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I originally wanted the Sony XBR 65hx929 but its too expensive at $4999
This is a full array LED tv.

Do you know if Samsung have similiar ones? I went on their website, doesn't say if it is edge lite LEDs or full array.

I cannot tell the difference between these 3 Samsungs but I can guess that the ones under $3000 are edge light. I am debating if full array is worth the extra money.


New 65" Class (64.5" Diag.) LED 8000 Series Smart TV

UN65ES8000F
$3719


New 65" Class (64.5" Diag.) LED 6550 Series Smart TV

UN65ES6550F
$3799



New 65" Class (64.5" Diag.) LED 6500 Series Smart TV

UN65ES6500F
$2859



Just by looking at the series, I am guessing the 6500 is the cheapest because it is the oldest? Worse worst dynamic picture quality. Then the 6550, but that is more expensive than the 8000 series. All are native 240Hz and "WiFi ready". I think I need to buy a laptop with Intel Wireless display and it will work with these without wires. Someone pleaes confirm.
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I am looking for the best LED tv in a 65" price. I am still debating full array or edge lite. I can't REALLY tell the difference but most say edge lit is a dying technology. I see Sony's XBR as the only full array but it costs $4999. The Samsungs, I believe are all edge lit.

Any other full array brands in 65"?
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I am in the same boat.

I started looking at Plasmas due to the rave reviews of the black levels, the smooth picture and so forth. But when I went looking at the Panasonic 65" VT50 or the Panasonic 65" GT50 or the Samsung PN64E8000 I found all brighter colors and ESPECIALLY whites to have a dingy look. Even in the high end store that caters to the high end buyer and where they try to present the TV's in the best presentation they can. Due to this dingy look I am not sure I can get past it... for my eye it just doesn't quite feel like I am looking at a great picture. Now if all I looked at was dark movies that never showed much white then I think I would love it, but I know there be a lot of whites for sports, games, and movies. I am still debating, but in my mind I am having a hard time getting past it. So... this leads me back to the LED/LCD camp for another linke.

I was look at the Sony XBR65HX950 and it WAS BEAUTIFUL, but I cannot swing $5000 dollars for a TV. Of course this has the full backlit array. Just like you are saying jyeh74... to expensive

So I am in the same boat... I want to find the best LED/LCD for the buck.

I am looking at the same models jyeh74 is looking. Look forward to hearing feedback to jyeh74 post as well. I think if there are TVs that rival the Samsung it would be helpful if someone pointed out alternatives if there are any.
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I'm not sure the Samsung 65" 8000 series is worth it at $3719. the cheapest I found was about $3069 here
http://www.buysquad.com/product.aspx?pf_id=UN65ES8000

I still don't know if it is worth it. Is this edge lit or full array? Samsung website doesn't say.

I think the Samsung 65" 6500 series might be better but trying to figure out the difference. It is $2291 here
http://www.buysquad.com/product.aspx?pf_id=UN65ES6500
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I was told it the UN65ES8000 was edge lit buy the high end dealer who seemed to know his stuff. I also found several reviews that both classified them edge lit. I am not sure it is worth $3500 which is price locally. Or even $3069.

The ES6500 is more to my price range, but for that price ($2600) in my local area or $2291 through buysquad is there a better option that the ES6500?
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Why is the ES6500 cheaper than the ES8000? Does the ES8000 have 3D glasses included or something? I believe the ES6500 is also edge lit LED.
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Here are the differences I see:

- Dynamic contrast ratio of 30,000,000 to 1 on 8000 and 7,000,000 to 1 on 6500.
- Clear Motion Rate of 960 on 8000 and only 480 on 6500.
- Micro Dimming on 8000.
- The 8000 has ability to upgrade hardware over the next 4 or 5 years to gain new capabilities. No clue on cost, but it is a hardware module and software upgrades. Don't know if they have officially stated prices or exactly what will be there, but I watched a video from samsung on this and it seems like a cool ability. But of course you are limited to the screen's ability from a standpoint of resolution and so forth.

There may be something else, but those were the core things when I did comparison on Samsung site and watched a video from Samsung about their TV.s
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I am in the same boat.
I started looking at Plasmas due to the rave reviews of the black levels, the smooth picture and so forth. But when I went looking at the Panasonic 65" VT50 or the Panasonic 65" GT50 or the Samsung PN64E8000 I found all brighter colors and ESPECIALLY whites to have a dingy look. Even in the high end store that caters to the high end buyer and where they try to present the TV's in the best presentation they can. Due to this dingy look I am not sure I can get past it... for my eye it just doesn't quite feel like I am looking at a great picture. Now if all I looked at was dark movies that never showed much white then I think I would love it, but I know there be a lot of whites for sports, games, and movies. I am still debating, but in my mind I am having a hard time getting past it. So... this leads me back to the LED/LCD camp for another linke.
I was look at the Sony XBR65HX950 and it WAS BEAUTIFUL, but I cannot swing $5000 dollars for a TV. Of course this has the full backlit array. Just like you are saying jyeh74... to expensive
So I am in the same boat... I want to find the best LED/LCD for the buck.
I am looking at the same models jyeh74 is looking. Look forward to hearing feedback to jyeh74 post as well. I think if there are TVs that rival the Samsung it would be helpful if someone pointed out alternatives if there are any.


I love that you used the word dingy as that's exactly how I described it to some fellow AVS members just the other night. Was in my Santa Monica Video & Audio Center and could not get past that 'dingy' almost dirty look to the whites. That was even after playing with the different setting that the Panasonic GT and VT have, ie. THX, vivid, game, etc.
For my price range it's looking more like the Samsung 65ES6500 is where I'm leaning, esp. given the brightness of our living room during the day.
Let me know if you close the deal on anything!
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Here are the differences I see:
- Dynamic contrast ratio of 30,000,000 to 1 on 8000 and 7,000,000 to 1 on 6500.
- Clear Motion Rate of 960 on 8000 and only 480 on 6500.
- Micro Dimming on 8000.
- The 8000 has ability to upgrade hardware over the next 4 or 5 years to gain new capabilities. No clue on cost, but it is a hardware module and software upgrades. Don't know if they have officially stated prices or exactly what will be there, but I watched a video from samsung on this and it seems like a cool ability. But of course you are limited to the screen's ability from a standpoint of resolution and so forth.
There may be something else, but those were the core things when I did comparison on Samsung site and watched a video from Samsung about their TV.s

I thought native was 240Hz maximum? They must be manipulating to get 480 and 960.........

So why does the 6550 series cost just as much as the 8000 series?
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I don't want the EH series actually. I need built in Wifi, so I can get the Netgear Push2TV to stream my laptop wirelessly to the TV.

I am looking at the Elite Pro65X5FD but I contacted Elite and they said wireless stream from laptop is not possible and that I need HDMI cables. For a $5k TV, shouldn't it have built in WiFi capabiltiies? All I need is Netgreat Push2TV + laptop with Intel WiDi.
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