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Anyone know when the evolution kit for the 2014 HU9000's will be released? I can't find information anywhere on the web. Thanks!
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Anyone know when the evolution kit for the 2014 HU9000's will be released? I can't find information anywhere on the web. Thanks!
Early advertisements for it have popped up on amazon and pcnation but still no release date. Should be within a month or so. Still enjoying the hu9000?
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OCB will be for 2013 F9000, 85S9 / 2014 HU7000, HU7250, HU8550, HU8700, HU9000

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OCB will be for 2013 F9000, 85S9 / 2014 HU7000, HU7250, HU8550, HU8700, HU9000

http://www.ncix.com/detail/samsung-s...-b0-107710.htm

Something doesn't quite sound right? An OCB for all these different models and screen types, plus the differences in hardware. Sounds like a FW nightmare!
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Something doesn't quite sound right? An OCB for all these different models and screen types, plus the differences in hardware. Sounds like a FW nightmare!
Not really when all it does or will do is update Smart Features. That is easy as most of the devices are running the same on that front.

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Anyone know when the evolution kit for the 2014 HU9000's will be released? I can't find information anywhere on the web. Thanks!
Early advertisements for it have popped up on amazon and pcnation but still no release date. Should be within a month or so. Still enjoying the hu9000?
Yes I am!!! That is good news on the new OCB. I see they finally announced the 78" JS9500. Glad I went ahead and got the HU9000 as 15,000 is a bit much for me to spend on a TV. Plus I find it difficult to see that it is a 9,000 upgrade over the TV I got. I love my tv. Could not be happier. How are you doing? You still enjoying yours too?
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Not really when all it does or will do is update Smart Features. That is easy as most of the devices are running the same on that front.
Dude stop with this already we have already proved whats inside of The OCB it will not just update the smart hub SMH go look @ my post on 8500/9000 thread with updated info on HDR coming in OCB and other devices ..
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You can believe what you like, But the truth is in print straight from Samsung. Dude
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is it just me, but it seems there are more HU9000 owners on these forums than X900b owners by far...
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You can believe what you like, Bit the truth is in print straight from Samsung. Dude
Dude we opened up the OCB and found the chips you know this we cross referenced the chips with Chipworks that state what the chips are one is a DTV Scaler . Now a DTV Scaler has nothing to do with smart apps and all to do with video processing. Then we got the description of the chip from samsungparts and 1303 (golf) is listed as video processor . You can die on your sword but the facts don't help your cause . ON the thread irrefutable evidence was presented yet you still spew nonsense. This is AVS boards and we present evidence to back up our claims which I did on chip number and listing as well as function. I went and Asked Scott Wilkinson if HDR is possible with OCB which he said yes . Still don't think OCB has video processor inside lol here is a little bit from HDMI forums

Most of the current 4K UHD TVs on the market aren’t at all ready for HDR content delivery and while the newest TVs from Samsung and others, particularly Samsung’s already released SUHD 4K models, come with built-in HDR compatibility, the HDMI 2.0a specification update for HDR should make even ordinary 4K TVs with the proper firmware updates to their HDMI ports capable of managing high dynamic range in their content.

Robert Blanchard, President of the HDMI Forum also suggested that consumers won’t have to hurry out and buy themselves a new 4K TV just because it has DMI 2.0a ports.

This is because the Forum’s support for HDR enables their 800+ HDMI 2.0 adopters to develop useful products which also include HDR and will maintain interoperability across the entire HDI ecosystem.

However, once again, even for owners of existing 4K UHD TVs without built-in HDR compatibility, and no HDMI 2.0a, there will likely be available firmware updates or purchase options for external connection port boxes that incorporate the new HDMI standard and make HDR feasible in older 4K TVs.

Examples of these include Samsung’s UHD Evolution Kit and Sony’s FMP X5 box for the company’s newer and older 4K TVs.

