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So, did it have the same micro dimming features as the ES9000? I seem to recall a reviewer on Amazon who stated it did not, but I could be mistaken.

Cmay is correct. It was originally the 75" ES8000. I saw it in person since I was at the 2012 CES show. I regret not going this year. I really thought most of what will be there will be the same OLED from last years, which it was, but I would have loved to see these sleek new 8000 models..as far as the same dimming goes, it has the same "ultimate" as the ES8000 but "SUPPOSEDLY" its not the same because the 9000 has the "Smart LED" and "Cinema black" settings that the 8000 doesn't have. But, last years 2011 D8000 had these same features for way less than $10K, so the 75" at $10K is a complete rip off
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Here's a few pics of the new F8500

http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/avf-Aktuell-TV-Samsung-F8500-LED-Smart-Design-8100932.html
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So, it looks like the F7000/F7500 is getting the Rosé gold bezel. You can kind of tell from this bottom picture in color

http://www.avcesar.com/actu/id-10775/tv-led-samsung-f7000-quatre-modeles-annonces.html

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Cmay is correct. It was originally the 75" ES8000. I saw it in person since I was at the 2012 CES show. I regret not going this year. I really thought most of what will be there will be the same OLED from last years, which it was, but I would have loved to see these sleek new 8000 models..as far as the same dimming goes, it has the same "ultimate" as the ES8000 but "SUPPOSEDLY" its not the same because the 9000 has the "Smart LED" and "Cinema black" settings that the 8000 doesn't have. But, last years 2011 D8000 had these same features for way less than $10K, so the 75" at $10K is a complete rip off

I guess it's a moot point, since the ES75 8000 is no longer available.

I'm sure the new F series will be sky high too, though I'd love to be proven wrong.

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This video just got sent to me..

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The 75" ES8000 was never available. It was supposed to be, but Samsung decided last min to turn it into a 75" ES9000 right after CES. Just like they just changed the F8000 to a F8500.

I heard that the reason for them doing all this, is because when they are showing these off at CES, the vendors and retail stores always complain that there's no high end model that cost a ridiculous price for the 1% of the population and most of the TVs are for the 99% population so then Samsung goes back to the drawing board and makes a higher end unit so these vendors and retail stores can made more profit since they don't make any money off models like the ES8000 and so fourth. These models are only really sold to celebrities and sports players and really wealthy people.

This is why I never buy them, because its like for instance a Toyota Camry/Avalon and a Lexus ES300/... They usually have the same engine. Or take the Acura for example, its really just a nicer higher end Honda. So your paying for the name really. Well, in the TV world, your paying for that higher # of that model. For example, take the ES8000 and the ES9000, in my eyes, the 8000 is very close to the 9000. Just a little, tiny bit higher end which is why they added the rose gold frame and the pop up camera and is really catered to the wealthy folks. But really all your paying for is that # being a 9 rather a 8. and also the 75" size difference, but thats really all. does the extra 10" mean its worth the extra $7K? or does it mean having that "Smart LED" and "Cinema Black" setting along with only 10" more worth the extra $7K? no way! I wish more people looked at things more this way, because they can save a ton of money when they buy things.
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Off topic but this seems like its going to be cool. Especially for all of us tech geeks..

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57567918-93/amazon-patents-way-for-you-to-sell-your-digital-items/
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Ok yeah, that is a bad@ss tv. I really hope the f8500 plasma doesn't buzz lol.
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The 75" ES8000 was never available. It was supposed to be, but Samsung decided last min to turn it into a 75" ES9000 right after CES. Just like they just changed the F8000 to a F8500.

I heard that the reason for them doing all this, is because when they are showing these off at CES, the vendors and retail stores always complain that there's no high end model that cost a ridiculous price for the 1% of the population and most of the TVs are for the 99% population so then Samsung goes back to the drawing board and makes a higher end unit so these vendors and retail stores can made more profit since they don't make any money off models like the ES8000 and so fourth. These models are only really sold to celebrities and sports players and really wealthy people.

