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post #361 of 1788 Old 04-08-2013, 01:39 PM
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Ive seen you post several times about the web browsing speed. If that is what you want, your money is much better spent getting a little nettop/HTCP like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173032

Youll be able to stream movies with XBMC, run any web browser you want like Chrome. You can also use all flash/html5 based web streaming sites. Web browsing on the TV will never equal this.

Sorry if I am posting about that two much. That doesn't have an HDMI input. I was hoping with my ES7500 that I would be able to surf the web while watching TV using PIP and get to it easy with just a push of a couple of buttons on a remote, plus browser and scroll the web pages fast with the remote. Also have it be as fast as a Windows 7 PC. I guess HDTV's still aren't their yet. Maybe Microsoft and Apple will work on their own 55" and 60" HDTV soon? Maybe even work with Samsung and other HDTV makers. I also read that the XBOX 720 might have an HDMI input. Not sure about the PS4. PQ is still cool on my ES7500 - 55"
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Sorry if I am posting about that two much. That doesn't have an HDMI input. I was hoping with my ES7500 that I would be able to surf the web while watching TV using PIP and get to it easy with just a push of a couple of buttons on a remote, plus browser and scroll the web pages fast with the remote. Also have it be as fast as a Windows 7 PC. I guess HDTV's still aren't their yet. Maybe Microsoft and Apple will work on their own 55" and 60" HDTV soon? Maybe even work with Samsung and other HDTV makers. I also read that the XBOX 720 might have an HDMI input. Not sure about the PS4.

You can post all you want about it, I'm just saying you will be disappointed smile.gif They make tons of them with an HDMI output, I just posted the first one I saw on newegg.

For browsing while you watch TV, go with an ipad or laptop in your lap. For dedicated browsing on your TV, Id go with the nettop.

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^^^ sounds like Samsung changed their wording. last year with the 2012 model, there were ad slogans like improve picture quality, and it seems this year they've dropped it and instead only mention software upgrades.

there should really be a class action case for this. it's deceptive advertising.

For sure, you should sue even thought the product has not yet been released, just a preemptive class action ....
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^^^ i think that's a really good ideal, it gives us time.

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^^^ sounds like Samsung changed their wording. last year with the 2012 model, there were ad slogans like improve picture quality, and it seems this year they've dropped it and instead only mention software upgrades.

there should really be a class action case for this. it's deceptive advertising.
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For sure, you should sue even thought the product has not yet been released, just a preemptive class action ....


lol @ preemptive class action
gotta agree with howzz that this is deceptive

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@pitchman: the microdimming ultimate of the F series is different because is at 1000 zones. With Evo kit is enable the precision black, alias local dimming in cinema mode with film at aspect ratio 2.39....

The reason I question the above is because Samsung has only announced one EVO Kit, and it is to be used in both their LED and plasma models. It seems more likely to me that any upgrades the EVO Kit delivers will be common to both technologies. Micro Dimming, Precision Black, et al, are all strictly part of the LED feature set. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'd be surprised if this turns out to be some kind of dual-purpose magic box that brings different features and functionality to two very different technologies...especially at the suggested retail price. I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong about this.
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The reason I question the above is because Samsung has only announced one EVO Kit, and it is to be used in both their LED and plasma models. It seems more likely to me that any upgrades the EVO Kit delivers will be common to both technologies. Micro Dimming, Precision Black, et al, are all strictly part of the LED feature set. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'd be surprised if this turns out to be some kind of dual-purpose magic box that brings different features and functionality to two very different technologies...especially at the suggested retail price. I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong about this.

for 300$ it BETTER BE a MAGIC Box ! ! ! tongue.gif

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We are forgetting $300 is MSRP. What if it actually sold for $200?
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I think Samsung probably realizes a lot of people aren't willing to pay $300 per year for upgrading, but then you gotta realize that these kits come out for the top end models in their line up; the most expensive models to begin with. Also, to people saying Roku etc can do this, yeah, but the TVs that utilize this tech already has the Smart Hub, it has access to all the streaming services and web browsing to begin with. If you have this TV you aren't buying the kit for the apps and services Roku offers.....the TV already has them.
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http://samsungevolutionkit.com/specific-functionality-of-the-evolution-kit/ check this out not sure if it's last year's promise

Here is another more recent http://samsungevolutionkit.com/un55es8000-with-evo-kit-vs-un55f8000/

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That is a fan site, speculation.

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but then you gotta realize that these kits come out for the top end models in their line up; the most expensive models to begin with.