Bottom line: consumers who want 4K content and HDR in the coming months should not jump at buying a new HDR-capable 4K TV. Instead, they should wait to see what sorts of more affordable and simpler update and compatibility options arrive on the market.
http://4k.com/news/hdmi-2-0a-update-...n-4k-tvs-6502/

Furthemore you will have lots of crow to eat soon as OCB will be announced within 2 weeks and comes out in around 30 days. I know you need to validate your new set but cmon we can't ignore facts and when the case was proven and put to rest . After point was proven nobody heard a peep from you . I am in disbelief that when something was proven to be correct by taking apart the components and getting the relevant part information we can still be so stubborn. Just by using basic logic how could 2 chips in OCB be marked with SAMSUNGS proprietary video processing engine (DNIE) and not be associated with video processing ..Really?
the octa core is a separate chip in OCB we have a diagram NObody likes to be wrong but give it a rest bro.
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I will not need to eat crow. I also do not need a reason to validate my purchases. As stated you can believe what you like but at the end if the day smart features it is. Always good to believe in fairy tales I suppose.

You need to understand that people will not always believe what you do. The same goes for myself, I have a right to post my opinion without you attacking my post. Also I owned a 9000 and returned it due to poor quality.
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I will not need to eat crow. I also do not need a reason to validate my purchases. As stated you can believe what you like but at the end if the day smart features it is. Always good to believe in fairy tales I suppose.

You need to understand that people will not always believe what you do. The same goes for myself, I have a right to post my opinion without you attacking my post. Also I owned a 9000 and returned it due to poor quality.
You opinion is silly after facts have been presented. You have the right to believe whatever you want this is true.All I ask of you is when you opinion is proven wrong that you will admit it . By golly if OCB does not have video processing and bring pur colour and auto depth enhancer I will be the first to say it. So can you do the same?
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They could activate those features now if they wanted to via firmware. Ocb not needed

Anyways enjoy your tv and we can agree to disagree.

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They could activate those features now if they wanted to via firmware. Ocb not needed

Anyways enjoy your tv and we can agree to disagree.
I did not ask if we could agree to disagree . I asked if proven wrong will you admit it?Simple yes or no
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You opinion is silly after facts have been presented. You have the right to believe whatever you want this is true.All I ask of you is when you opinion is proven wrong that you will admit it . By golly if OCB does not have video processing and bring pur colour and auto depth enhancer I will be the first to say it. So can you do the same?
According to mark there is 2 golf chips, 1 in tv that does the video processing and 1 in the ocb that is "hollow" and only carries out a couple minor jobs. I am extremely tempted to take my back panel off and see if this is true. If there is no 2nd golf chip then we can immediately debunk marks theory.
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According to mark there is 2 golf chips, 1 in tv that does the video processing and 1 in the ocb that is "hollow" and only carries out a couple minor jobs. I am extremely tempted to take my back panel off and see if this is true. If there is no 2nd golf chip then we can immediately debunk marks theory.
Already debunked marks story. In the same thread I have exploded view of 9000 with all parts listed .Golf 1303 is not listed in parts. 8550 same thing exploded view and Golf 1303 is listed in parts. Go back to his thread last few pages I posted it.
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According to mark there is 2 golf chips, 1 in tv that does the video processing and 1 in the ocb that is "hollow" and only carries out a couple minor jobs. I am extremely tempted to take my back panel off and see if this is true. If there is no 2nd golf chip then we can immediately debunk marks theory.
you should do for AVS bro . Lots of screws but not really hard to do just gotta be patient and you will see that there is no golf chip. 9000 wont work without OCB it has no damn inputs ..
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Already debunked marks story. In the same thread I have exploded view of 9000 with all parts listed .Golf 1303 is not listed in parts. 8550 same thing exploded view and Golf 1303 is listed in parts. Go back to his thread last few pages I posted it.

Also, there would have to be 2 golf chips inside the 8550 but I believe there's only 1. When the ocb was upgraded for the f9000, the software chip changed in the software page. If there are 2 chips like mark said, then there would be a golf chip in the ocb and an original "n" chip still in the tv doing the processing, yet the software page now shows the gold chip. These are facts not my opinion.
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According to mark there is 2 golf chips, 1 in tv that does the video processing and 1 in the ocb that is "hollow" and only carries out a couple minor jobs. I am extremely tempted to take my back panel off and see if this is true. If there is no 2nd golf chip then we can immediately debunk marks theory.
Bingo!
As if would believe that Samsung would sell an OCB cram-packed with all of their proprietary processors and scalers (probably 80% of the TV's workings besides the screen) for the measley sum of $400.

