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post #1441 of 4538 Old 11-06-2012, 09:16 AM
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"They placed the Avengers disc in the ELITE and I was suprised that the picture motion was not fluid. If the term is juttering, then I will use that term. The movement was inferior to the smooth motion of the sony 65HX950. This concerned me as I expected the picture to be better on the ELITE. "
If you went into the Elite menu and tried some other motion settings, you can get the Elite to play it as smooth as the Sony did. Just as going into the Sony menu and changing some of it's many motion controls will affect it's smoothness.
I have done a direct comparison of the 70X5FD and 65HX929 (rebadged as a 65HX950) both running the same time out of my Anthem D2v and Oppo or Directv. Both sets were tweaked in movie mode, with cnet's settings. My findings were the Sony had better color accuracy and pop. The Elite had more consistent smooth motion when playing different dvd/blu-rays and Directv. The Sony I'd have to go into the menu and change some of the motion settings per the source I wanted to watch, more times then with the Elite. Some movies the Sony could not get the motion nailed (King Kong had some scenes where no mater what motion setting I tried, it could not find the right one), where the Elite always found a way to do it with some setting. The Elite has pulsing issues and some colors, (blues and greens) where not as accurate when compared to the Sony. I think the two very best LED sets out are the Elite and Sony. Sony, how about a 70HX950 for $8,500 vs Elites 70X5FD for $8,500. Five inches more really does help with immersion.

I'm a nutter when it comes to motion handling. I found the best setting on the Sony is MotionFlow Standard and Cinemotion Auto 1 for ALL content. They work in conjunction for all content, not just movies. Set it and forget it. This eliminates 90% of judder while preventing nasty Soap Opera Effect or motion artifacts in video games. It also is a LOT faster than the newest Samsung when motion settings are enabled. Would have been interesting if you could have done a lag test between the Elite and Sony with the smoothing settings on. But rest assured, as a motion interpolation junkie over here, I am very satisfied with the HX950 motion handling. I just wish it allowed motion smoothing in 3D games like it does in 3D movies.
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Hey, I have the 55" and I went to the picture setting and set the display area to Full Pixel. However, Full Pixel will only stay at 1080i. Any resolution lower than that, the display area goes back to normal. Is that right? Shouldn't full pixel stay on for all HD resolutions (720p, 1080i, 1080P). Thanks for all your responses.

I found this too. It just remembers independent settings for each resolution. So you only have to set it once per resolution. There are a bunch of settings that are memorized independently per resolution, so watch out!
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I will be purchasing the 65" soon once there's enough gas in my car to bring it back home but cant seem to justify the extra 2k$ for only 10 more inches and the possibility of issues reported in the forum. I presently own a 55XBR8 and HW30AES 3D Projector with a 125" screen.7.gif

So you will buy the 65" or you won't?

I am confused.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I will be purchasing the 65" soon once there's enough gas sapa in my car to bring it back home but cant seem to justify the extra 2k$ for only 10 more inches and the possibility of issues reported in the forum. I presently own a 55XBR8 and HW30AES 3D Projector with a 125" screen halong.7.gif

Who cares if its improved over the HX929 in terms of zones, when you can't even buy the HX929 anymore, at least not in 65". This TV is not even near to being in the same price range as the Elite to begin with: $5500 for 65" vs $8000 for 70".
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Who cares if its improved over the HX929 in terms of zones, when you can't even buy the HX929 anymore, at least not in 65". This TV is not even near to being in the same price range as the Elite to begin with: $5500 for 65" vs $8000 for 70".

FFS people. street price for the 70" elite has been around $6k (and occasionally lower) for months.
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So you will buy the 65" or you won't?
I am confused.

Must be a BIG car to fit a 65" in-a-box so I guess he needs a lotta gas, and if he lives in the Nor'east he'll have a bit of a wait in gas lines.lol laughter.gif

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FFS people. street price for the 70" elite has been around $6k (and occasionally lower) for months.

ONLY IF YOU WANT ZERO RETURN POLICY.
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ONLY IF YOU WANT ZERO RETURN POLICY.

omgz! you posted in all caps so it must be true!! rolleyes.gif
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Does anyone know if this TV can display how many hours are on the set ? And if so, how do I do it/see it ?
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BB just had their delivery service attempt another replacement TV. This one was kind enough to have very bad lighting in the corners, two clumps of something under the glass visible at certain angles, and instead of a singular band in the middle, it had two. Glad to see Sony is stepping it up. Glad I told the delivery guys I was going to test it in the entry way before they even came in and unhooked the other one. I love how delivery guys sometimes are so impatient they can't be bothered with an extra 5 minutes. The time they saved in letting me hook it up kept them from having to install one TV and uninstall the other. Pretty silly. Sony is also dropping by today with one, so lets see how they do when it comes direct from the manufacturer. Do they cherry pick theirs?
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BB just had their delivery service attempt another replacement TV. This one was kind enough to have very bad lighting in the corners, two clumps of something under the glass visible at certain angles, and instead of a singular band in the middle, it had two. Glad to see Sony is stepping it up. Glad I told the delivery guys I was going to test it in the entry way before they even came in and unhooked the other one. I love how delivery guys sometimes are so impatient they can't be bothered with an extra 5 minutes. The time they saved in letting me hook it up kept them from having to install one TV and uninstall the other. Pretty silly. Sony is also dropping by today with one, so lets see how they do when it comes direct from the manufacturer. Do they cherry pick theirs?

