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I just got the UN60F8000, and the following items under Picture Options are disabled out of the box:

- HDMI Black Level
- Film Mode
- Cinema Black

Could anyone tell me what the matter is?

Ensure you are in movie mode!

Almost all options are available in movie mode. In standard mode a lot of options are not available.

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I am, in fact, in Movie Mode, that's what's puzzling.
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I have mine set to Standard for all my gear.

My Oppo 103D will allow HDMI adjustment and my PS3 and Mac Mini will.

However my cable box will not.

Like I have said from the very beginning , "the F8000 is the buggiest TV ever made" .

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I have found the source of those options in Picture Mode being disabled. You have to give each HDMI source a proper name, like AV Receiver, Blu-ray etc, and then those options are enabled only under certain names.

This is a HUGE problem, because only one source name supports disabling overscan, and that's DVI PC, which only has two pictures modes: Standard and Entertain. What a gigantic fail on Samsung's part in making a premium TV. Spent 2K+ on the TV, and it looks like I will never be able to see a true 1080p picture in movie mode--what the hell, Samsung?? This is exactly why I never recommend Galaxy phones to friends. Samsung just sucks at making software, period.

Oh, and if you're using Plex through Smart TV, all of those options will be disabled also. Worthless.
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What experience have you guys had with gaming on this?

 

I bought this a few months ago, and whilst I am well impressed with tv/hd/3d, gaming has sucked enough on it for me to return to my pc monitor for gaming (which is like 5 years old now and almost half the price even back then).

 

Whilst stationary pictures look great, I get this annoying dimming/smearing of dark objects when in motion. This only happens when gaming, but happens on both my ps4 and pc. Is this normal with this tv? I am contemplating getting an engineer to look at it, but thought I would ask here and see if it was post-processing effect that I am unable to switch off (I have tried all settings/game mode/pc input/different cables ect - there seems to be nothing I can do about it).

 

Basically the screen gets momentarily darker when moving the game camera, which manifests itself in different ways when gaming: flicker/smearing/loss of detail on dark objects. The same source doesn't do this on my pc monitor; whilst there is some inevitable motion blur, you have to look real close to see it - I've tried to ignore the effect on the tv, but its really that noticeable. 

 

Here is a good example of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJo0nCk8nH8

 

The rest of the image is fine, but the dark trees keep flickering.

 

Is this normal?

 

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I have found the source of those options in Picture Mode being disabled. You have to give each HDMI source a proper name, like AV Receiver, Blu-ray etc, and then those options are enabled only under certain names.

This is a HUGE problem, because only one source name supports disabling overscan, and that's DVI PC, which only has two pictures modes: Standard and Entertain.

Can't you set the picture size to "Screen Fit" to disable overscan?

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Here is a good example of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJo0nCk8nH8

The rest of the image is fine, but the dark trees keep flickering.

Is this normal?

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Unfortunately, this is normal. PC monitors have a much faster pixel response time than big screen TV's. Samsung uses a Vertically Aligned panel for their TV's which is known for it's "dark tone smear" or slower grey to grey response time. VA panels are used for the purpose of increasing contrast and deepening the black level.

For some reason, darker tone pixels to darker tone pixels take longer than lighter tone pixels to lighter tone pixels. Thus, darker areas of the picture are prone to "smearing." Seeing a friend's budget Insignia LED, my friend's 5 year old Samsung LN55A950 (Possibly the best full array Samsung LED ever), and other TV's, the F8000 has the least "dark tone smear" by far. I came from a 2012 Samsung ES6100 and the smearing was worse and even happened to lighter tones at times.

I found the blur to be especially noticeable playing 60hz games on PC, especially Battlefield 4. Overall though, the F8000 has a faster pixel response time than most TV's. You could try your luck on the new 4K flagship Samsung which is supposed to have more advanced backlight scanning and a "native" 240hz panel. Perhaps the newer 4K flagships are slightly better in terms of motion handling.
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Can't you set the picture size to "Screen Fit" to disable overscan?