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you should do for AVS bro . Lots of screws but not really hard to do just gotta be patient and you will see that there is no golf chip. 9000 wont work without OCB it has no damn inputs ..
Can the back panel be removed from the normal position or does it have to be lying down? I live by myself so I could only do it if it doesn't have to be laying down.
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Bingo!
As if would believe that Samsung would sell an OCB cram-packed with all of their proprietary processors and scalers (probably 80% of the TV's workings besides the screen) for the measley sum of $400.
ummmm you posted way to fast read above what Ray wrote
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Bingo!
As if would believe that Samsung would sell an OCB cram-packed with all of their proprietary processors and scalers (probably 80% of the TV's workings besides the screen) for the measley sum of $400.
you do realize that Samsung makes most electronic devices chips right? You know the make apples chips right? The have all that HW in a S6 that is more powerful then some peoples home computer. All that is needed in the set is the T-con board to receive signal. All the inputs are on OCB so why so hard to beleive that the processing is done in there seeing how its the point of entry of video feeds ... Yet you guys still dismise that OCB was torn down and we have photos of what inside seriously I dunno whats wrong with the logic here lately sheesh.. Anyways here are pics of OCB opened up ..
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Here is what was posted in different thread that put in to rest!!

4K UHD Standard Future Proof**
With the One Connect Box, enjoy future UHD and Smart TV advancements without having to buy a new TV by simply upgrading or adding a new One Connect Box.** Each future upgrade requires purchase of a new One Connect Box. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN65HU9000FXZA

Note above says enjoy future UHD(which refers to ultra high definition) AND smart tv advancements(refers to hub & apps)


Smart TVs are constantly evolving, but that doesn’t mean you need to purchase a new TV every time there’s an improvement. Samsung UHD TVs come with the option to use a One Connect box with the Evolution Kit built in.* The Evolution Kit allows you to upgrade your connectivity with more connection ports and enables you to update the hardware and software** on your UHD TV. Now you can stay up to date with the latest innovations in Smart TV technology. http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/t...UN65HU9000FXZC

the videos that I posted say instead of getting a new TV all u need to do is update OCB this is not just smart apps when they refer to technology they can always push FW update to get new apps. when they update codecs such as V9 and HDmi ports 2.0 something has to decode these signals b4 they go to the panel also a new OS has been added new HW is required. Like I said according to chipworks 1303 is a dtv scaler(scaler processes images upscales down scales etc this is video processing) 1301(cpu) serializes all the data and sends it to panel.

The last video I posted the rep clearly says that the panel is the panel however they can update the video processor and the processor in the OCB and add new standards which we know are V9 codecs and HDMI 18 gps 2.0 ports which allow us to have proper 4k blu ray reproduction .

Now here is a exploded view of 9000 note that the 9000 does not have the video processing chips in panel the parts are just not listed http://www.searspartsdirect.com/sams...323/00001.html

Now look at the listing for 8550 once again exploded view http://www.searspartsdirect.com/sams...249/00001.html

1204-003497
IC

$99.84
Nationwide BO, Usually ships within 4-6 weeks Specification
SENK83,EDHS-PBGA,1057P,
IC-VIDEO PROCESS

Specification
SDP1305,FCPBGAH,714P,27
IC-VIDEO PROCESS

Bam the serdes chip that is verified in OCB is in panel of 8550 not how it says Video process in description and as noted previously has DNIE marked on it

1204-003489
IC

$65.73
Nationwide BO, Usually ships within 4-6 weeks Specification
SDP1301,FCBGA,680P,25X2
IC-VIDEO PROCESS

