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Old 12-20-2012, 03:53 PM - Thread Starter
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So Ive been skeptical of these panels, which most of these 2 new sizes are using. Mostly lower cost brands, but also on a 50" Samsung.

The panel is still unidentified, but my guess is it;s a new panel design from Chei Lin.

Anyways, Ive spied many of these at retail outlets. But now I have one in my Bar & Grill, and I must say that it's black levels are pretty impressive.

Ive spied it with the 10x Loupe and the subpixels themselves behave similarly to the S-PVA and MVA panels, darkening down blocks...and this probably contributes to it's good black levels. However the lit colored LED crystals are borken up, and dont transmit as much light through them as do the S-PVA and MVA, which means they are less effecient in transmitting light. This can contribute to lower full white lumenosity levels (however this can be somewhat offset by using a brighter backlight).

The 39" Insigna 39L240A13 is the model. Ive got a 60" Panny Plasma from 2011 up and also a Vizio 37". The Panasonic black levels are clearly superior, however the Vizio (with it's S-IPS panel) is clearly inferior to the Insignia. And the Insignia is closer to the Panasonic than the Vizio in black levels.

The viewing angles are really good too.


Im now recommending these 39" and 50" paneled sets. They are real bargains.

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Old 12-21-2012, 12:25 AM
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I'll second this. I bought a Toshiba 50L2200U for my dad. It uses one of the new 50" panels plus a DLED backlight. Very good black levels and great uniformity.

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The 39" Insigna 39L240A13 is the model.

Do you definitely mean the 39L240A13 rather than the 39D240A13?
The D was the Black Friday sight-unseen-online-only-but-hey-it's-only-250-bucks special. It's LED lit and spec'd for a 38.5" panel.
The L looks like it's been around awhile. Its panel is spec'd at 39" and is apparently CCFL lit.

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Yes it's the CCFL backlit model. The one onsale for $279.

It is unlikely that the LED backlit model is using a different panel.


All of Insignia's LCD TVs from last year took a big step up from the previous year in black levels and thus PQ, moving from S-IPS panels across the board to MVA panels across the board. These new 39" and 50" models the exception, having these new unknown panels, but they seem to have good black levels too, definitely better blacks than the S-IPS panels.

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I just bought a 39 "D" model today,quite good pic.I have 2 plasma's,that's probably why the brilliance.smile.gif

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Old 12-28-2012, 06:31 AM
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Correction that's an "L" model and still a good+ pic.

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Old 12-29-2012, 01:34 AM
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I guess I'm the only one with a D model. Or, at least, willing to admit it on a site like this. It seems to be the box wine of TVs.

After seeming to make the wrong decision at every juncture, it's mounted high[*] on the wall[**] above the 27" CRT I'd intended to replace[***]. My PBO is the only video source I use with it. To my eye, the picture looks fine, although I suspect the AVS crowd would be unhappy. I've been trying to understand the things people gripe about. I've changed some of the video settings (Energy Savings...blech; overscan...why?) to get better color and framing, but other than not being perfectly pitch black I'm not noticing the evils that I guess I'm supposed to. Sound was a pleasant surprise. I was sure 5W speakers would be inaudible, but cranked up to 80% they're as audible as the CRT's 15W sound at ~30%.

[*] to clear a thermostat by 1", but excellent for reclined + corrective lens viewing
[**] after vowing to not drill holes in the wood panelling and a stud that wasn't where it was supposed to be
[***] burned by deceptive spec tables that make it look there are both component and composite when it's really component xor composite

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I'll second this. I bought a Toshiba 50L2200U for my dad. It uses one of the new 50" panels plus a DLED backlight. Very good black levels and great uniformity.

How is the motion on the 50" Toshiba? I'm looking for something to replace my 50" Samsung plasma that has some problems:(

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