I tried it, and it worked, thank you! I was misinformed by reading a thread about overscanning on another forum. Glad there is an easy workaround. I have set HDMI name to Blu-ray now, and almost every option became enabled.
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Hello Sammy owners, I have been trying to help a friend that has the following -Samsung UN 46 F 8000 AHXPA , now I come to find out that he paid very little for this panel however it is from Latin America so it is not working as it should with Netflix. I realize that when its too good to be true it usually is but I think he is stuck with this. I would like to know if there is another hidden menu that will allow this to be set up for North America , specifically The USA so that I can help him get the most out of this, the panel seems to work as it should except for the Netflix app, it suggests that it (netflix) should be added but when I click on it the screen goes black and then reverts back to the TV. I saw it has version 114 firmware installed.
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Can you go through the browser on the tv and go to Netflix.com to get it?

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Hey, just a few quick questions here. I'm thinking about buying this TV but I heard there is flashlighting and edge light bleeding? Is this true? Does it have deep blacks? How good is the picture quality? Thanks!

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Hey, just a few quick questions here. I'm thinking about buying this TV but I heard there is flashlighting and edge light bleeding? Is this true? Does it have deep blacks? How good is the picture quality? Thanks!
Might as well buy the 2014 models out now ........?
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Hey, just a few quick questions here. I'm thinking about buying this TV but I heard there is flashlighting and edge light bleeding? Is this true? Does it have deep blacks? How good is the picture quality? Thanks!

Every edge Lit display will have some issues with flashlighting or clouding or bleeding. It is to what degree they have it is the question. The only way to get around this is by tweaking the set with the various settings but it will only minimize but not eliminate the negatives associated with edge Lit Displays.

To totally get away from this, you either have to buy a full array set with local dimming or go with a plasma set but those have their own negatives. No TV is perfect. You will have to live with certain imperfections.

Also, right now, the F8000 is FY13 model and are getting harder to get since the FY14 models are everywhere now.

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Might as well buy the 2014 models out now ........?

Which 2014 models are you referring to?
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F8000 is a 2013 model now superseded effective May ....maybe you are getting this at a very good price as a selloff ????
If so , still a good set and you can adjust till you virtually do see the torch lighting which is inherent in these panels.


See:http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/all-products
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F8000 is a 2013 model now superseded effective May ....maybe you are getting this at a very good price as a selloff ????
If so , still a good set and you can adjust till you virtually do see the torch lighting which is inherent in these panels.


See:http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/all-products

 

Which 2014 models do you recommend?

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Which 2014 models do you recommend?
No idea .Only one I have seen is a curved UHD 65" ....I am going for a UHD but a flat one ..curved will look a bit dumb mounted I think .
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No idea .Only one I have seen is a curved UHD 65" ....I am going for a UHD but a flat one ..curved will look a bit dumb mounted I think .

Isn't that edge lit though? Aren't you afraid of clouding, flashlighting and edge bleeding?

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Isn't that edge lit though? Aren't you afraid of clouding, flashlighting and edge bleeding?
Appears all panels are edge lit nowadays !
Maybe the Sony UHD current model is backlit ?
BUT - we are just going to live with this unless we all eventually go to OLED in the future
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Appears all panels are edge lit nowadays !
Maybe the Sony UHD current model is backlit ?
BUT - we are just going to live with this unless we all eventually go to OLED in the future

 

Does anyone here actually have an OLED? Has anyone ever actually watched movies on it? Everyone says it's amazing but no one has actually seen it while viewing normal movie content etc.

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Does anyone here actually have an OLED? Has anyone ever actually watched movies on it? Everyone says it's amazing but no one has actually seen it while viewing normal movie content etc.
Nope !
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What's everyones reaction on this TV? Does basically everyone suffer from clouding, edge light bleeding and flashlighting? What are ways to avoid those problems? I have the F8500 right now but it doesn't look as nice as the F8000 and I also can't stand the buzz on the plasma, driving me a little crazy. I'm thinking about exchanging for the F8000, what do you guys think? I heard the F8000 actually has deep blacks for an LED.