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BB just had their delivery service attempt another replacement TV. This one was kind enough to have very bad lighting in the corners, two clumps of something under the glass visible at certain angles, and instead of a singular band in the middle, it had two. Glad to see Sony is stepping it up. Glad I told the delivery guys I was going to test it in the entry way before they even came in and unhooked the other one. I love how delivery guys sometimes are so impatient they can't be bothered with an extra 5 minutes. The time they saved in letting me hook it up kept them from having to install one TV and uninstall the other. Pretty silly. Sony is also dropping by today with one, so lets see how they do when it comes direct from the manufacturer. Do they cherry pick theirs?


No special selection, they just pull one from stock and ship it.

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I think it's time for you to move onto something else...

Second delivery today, this one from Sony handled by Ceva. Aside from the motor bike they stacked on the tv box, I'm hoping its good. Preliminary check seemed good. No pixels, minimal banding. A little dimmer in the corners than other, but otherwise seems good. Gonna hook it up in permanent location shortly. It's not impossible, but they seem hard to find with bb inventory.

And I can't move on as I made a deal with BB on taking two plasmas back because their staff made the mistake of selling me plasmas a year ago and said you couldn't get burn in. On IR if you break the plasma in correctly. Long story short, I can't switch tvs. And I honestly wouldn't want to given the alternatives. When you get a good set, this one is the best on the market. It's just frustrating the debris that gets behind the panels and having to endure what I have. Spending $10k on TV sets is a lot of money. What I'm expecting is nothing short of appropriate. But you may be ok with banding, dust under the glass and a stuck subpixel in the same set. My money tree is kinda barren as we save up for this stuff.
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Second delivery today, this one from Sony handled by Ceva. Aside from the motor bike they stacked on the tv box, I'm hoping its good. Preliminary check seemed good. No pixels, minimal banding. A little dimmer in the corners than other, but otherwise seems good. Gonna hook it up in permanent location shortly. It's not impossible, but they seem hard to find with bb inventory.
And I can't move on as I made a deal with BB on taking two plasmas back because their staff made the mistake of selling me plasmas a year ago and said you couldn't get burn in. On IR if you break the plasma in correctly. Long story short, I can't switch tvs. And I honestly wouldn't want to given the alternatives. When you get a good set, this one is the best on the market. It's just frustrating the debris that gets behind the panels and having to endure what I have. Spending $10k on TV sets is a lot of money. What I'm expecting is nothing short of appropriate. But you may be ok with banding, dust under the glass and a stuck subpixel in the same set. My money tree is kinda barren as we save up for this stuff.

You can try going to Sony, though I know some had issues getting them to take care of issues with the HX929. So it may be a bit of hit or miss.
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You can try going to Sony, though I know some had issues getting them to take care of issues with the HX929. So it may be a bit of hit or miss.

My suggestion is to go through "Sony Listens" on facebook, they are somewhat better resolving problems because they are aware of the "eyes" on them via facebook. I have directed several people there and they were responded to successfully. Good Luck .

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Just received my 65". I hate to say this but I feel like the 55" I just exchanged for this one had a panel that blows this one away. WS perfect with no banding. 65" came with dead pixels and vertical banding towards the middle of the display. Picture is much more dim and DSE.

This sucks.
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Just received my 65". I hate to say this but I feel like the 55" I just exchanged for this one had a panel that blows this one away. WS perfect with no banding. 65" came with dead pixels and vertical banding towards the middle of the display. Picture is much more dim and DDR.
This sucks.

My personal opinion is that the 65" sets needed more zones to effectively improve the image quality and most likely reduce the banding problems ....a lot of real estate with insufficient zones.

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thanks rizzo.
so bummed about this.

i wanted the quality that i experienced in the display of the 55, in the 65.

they are so different.

i hate to say it but the panel on the 65 sucks. is it possible there are different manufacturers for the 65 panel or all they all bad?
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the 55 was so much brighter. why is that rizzo?
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the 55 was so much brighter. why is that rizzo?

the real estate of that panel is just to much to illuminate adequately and those panels were sub contracted by a few manufacturers and not under Sony's quality control. the 55" panels were better and the 46" panels were the best produced. ( I don't know why Sony dropped the 46" model from their line up ?)

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once again, thank you rizzo.

so you dont believe if i try to return for another one i might get the same panel from the 55? are they all this dim you believe.
want to save the hassle of having to play the panel lottery.

if they are all like this due to the screen real estate i wont be keeping the 65. the 55 was a very very nice display. very very bright!
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once again, thank you rizzo.
so you dont believe if i try to return for another one i might get the same panel from the 55? are they all this dim you believe.
want to save the hassle of having to play the panel lottery.
if they are all like this due to the screen real estate i wont be keeping the 65. the 55 was a very very nice display. very very bright!