1204-003497
IC

$99.84
Nationwide BO, Usually ships within 4-6 weeks Specification

SENK83,EDHS-PBGA,1057P,
IC-VIDEO PROCESS


The infamous Golf chip is also listed in parts for panel

1204-003506
IC

$123.90
Nationwide BO, Usually ships within 4-6 weeks Specification
SDP1303,FCBGAH,1495P,35
IC-VIDEO PROCESS

So as you can see from the diagrams and parts listing the 9000 has no Video processors listed for panel yet we find theses processors on 8550 listings and these processor are present in OCB so we can clearly see that OCB is the brains for 9000 seeing how it houses the video processors and will not work without OCB

below is from Cnet @ ces 2015 http://www.cnet.com/news/tizen-wont-...-tvs-ces-2015/

Joe Stinziano, executive vice president of Samsung Electronics America, said on Monday it can't update older Samsung smart TVs to Tizen by pushing out a software update.

"It is not possible as far as I know," he said in an interview after Samsung's press conference at the 2015 Consumer Electronics Show. "We've been discussing that. Right now I don't believe we're going to be able to go back and combine those operating systems."


Samsung has made a big push to "future proof" its televisions. For the past couple years, it has sold a product called Evolution Kit that allows TV owners to update their devices to the latest technology by switching out a box instead of the entire television set. Samsung hasn't made as big a push with the kits as it did at previous CES shows, but it will be selling them again this year.

The company on Wednesday said owners of last year's H8000 and H7150 LED television sets as well as the pricey, ultra-high definition HU9000 and HU8550 TVs can update to the new operating system after buying a 2015 Evolution Kit. For 4K/Ultra High Definition TV owners, Samsung will sell a One Connect Box that updates not only the software but also the brains of the television, HDMI inputs and other items.

Seriously I have presented so much evidence now I have enclosed pics of OCB and have marked the known processors within it note that chips have DNIE clearly labelled on it


Chipworks description of what 1303(golf) is . The chip is a DTV scaler! This does the video processing of all inputs creating the image . Sony does same thing with their chip and describe it as following.
4K Processor X1 engine and 4K X-Reality™ Pro upscaler ensure the cleanest, clearest picture for all video sources

Now this is AVS so I would expect that Chipworks is known this can't be denied 1303 is a dtv scaler which has nothing to do with smart app or hubs and everything to do with the image. We can clearly see from above pics that 1303 is golf chip and is present in OCB .

Chipworks link http://www.chipworks.com/TOC/Samsung...05-902_TOC.pdf

1301 is serdes . It is an Arm chip and crunches all the data and sends it to the panel as a 10 bit or 8 bit signal
Chip works link http://www.chipworks.com/TOC/Samsung...05-901_TOC.pdf

The octa core plus handles the speed of which the system runs at (os etc) this is all part of the system on chip .
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Can the back panel be removed from the normal position or does it have to be lying down? I live by myself so I could only do it if it doesn't have to be laying down.
from the normal position it can be done.
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from the normal position it can be done.
My tv is easily accessible, all i have to do is turn my entire tv stand around and the back will be right there. I might dive into this tonight after work, and will take pictures of what I find

If there is no video processors found inside the tv, the people who say there is will have to at least acknowledge that their theory has been debunked. And if I do find processors in there, I'll just have to close my account and pretend it didn't happen lol jk
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from the normal position it can be done.

Well I have all the screws off and the back panel is ready to come off. ..buttttt, of course the screwed on stand is screwed to the back panel so I gotta take the stand off to remove the panel. Grrrr lol but I'm going to attempt it amyways!
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The port I'm pointing to is where the OCB plugs into. There is a black casing where I can't see what's behind it.
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Here's another chip of some sort. It says ALTERA cyclone 4. Any guess what that one is?

My biggest question is which board that is that has the black casing on the front. Player, from your blown up diagrams can we figure out what board that is and possible what, if any, chips are on it?
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here's another chip of some sort. It says altera cyclone 4. Any guess what that one is?

My biggest question is which board that is that has the black casing on the front. Player, from your blown up diagrams can we figure out what board that is and possible what, if any, chips are on it?
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