I'm pretty sure you still have to purchase the kits separately.
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In this site there is a important information about HEVC/H265 in Smart Evolution KIT:
http://imaginlab.fr/blog-fr/ces-2013-hevc-4k-8k-ecrans-souples/2013/01/ smile.gif
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I'm pretty sure you still have to purchase the kits separately.
Yeah, the kits are $300.
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HURRY Up "may evo kit date" so we can Finally see if it's a "SCAM" like i believe it is.
Go to MOST BB stores & what will you hear? OH,buy the es8000 cause it has evo kit so in the future it will become a 2013 model with added PQ.
YUP, that was what i was told when buying, also samsungs original EVO kit video said there would be better PQ.
I KNOW what i saw, heard & read last yr & if sammy isn't going to give the goods on increased PQ i will never buy another sammy TV.
As nice as this TV is, 1 main reason for me to get it was "ability to upgrade PQ" in 2D & or 3D.
I don't use smart hub EVER or any other fancy pants gimmicks this TV does.Makes me feel like a "alpha/beta" tester when they expect me to pay 300$ for basically what should be free software update.
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HURRY Up "may evo kit date" so we can Finally see if it's a "SCAM" like i believe it is.
Go to MOST BB stores & what will you hear? OH,buy the es8000 cause it has evo kit so in the future it will become a 2013 model with added PQ.
YUP, that was what i was told when buying, also samsungs original EVO kit video said there would be better PQ.
I KNOW what i saw, heard & read last yr & if sammy isn't going to give the goods on increased PQ i will never buy another sammy TV.
As nice as this TV is, 1 main reason for me to get it was "ability to upgrade PQ" in 2D & or 3D.
I don't use smart hub EVER or any other fancy pants gimmicks this TV does.Makes me feel like a "alpha/beta" tester when they expect me to pay 300$ for basically what should be free software update.
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i totally agree with you but a SW upgrade will not work as you will need the quad core processor to run the new stuff. the fact that i was sold this TV was that all you will need is this set then you can just upgrade each year to the latest TV. Like you would have a New TV each year by just upgrading the EVO KIT. so they go ahead and redesign the whole TV for 2013 and leave us with 2012 tecnology but with a new smart HUB. so what are they promising the 2013 owners

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so what it boils down too Samsung if they don't improve the PQ maybe in their eyes there is no need to as maybe they think its good enough. But i was still told and maybe it was my missunderstanding that when i bought this TV in April of 2012 thats all i will need for the next four to five years because the EVO Kit would update it to the current Flag Ship Model each year

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But i was still told and maybe it was my missunderstanding that when i bought this TV in April of 2012 thats all i will need for the next four to five years because the EVO Kit would update it to the current Flag Ship Model each year

I don't think you're misunderstanding anything. What you are saying is without question the implied pledge that Samsung was giving to consumers at that point in time. The fact is, the 2013 models have now arrived and they are dramatically different from their 2012 counterparts (plus the availability date for the EVO kit keeps getting pushed back). Now, because Samsung realizes the EVO kit is not going to deliver on their original promise, they are back-peddling on those early claims. Unfortunately for them, that does not change or undo what they pledged to consumers more than a year ago.

The ES8000 is a good TV in its own right, but I am more than a little annoyed that folks who buy an F8000 today for roughly the same price I paid for mine in November, are clearly getting a superior TV (in very measurable ways) than the one Samsung sold me.
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HURRY Up "may evo kit date" so we can Finally see if it's a "SCAM" like i believe it is.
Go to MOST BB stores & what will you hear? OH,buy the es8000 cause it has evo kit so in the future it will become a 2013 model with added PQ.
YUP, that was what i was told when buying, also samsungs original EVO kit video said there would be better PQ.
I KNOW what i saw, heard & read last yr & if sammy isn't going to give the goods on increased PQ i will never buy another sammy TV.
As nice as this TV is, 1 main reason for me to get it was "ability to upgrade PQ" in 2D & or 3D.
I don't use smart hub EVER or any other fancy pants gimmicks this TV does.Makes me feel like a "alpha/beta" tester when they expect me to pay 300$ for basically what should be free software update.
mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

Best Buy has been lying about the abilities of this chip for a long time, and they continue to spread misinformation. Every time I go in and ask about the F8000, they try to tell me to get the ES8000 instead because the Evo kit will make it just like the F8000. All lies.
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so what it boils down too Samsung if they don't improve the PQ maybe in their eyes there is no need to as maybe they think its good enough.

