Originally Posted by JewDaddy
Great. Thanks for the info.
Btw, did you get to see this in person? If so, I would love to hear your impressions and whether or not the price tag is justified. The main things I'm interested in hearing are viewing angle, black levels and whether or not there's light bleeding or clouding. Thanks!
I saw in person at the unveiling, talked to the Samsung reps.
It is certainly edge lit LCD (I don't think it is possible to fit an active matrix in the depth of this TV). They did not allow 3D glasses, so I did not see the 3D performance. I was able to compare it to the Sharp 90" (which was just a few feet away), and the Elite 70" (also a few feet away). I also had about an hour of one-on-one time with it and the rep - not because I'm special... just because I was early and they were setting it up.
I should also note, though the Sharp (90" and Elite 70") were in areas more suitable for viewing, the ES9000 was in a large atrium with poor lighting conditions (at best).
Also FYI, I have the (last of the breed), Pioneer Kuro 60" Plasma... so that's kind of my reference.
It is gorgeous aesthetically. The box itself, I found to be the best looking TV I've ever seen. The small bezel, the large screen gave it the appearance of a piece of art just floating in front of the wall... especially when on. When off, I have the same issue I have with ALL big screen TVs, they are big and black and ugly, and this one is no exception.
Couldn't get the gesture system to work... we did the setup and I even waived my hands... no joy. But I'm a whole house control system kind of guy anyway, so gesturing at my TV is reserved for the kind of things I don't do in front of my kids. That said, my son was having a blast playing with the XBox Kinect setup they kindly provided. So, good example of working and non-working gesture systems side by side. Maybe you can get to work, but I didn't see it working with me, or with the other's later in the event.
They didn't let me play with that earlier in the day (when it was quiet), and unsurprisingly it didn't working in the very noisy environment later during the event. There were signs of hope, when they were demoing the web browser (which I would NEVER use), and in between 4 "please repeat" messages, it nailed the 5th sentence perfectly. So, I'm thinking ambient noise was the issue. I personally use a TiVo for TV, so the whole "Watch CNBC" wouldn't have helped... so again, not very interesting.
Tried to play Angry Birds... which I still don't get the appeal of... so I gave my turn to my son, who got frustrated and quit. But it was really pretty dramatic on the huge screen. Have to remember to hook it up via Apple TV onto my current TV when I get home. Anyway, seems to be not quite as useable as the XBox/Kinect, but again, there was alot going on in the room... so... oh, who cares... LOL. I guess I just would never do any of this on my TV. They did show an Amazon Instant Video app... as well as Netflix, and a couple others... I also get the idea of maybe having a stock ticker or something to get instant quick access to data... so...
Well again, the viewing area was an atrium, so I can't commit to a perfect review... but after the sun went down, it became a little easier to distinguish the good and bad. They were showing Harry Potter and Avatar most of the evening. The Harry Potter showed pretty nice grey shading and what appeared to be a pretty evenly lit screen. They didn't put up a white screen so it was a little hard to check for uniform lighting, but I plan on checking back after they move the TV to a more suitable location. That said, there were lots of dark scenes which displayed really nicely - lots of dark robes that showed the good shading, et. al. I'm not a huge Harry Potter fan, so I'm not familiar with the media, but I was suitably impressed. Avatar was bright a vivid with crazy color - and yes, it was most likely because they were showing it on the vivid mode. I was able to get them to switch it to "Movie" which is a bit better, and the colors toned down nicely. I am a fan of Avatar, and remind those that aren't that there are alot of close ups in between all the computer generated stuff (which always looks harsh and overly edgy IMHO). Anyway, hair was incredibly detailed and smooth. You could trace single hairs down the screen with no jaggies at all. I was enjoying my discovery of this greatly until the Samsung rep went crazy pointing it out. Anyway, it was pretty impressive. The closeups of the lead guy (forgive me for not knowing his name), especially when he is unshaven, were likewise simply perfect to my eye. Great skin tone, perfect picture.
Anyway, I'm one of those people that believes technically best is not always the thing that every person will appreciate the most. I love electrostatic speakers though I'm well aware they blow in the "bass" department. I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford electrostatic speakers for my vocals and a nice set of Thiels for my R&R. So, I could see this being a great TV regardless of how it stacks up in the technical department (no matrix), it really looked that good.
The screen looked great in the horrible lighting of the atrium - an impressive feat. The screen looked good at bad angles (from the side), but showed some dimming when you changed viewing angle from standing to sitting - not a lot - but enough that I would want to center the screen based on your sitting position.
Worth noting was the screen looked overly "sharp" playing Avatar in Vivid mode. The close up head popped "too much" to be just super good contrast. It could easily have been artifacts between the film and special effect background, but something that was "not right" to me.
When things dimmed, and they put the TV in Movie mode, I rechecked the scene in Avatar that looked too sharp, and it softened up nicely, looking much more like what I was accustomed to.
Oh, and the black levels were outstanding. IMHO, as good as any... but it would be hard to say as good as the Elite, because, again, it was in an atrium and I just couldn't say that with confidence. But it certainly didn't give the impression it wasn't as good as the Elite - if you know what I mean.
Well... that's all I can think of saying.
FWIW, I think the Sharp 90" is awful. To those conspiracy people out there, I've seen it on more than one occasion, so no, they didn't screw it up for this event to make the Samsung look good - LOL. I really don't like it.
The Sharp Elite 70" is gorgeous. I can't flaw it for anything, other than the bigger, uglier box it sits in (required for matrix lighting) and the oppressive price.
I do worry this 75" is the height of big screen tech for now. With OLED coming along, I have a feeling the manufacturers are going to use those to prop up the price of the high end TVs and we're going to be choosing from 75" 20k OLED or garbage like the 90" sharp. I think this is the niche middle product that will likely not be improved upon, save incremental updates. I hope I'm wrong here...
Oh, I know someone that bought one the night of the event. He paid 8k with a $200 mount thrown in... so that brings in closer to the Elite in terms of pricing. Probably better deals in terms of pricing available in the future, but for now, that should give you something to aim at. Also, I'm aware they discount the Elite 70" quite a bit. I'm holding out for a "theater room" audition.
Oh yeah, I'm sure this is an optical illusion of sorts, but have a 60" plasma at home, I was never impressed with the size of the "Elite." That is to say, after seeing it several times, I always figured it wasn't that much bigger than my TV to consider upgrading. But there is something about the 75" that made it seem "BIG." I'm not sure if it is the small bezel or what, but it just had that feel to it. See it in person and you'll know what I mean.
Anyway, one man's opinion, hope this helps someone out there...