This is why I never buy them, because its like for instance a Toyota Camry/Avalon and a Lexus ES300/... They usually have the same engine. Or take the Acura for example, its really just a nicer higher end Honda. So your paying for the name really. Well, in the TV world, your paying for that higher # of that model. For example, take the ES8000 and the ES9000, in my eyes, the 8000 is very close to the 9000. Just a little, tiny bit higher end which is why they added the rose gold frame and the pop up camera and is really catered to the wealthy folks. But really all your paying for is that # being a 9 rather a 8. and also the 75" size difference, but thats really all. does the extra 10" mean its worth the extra $7K? or does it mean having that "Smart LED" and "Cinema Black" setting along with only 10" more worth the extra $7K? no way! I wish more people looked at things more this way, because they can save a ton of money when they buy things.


The only two things I care about are PQ and size. Not interested in anything smaller than 70" --not even a little. If one set has better blacks and color, that's the one I want. If it costs more , so be it. If it costs too much more, I'll wait. I wish more people saw it this way, there's be more of a market for quality over price, sets would improve, and prices would go down. That's how free markets work, and that's how they're supposed to work. I just don't see compromising quality to save money. You get what you pay for. And since this thread started as one about the F8000, that's the one I'm interested in. wink.gif

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Bah, Cnet got it wrong?

I should be clear on something. Samsung has, for several years, claimed you can do local dimming with edge lighting. You cannot. You can do some very crude zoning at 2 times the number of LEDs you have maximum.

And when I say, "you cannot", I mean, "you cannot", It's not possible. It's not like they have some technology that changes physics. You get a maximum zone control of rectangular zones that go halfway across the screen and are in no greater number than the number of discrete LEDs you can control.

They can continue to hype this as something more -- they do it every year quite frankly -- but if it's again "edge lit precision microdimming" it's no revolution and I've wasted everyone's time getting excited based on Cnet's report.

Exactly.

Microdimming is not Local Dimming, they try to confuse people into thinking those two technologies are the same. Local Dimming is the real deal, and can only be used with Full Array LCD LED tvs.

I would never buy a tv that don't use Local Dimming.
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They can continue to hype this as something more -- they do it every year quite frankly -- but if it's again "edge lit precision microdimming" it's no revolution and I've wasted everyone's time getting excited based on Cnet's report.
Year after year of mediocrity.
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...So your paying for the name really..

IMO exactly what you're paying for when you buy a Samsung TV anyway. For the past few years they've been banking on their name and the fact that they know that people will buy whatever they slap 'Samsung" on I haven't seen any real innovation in their LED line since they stopped trying to compete with local dimming and telling us their garbage version of it was just as good as the real thing.

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I ,like so many of the members of this forum value informed opinions but totally ignore the uninformed biased agenda of some posters. Saying that , I am anticipating the first knowledgeable review of the 65F8000 as to banding and uniformity of the display. I am hoping a 65F8000 panel will put an end to the Samsung Panel lottery. So lets hope we can purchase a quality product with both size and FACE MELTING PQ.
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I ,like so many of the members of this forum value informed opinions but totally ignore the uninformed biased agenda of some posters. Saying that , I am anticipating the first knowledgeable review of the 65F8000 as to banding and uniformity of the display. I am hoping a 65F8000 panel will put an end to the Samsung Panel lottery. So lets hope we can purchase a quality product with both size and FACE MELTING PQ.

I AGREE WITH THIS POSTER 100%
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Honestly, the reason I started looking at Samsung was the fact that their displays are by far the sexiest that I have seen. I am really attracted to the almost non-existent bezels and the sleek and attractive stands on their sets. I know it sounds shallow, but I just really appreciate the element of design that they strive for. I agree that PQ is extremely important as well, but I am almost willing to sacrifice a bit on that for something that looks great in the room, even when turned off.

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IMO exactly what you're paying for when you buy a Samsung TV anyway. For the past few years they've been banking on their name and the fact that they know that people will buy whatever they slap 'Samsung" on I haven't seen any real innovation in their LED line since they stopped trying to compete with local dimming and telling us their garbage version of it was just as good as the real thing.