That doesn't make sense because every year they boast about the picture quality being better than ever for their new sets.
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I don't think you're misunderstanding anything. What you're saying is without question the implied pledge that Samsung was giving to consumers at that point in time. The fact that now that the 2013 models have arrived and they are dramatically different than their 2012 counterparts (plus the availability date for the EVO kit keeps getting pushed back), so Samsung has begun to back-peddle on their original claim, does not change or undo what they told consumers a year ago.

The ES8000 is a good TV in its own right, but I am more than a little annoyed that folks who buy an F8000 today for roughly the same amount I paid for mine in November, are getting a clearly superior (in a very measurable way) TV than Samsung sold me.

Right. This is the key to the issue I have with it. Of course technology is (supposedly) always getting better. So of course the set you buy next year may be better than the year before. That's unfortunately how it is now. No matter what set you buy, a better one will be out on the horizon.

But - the difference is that Samsung has been promising people their tv will stay current and just the EVO chip will keep your tv current just like the new models each year. That's obviously very untrue, as each year they will be redesigning things, changing panels, re-arranging electronics, changing how the zones work, etc - and the EVO chip cannot help in those hardware areas.
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So I just bought a brand new 55" Samsung TV (model # UN55ES6150FXZA) for over $1000, 3 weeks ago and its broken down 3 times already. I have spent hours speaking to your customer service departments and a lot of time waiting for technicians to come to my house to "fix" the problem, only to have my very expensive TV break down again and again. Now I cannot turn the TV on at all and the new technician tells me I have to wait for 3 days for a part that may or may not fix the issues with the TV anyway.

Maybe it's just me, but would anyone else wait 3 days without a TV in the house at all after paying for such an expensive one and having it for only 3 weeks of complete garbage?

I believe a massive company such as Samsung should provide me a new replacement television immediately or be prepared for an aggressive social media backlash.

Please share this message as much as possible.

This just isnt right. People work hard for their money and this is a gross way to treat loyal customers.

It's not the end of the world because you don't have a tv for 3 days. Seriously.

Anybody who has ever had a defective tv from any company goes through the same thing. Including me when my Samsung needed service. I had 3 different service visits, and each time they needed to place an order for new parts, which meant more waiting. They haven't invented the teleporter yet, so it takes time to place the order, get the part shipped, and then send a guy over to put the new parts in. This is how it is. No company will just give you a new tv without at least trying to repair it first.

While you wait for the service tech, you might want to consider reading a book perhaps to kill some time. There are some good ones on learning patience. wink.gif

Take a deep breath - if it turns out they can't fix the tv with the new parts, you'll be getting a new tv. Waiting can suck but that's just how these things are.
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So I just bought a brand new 55" Samsung TV (model # UN55ES6150FXZA) for over $1000, 3 weeks ago and its broken down 3 times already. I have spent hours speaking to your customer service departments and a lot of time waiting for technicians to come to my house to "fix" the problem, only to have my very expensive TV break down again and again. Now I cannot turn the TV on at all and the new technician tells me I have to wait for 3 days for a part that may or may not fix the issues with the TV anyway.

Maybe it's just me, but would anyone else wait 3 days without a TV in the house at all after paying for such an expensive one and having it for only 3 weeks of complete garbage?

I believe a massive company such as Samsung should provide me a new replacement television immediately or be prepared for an aggressive social media backlash.

Please share this message as much as possible.

This just isnt right. People work hard for their money and this is a gross way to treat loyal customers.
Return/exchange the TV from the seller. Most have a 30 day return policy. Stop posting this in multiple forums.
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So I just bought a brand new 55" Samsung TV (model # UN55ES6150FXZA) for over $1000, 3 weeks ago and its broken down 3 times already. I have spent hours speaking to your customer service departments and a lot of time waiting for technicians to come to my house to "fix" the problem, only to have my very expensive TV break down again and again. Now I cannot turn the TV on at all and the new technician tells me I have to wait for 3 days for a part that may or may not fix the issues with the TV anyway.

Maybe it's just me, but would anyone else wait 3 days without a TV in the house at all after paying for such an expensive one and having it for only 3 weeks of complete garbage?

I believe a massive company such as Samsung should provide me a new replacement television immediately or be prepared for an aggressive social media backlash.

Please share this message as much as possible.