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Once you apply the various settings found on this thread, you will greatly minimize the negatives.

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Once you apply the various settings found on this thread, you will greatly minimize the negatives.
How do you avoid flashlighting and edge bleeding and clouding?
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How do you avoid flashlighting and edge bleeding and clouding?

i used a combination of Buzz and DRN94's settings.

Settings are as follows:

movie mode;
backlight 3; (used to be 6 or 7 - later changed to 3. My eyes are sensitive to bright light so I keep this low).
contrast 90;
brightness 45;
sharpness 0;
color 50;
tint 50/50;
screen fit;
dynamic contrast off;
black tone off;
flesh tone 0;
RGB only mode off;
color space native;
10p white balance off;
gamma 0;
warm2;
digital clean view off;
mpeg noise filter off;
hdmi black level low;
film mode off;
auto motion plus clear;
smart led high;
white balance: 23 23 25 16 25 27;
cinema black on;

Red R44, G0, B4;
Green: R15, G53, B0;
Ciena: R10, G50, B51;
Magneta: R43, G7, B43;

(for the above - I am still playing with) smile.gif




Here are some old pictures I pasted on the owners thread.











I haven't taken any recent pictures since my SLR camera is broken and I haven't repaired it yet and the iphone camera is just terrible at taking pictures.

Overall, I am happy with the tv. Only major negative is that some of the reflective coating on the glass came off somehow but outside of that, I am good. smile.gif

Prior to doing the above settings, I had a lot of clouding. It was bad. After the changes, it was much improved.

I still do see some clouding but it is very minimal and only on rare occasions. I can live with it thou since it is not all the time and on very rare occasions. No TV is perfect and this is not 100% perfect but I am happy with it.

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i used a combination of Buzz and DRN94's settings.

Settings are as follows:

movie mode;
backlight 3; (used to be 6 or 7 - later changed to 3. My eyes are sensitive to bright light so I keep this low).
contrast 90;
brightness 45;
sharpness 0;
color 50;
tint 50/50;
screen fit;
dynamic contrast off;
black tone off;
flesh tone 0;
RGB only mode off;
color space native;
10p white balance off;
gamma 0;
warm2;
digital clean view off;
mpeg noise filter off;
hdmi black level low;
film mode off;
auto motion plus clear;
smart led high;
white balance: 23 23 25 16 25 27;
cinema black on;

Red R44, G0, B4;
Green: R15, G53, B0;
Ciena: R10, G50, B51;
Magneta: R43, G7, B43;

(for the above - I am still playing with) smile.gif




Here are some old pictures I pasted on the owners thread.











I haven't taken any recent pictures since my SLR camera is broken and I haven't repaired it yet and the iphone camera is just terrible at taking pictures.

Overall, I am happy with the tv. Only major negative is that some of the reflective coating on the glass came off somehow but outside of that, I am good. smile.gif

Prior to doing the above settings, I had a lot of clouding. It was bad. After the changes, it was much improved.

I still do see some clouding but it is very minimal and only on rare occasions. I can live with it thou since it is not all the time and on very rare occasions. No TV is perfect and this is not 100% perfect but I am happy with it.

I would think that having your backlight at 3 would be VERY dim, no?

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What do you think I should do? F8000 or F8500? F8500 has buzzing but looks like the F8000 can possibly have those other problems.

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I would think that having your backlight at 3 would be VERY dim, no?

To be honest, at least for me, it is not. My eyes are very sensitive to brightness so for me 3, 4, 5, 6 are acceptable.

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To be honest, at least for me, it is not. My eyes are very sensitive to brightness so for me 3, 4, 5, 6 are acceptable.

You don't have any flashlighting or edge bleeding?

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You don't have any flashlighting or edge bleeding?

no. I only had clouding issues.

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