Of most folks on the "exchange panel" merry-go-round only a few were satisfied sufficiently to finally keep their 65" displays, It's a real shame as these are truly great sets, quite competitive in PQ with the exception of the LED off axis problems. I would suggest you look to another 55" set.

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Strongly considering the 60" sharp elite.

Any advice?

(I'm in between the 60" sharp and the 55" sony xbr.)
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Strongly considering the 60" sharp elite.
Any advice?
(I'm in between the 60" sharp and the 55" sony xbr.)

Neither. Too close to 2013. I personally am waiting to see what Sharp and Panasonic put out first. I almost jumped on the 950 but not enough improvement over the 929 and the bandig issue drove me away.
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the real estate of that panel is just to much to illuminate adequately and those panels were sub contracted by a few manufacturers and not under Sony's quality control. the 55" panels were better and the 46" panels were the best produced. ( I don't know why Sony dropped the 46" model from their line up ?)

The 55" panel is the same one used in the 46" so what exactly makes the 46" panel better?

And may I suggest to greenslime that before you jump ship back to a 55" set if the whole issue is just brightness, make sure you have the 65" set up properly.

Go into preferences and make sure ambient sensor and light limiter (all the crap in there for that matter) is set off.

I can tell you I have a 65hx929 and I always leave backlight at 3 and its extremely bright. I can't bare to have it any higher especially in a fully darkened/dimly lit room. Don't see why it should be different for the hx950.

And wasn't it confirmed that the 65hx950 had 125 zones? That's about the same ratio to screen size as having 105 for the 55" and 96 for the 46" so I don't see why picture quality should be different.

I know 46/55 have SPVA vs SMVA for the 65 and most people would actually argue that the SMVA is superior to SPVA+Psa especially for 2d pq as the Psa tech sacrifices 2d performance (contrast+ viewing angles) in order to provide better 3d performance.

This would also explain the reports we got earlier about the 55" version having bad viewing angles whereas the 65 has been reported to be quite good for of axis viewing.

It also falls in place with flavius reporting somewhat poor 3d performance on the 65 whereas we are not seeing people say the same about the 55. Probably the Psa tech kicking in which is causing these differences. I'm not saying for sure, but just a guess base on the spec differences between these panels.
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I'm kind of stuck. I have 30 days to get a new tv.
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Strongly considering the 60" sharp elite.
Any advice?
(I'm in between the 60" sharp and the 55" sony xbr.)

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The Elite wasn't perfect, however. Zohn cited a few color-related issues, including undersaturated green, an inability to reproduce accurate teal, and the fact that color calibration can't be performed while local dimming is engaged.

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And may I suggest to greenslime that before you jump ship back to a 55" set if the whole issue is just brightness, make sure you have the 65" set up properly.
Go into preferences and make sure ambient sensor and light limiter (all the crap in there for that matter) is set off.
I can tell you I have a 65hx929 and I always leave backlight at 3 and its extremely bright. I can't bare to have it any higher especially in a fully darkened/dimly lit room. Don't see why it should be different for the hx950.

Honestly, it's not just brightness. It feels like I got a cheap display.
I don't know if anyone has ever gotten the terrible dim displays instead of one of the good ones on an iPhone. That feeling like you just need to raise the brightness, but it's always maxed. The colors just seem washed out and soft as well. The 55 I just exchanged lit up my white room with bright lights and colors. This one doesn't do that at all.
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And thank you Rizzo and everyone who has helped me with advice!
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the real estate of that panel is just to much to illuminate adequately and those panels were sub contracted by a few manufacturers and not under Sony's quality control. the 55" panels were better and the 46" panels were the best produced. ( I don't know why Sony dropped the 46" model from their line up ?)

The 55" panel is the same one used in the 46" so what exactly makes the 46" panel better?

And may I suggest to greenslime that before you jump ship back to a 55" set if the whole issue is just brightness, make sure you have the 65" set up properly.

Go into preferences and make sure ambient sensor and light limiter (all the crap in there for that matter) is set off.

I can tell you I have a 65hx929 and I always leave backlight at 3 and its extremely bright. I can't bare to have it any higher especially in a fully darkened/dimly lit room. Don't see why it should be different for the hx950.

And wasn't it confirmed that the 65hx950 had 125 zones? That's about the same ratio to screen size as having 105 for the 55" and 96 for the 46" so I don't see why picture quality should be different.

I know 46/55 have SPVA vs SMVA for the 65 and most people would actually argue that the SMVA is superior to SPVA+Psa especially for 2d pq as the Psa tech sacrifices 2d performance (contrast+ viewing angles) in order to provide better 3d performance.

This would also explain the reports we got earlier about the 55" version having bad viewing angles whereas the 65 has been reported to be quite good for of axis viewing.

It also falls in place with flavius reporting somewhat poor 3d performance on the 65 whereas we are not seeing people say the same about the 55. Probably the Psa tech kicking in which is causing these differences. I'm not saying for sure, but just a guess base on the spec differences between these panels.
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