I agree. My es7100 supposedly has microdimming but has CE dimming. Makes no sense. Its garbage compared to sony's local dimming. My es7100 is going back indefinitely. I wont buy a Samsung again until they have true local dimming. Hopefully they will go full array again but doubtful.
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Yep, the F8000...gorgeous but...grab the es8000 now and run the 1046.2 FW and you will have what I describe as " an Elite on 8000 skin "....

really? what does the fw do? does it fix the banding problem and/or improve blacks?

i'm really curious because the prices have dropped to pretty reasonable levels.
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I think this thread title should be updated. Samsung have officially stated that this is an LED edge lit Smart TV.

In the video embed on HDTV News the Samsung guy says right at the start that it's edge lit. http://www.hdtv-news.com/samsung/f8000/

And yes, wow that F8500 looks amazing! Too bad they're going to confuse people with the same model name for the LED and Plasma!
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I believe that they have stated repeatedly that the thread title cannot be changed.

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Robert Zohn just posted...

More updates coming today at our dedicated Samsung PDP and LCD/LED sites. Check in for the updates that will be posted later today.


I am looking forward to more info.

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Here is something new

A comparison chart for Samsung's 2013 LED/LCD TV's

http://un65f8000.com/uploads/Samsug_2013_LED_Product_Guide.pdf




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I believe that they have stated repeatedly that the thread title cannot be changed.

Those of us who post threads cannot edit thread titles. People can keep asking me, but it's not going to change a thing.
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I ,like so many of the members of this forum value informed opinions but totally ignore the uninformed biased agenda of some posters. Saying that , I am anticipating the first knowledgeable review of the 65F8000 as to banding and uniformity of the display. I am hoping a 65F8000 panel will put an end to the Samsung Panel lottery. So lets hope we can purchase a quality product with both size and FACE MELTING PQ.

I have one agenda: Great picture quality. (Oh, and trying to get at the truth). I'm sorry if that bugs people.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I think this thread title should be updated. Samsung have officially stated that this is an LED edge lit Smart TV.

In the video embed on HDTV News the Samsung guy says right at the start that it's edge lit. http://www.hdtv-news.com/samsung/f8000/

And yes, wow that F8500 looks amazing! Too bad they're going to confuse people with the same model name for the LED and Plasma!

They won't confuse anyone, I'm actually glad its the same model letter and number instead of throwing in a random S. Plasma will be PN##F8500 while the LED wil be UN##F8500. Gorgeous tv's for sure.
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Robert Zohn just posted...

More updates coming today at our dedicated Samsung PDP and LCD/LED sites. Check in for the updates that will be posted later today.


I am looking forward to more info.

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Is anyone else worried that the spring loaded camera mechanism will break? Also is there any benefit to having the back of the TV finished. As far as I know, most people have their TV's situated where you will never see the back.
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A comparison chart for Samsung's 2013 LED/LCD TV's

http://un65f8000.com/uploads/Samsug_2013_LED_Product_Guide.pdf




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Anthony posted that a week or two ago. They have the same for Plasma. Just replace LED with PDP.
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Anthony posted that a week or two ago. They have the same for Plasma. Just replace LED with PDP.

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I have one agenda: Great picture quality. (Oh, and trying to get at the truth). I'm sorry if that bugs people.

Rogo, your agenda is right on, I am of the same mind. The truth will set us free.
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I have one agenda: Great picture quality. (Oh, and trying to get at the truth). I'm sorry if that bugs people.

Rogo, your agenda is right on, I am of the same mind. The truth will set us free.
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LOL don't report my post! 1) I didn't request the change and 2) I am already under a warning here.

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LOL don't report my post! 1) I didn't request the change and 2) I am already under a warning here.

It can be any post but should be from this thread as it brings attention to the proper place. I've done the same thing myself to get the ChromaPure thread title changed with no problems.

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