This just isnt right. People work hard for their money and this is a gross way to treat loyal customers.
I was waiting for the part where you discuss the EVO kit but that didn't happen?
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Lol me too can't wait for the scam kit I meant Evo kit
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I got a 55 inch ES7500 about a month ago for $1500 and intend to pick up the Evo kit released next year. It'll be interesting to see how much these kits improve upon each other year over year. You'd think if Samsung intends people to update each year, they'd have to really make it worth your while to spend the $300 annually. TV has amazing picture, and that's why I bought it. Not sure why people get so pissed expecting these kits to improve the picture quality to some ridiculous and nearly unrealistic level.
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I got a 55 inch ES7500 about a month ago for $1500 and intend to pick up the Evo kit released next year. It'll be interesting to see how much these kits improve upon each other year over year. You'd think if Samsung intends people to update each year, they'd have to really make it worth your while to spend the $300 annually. TV has amazing picture, and that's why I bought it. Not sure why people get so pissed expecting these kits to improve the picture quality to some ridiculous and nearly unrealistic level.

Sorry bro, i don't have "unrealistic expectations & or levels there in", i expect that when i am TOLD i will get a new updated like next model TV i EXPECT THAT to be trueth NOT a gimmicky LIE like their implementation of waving hands & talking to TV like 2012 was.!!!
EVEN 2013 is flawed so it looks liike you gotta pay the lazy or incapable programmers MORE $$$ so you get what you should have from day 1.
You HONESTLY think LG & others aren't going to copy this? HAHAHA OFC they WILL & i BET you they will do a better job of it, but in the mean time we will be scammed $$$ so what should be RnD by paying outright for crap.
PLEASE tell me what is the diff between D,ES & F?? damn they seem so damn much the SAME unit with samsung withdrawing what ever they please what ever features.
I BET you the D series is AS capable to be upgraded as the ES is just that they lucked out.If i could find a broken F panel & use the tech placed in a D series i BET it would become a functional F, same with ES.
OVER inflated pricing, pure word game lies & i bet it won't stop there, wouldn't surprise me if samsung gets sued AGAIN by customers.
i can tolerate probable mistakes but i can't tolerate LIES, BLATANT LIES & EVO kit IS a LIE from day 1.
I REALLY hope NO F series user thinks they'll get a G series upgrade with the 2014 evo kit.
MAKE customers AWARE SAMSUNG likes to LIE & will change the game plan as they feel fit & greedy to.
This is my 3rd sammy HDTV but if i don't get ADDED PQ with the evo kit i will make it my SOLE MISSION in life to go as HARD as i can AGAINST sammy for LYING ! ! ! !!

SEK-2000/ZA....Any GOOD ?
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I finally got news incontrovertible for the Evolution kit that bode well. From the Samsung website (Lithuania) I discovered exactly that:eek.gif

Sorry for the translation translated by Google (Chrome), but interesting things are the implementation of the codec HEVC and the "video enhancement" (improve video), of which so much is said in various forums foreigners.
Reference to this site
http://www.samsung.com/lt/consumer/tv-audio-video/televisions/tv-accessories/SEK-1000/XC-features
EDIT: PDPE7000 should correspond to the initials of the Plasma 7000 Series!

By changing the display of specific popping up and the grid appear other interesting specifications .... and then say that no vice!

H / W
"QuadCore Processor
DDR3 memory (1.5 GB)
4 GB Flash Memory
Fox-AP, Fox MP chipset
"MaliT604 500MHz Video Card
10/100 Mbps LAN support

Accessories
Smart Management (TM1360), batteries (AAA 2EA), thin cable, user's guide

Functions
Smart Interaction 2.0 Yes
Voice Control Yes (except PDPE7000) Yes
Motion Control Yes (except PDPE7000) Yes
Face Recognition Yes (except PDPE7000) Yes

Smart Content
Smart Hub 2013
There is voice control (except PDPE7000)
There is a motion control (except PDPE7000)
There are many other functions (except PDPE7000)
The sharing of content inner / outer
There is a "Smart View" (mobile TV)
There is a video enhancement (?)


Covergence intelligent
AllShare (Content Sharing) - content sharing indoor / outdoor yes
AllShare (mirroring the screen) - Mobile TV No
Smart View (Mobile TV) yes
Image quality LCD HEVC codec yes
Web Content-Picture Enhancement yes

Dimensions
Dimensions (WxHxD, mm) 127 x 16 x 91

In essence there is between the functions of the Web video enhancement enhancement - ie the algorithm that enhances images but lacks the web mirroring between devices and the Samsung Tv
Nothing is known about the precision dimming of the improvements, but I think we can hope ....

to supplement this information also an article published in accordance with the information provided above (which I went through to the editor).
http://www.dday.it/redazione/9204/Samsung-Evolution-Kit-migliora-davvero-il-TV.html
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