimming vs not and refresh rate. The ES7100 has a faster refresh rate (240 vs 120), so if the soap opera effect bothers you the ES7100 would be better as you can turn down dejudder and such without having problems with motion blur.
Is the 3D mode improved with the faster 240Hz rate as well since in active 3D mode it has to display at twice the normal rate.
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Is the 3D mode improved with the faster 240Hz rate as well since in active 3D mode it has to display at twice the normal rate.

I haven't viewed that much 3D content, I have only played Killzone in 3D (which made the game way cooler) so I don't have much of an opinion based on my own observations.

But my understanding of the technology is that 3D would basically halve the refresh rate - if the TV can display 240hz in 2D switching to 3D reduces the perceived refresh rate to 120hz (due to active shutter glasses). So with the ES6500 being 120hz, in 3D you would have a 60hz TV, which have issues with motion blur.
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I believe the ES7100 does handle 24p correctly from what I have seen watching BluRays, although I couldn't find any reviews that officially said so (I know the ES8000 handles it correctly and they both have the same processor and underlying video software so I assume the ES7100 should handle it).
As far as a full manual on-line I don't think that exists.
If you are deciding between the ES7100 and ES6500 really just comes down to micro-dimming vs not and refresh rate. The ES7100 has a faster refresh rate (240 vs 120), so if the soap opera effect bothers you the ES7100 would be better as you can turn down dejudder and such without having problems with motion blur.

Thanks for the reply Elmo, you've been quite helpful. The Soap Opera Effect does bother me quite a bit (and my wife flat-out refuses to watch it), so it's good to know that it can be effectively eliminated. I'm coming from a 2004-vintage Panasonic DLP (50") for reference, and I'm having to get up-to-date on all tech advancements since then pretty rapidly (the Panasonic started dying this week, and I need to get a replacement lined up pronto).

If you have any other tips regarding the 7100, they'd be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
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One major reason we went with the 7100 over the 6500 was the frame. The cabinet of the 7100 is "barely there". The 6000 series has the traditional frame.

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Thanks for the reply Elmo, you've been quite helpful. The Soap Opera Effect does bother me quite a bit (and my wife flat-out refuses to watch it), so it's good to know that it can be effectively eliminated. I'm coming from a 2004-vintage Panasonic DLP (50") for reference, and I'm having to get up-to-date on all tech advancements since then pretty rapidly (the Panasonic started dying this week, and I need to get a replacement lined up pronto).
If you have any other tips regarding the 7100, they'd be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
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I came from a 2004 Samsung DLP (50") - I wish DLP would have taken off, it had the brightness of LCD and the picture quality of a plasma. Just know that motion is never going to be as good as a DLP, for that you need to buy a plasma, but the 7100 does a pretty good job - I keep my motion setting at "clear" which is the lowest setting without turning all the motion enhancement off and that doesn't introduce much a soap opera effect at all and still keeps motion from getting too blurry.
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I came from a 2004 Samsung DLP (50") - I wish DLP would have taken off, it had the brightness of LCD and the picture quality of a plasma. Just know that motion is never going to be as good as a DLP, for that you need to buy a plasma, but the 7100 does a pretty good job - I keep my motion setting at "clear" which is the lowest setting without turning all the motion enhancement off and that doesn't introduce much a soap opera effect at all and still keeps motion from getting too blurry.

That's good to know, re: motion; thanks for the tip! My Panasonic DLP has been very good to me over the years, but it's coming to the end of its run. I'll be pulling the trigger on a 7100 this week.

I was originally considering getting a plasma, but to be frank, the whole plasma "thing" of needing to break in the set for 100 hrs of full-screen-only viewing, not having stationary graphics on-screen lest you get image retention (my wife and I watch a lot of sports, and she's an avid gamer, so we have all three game platforms hooked up), etc. just seems like a lot of hassle. Do I want great image quality? Yes! But I also want to actually watch my system, instead having to baby it! And besides that, our great room is exceptionally bright in the afternoons even with our blinds closed, so we'll need the extra brightness that an LED can throw to overcome that.

Thanks again!
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One major reason we went with the 7100 over the 6500 was the frame. The cabinet of the 7100 is "barely there". The 6000 series has the traditional frame.

I was going back and forth between the two frames. My current DLP has quite an amazingly large frame (and then two speaker "wings" off either side), so in either case, it's going to be a considerable difference in appearance. My wife and I looked at both yesterday, and she prefers the 7100's styling as well. Sold! smile.gif
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Those of you who have purchased this unit online/retailer other than Costco; is your frame silver or black?

We went and looked at this TV at Costco and it seems to be more of a black frame (still a little silver tint to it IMO...but not 'chrome' like some of the other frames). My wife prefers the black look and so do I. But I notice everywhere you see these online they say the frame color is silver.

The Costco model is a UN60ES7150 and everything else seems to be UN60ES7100. Are the frame colors actually different? I know some of these stores get specific products that are different from anything else out there...you can Google UN60ES7150 and all you find is random stuff...nobody else sells this specific model.

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I have the UN60ES7100 and it has a chrome edge and about 1/2" black border on the front. There is a clear border between the black front & chrome sides.
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Would you mind taking a few pictures of that?
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