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Hi, I've just seen from the samsung's korean official page ( F8000 ) there's a new black crystal panel instead of the clear image panel confused.gif, I don't know whether or not It might also help get rid of clouding or improve the picture quality ???. Nobody talked to us about that new panel at CES. See u. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.samsung.com%2Fsec%2Fconsumer%2Ftv-video%2Ftv%2Fsmart-tv%2FUN55F8000AF-features

Good catch--I'll be interested to hear more....

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Hi Guys,
on the Currys webpage there is some detailed description of the F8000. I am especially interested in the PVR / Dual Tuner section:
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/samsung-ue55f8000-full-hd-55-led-3d-tv-21277181-pdt.html
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Two tuners give you more choice
Using twin tuners – one Freeview HD, one Freesat HD – the 55” Samsung UE55-F8000 LED TV lets you watch one program on the TV and another on a tablet - or record onto a USB stick or hard drive using the second tuner. This highly useful development eliminates the need for a PVR - all you need is a hard drive.

Does it mean, we will have actually 4 tuners inside F8000 ( DVB-T2 Freeview HD, DVB-S2 Freesat HD ) ?
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If one does not care one iota about a Smart TV and all that is wanted is PQ and it seems to me the difference between the 8000 vs the 7100 is for the Smart portion of the F8000, DO YOU THINK THE PQ WILL VERTICALLY THE SAME ON BOTH MODELS? Therefore, making the F7100 the better buy OR do you think there are slight differences not on the chart that will make the F8000 series the better buy if PQ is the goal?

I don't see any scenario in the universe where they have some secret picture-quality feature they are leaving off a comparison chart. Do you really see that? As for the listed features, I suspect they indicate that the two models will have essentially identical picture quality.
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From what I've read, it appears to be an improved method for dimming the edges of the screen. In theory, you should reap the benefits of this when watching letterboxed movies.

Um, Samsung markets their different dimming methods extensively, but they don't do much anyway. I doubt you'll be reaping many benefits that weren't already present before. Micro Dimming is Micro Dimming is Micro Dimming.
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Hopefully that means no light-leakage, e.g. Flashlighting. I'm not holding my breath though. Samsung sets are plagued with uniformity issues and can't imagine this one being any different.

Flashlighting is a manufacturing issue. It cannot be improved by technological change, it can only be improved by building the sets better.
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Hi, I've just seen from the samsung's korean official page ( F8000 ) there's a new black crystal panel instead of the clear image panel confused.gif, I don't know whether or not It might also help get rid of clouding or improve the picture quality ???. Nobody talked to us about that new panel at CES. See u. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.samsung.com%2Fsec%2Fconsumer%2Ftv-video%2Ftv%2Fsmart-tv%2FUN55F8000AF-features

Clouding is a manufacturing issue. It cannot be improved by technology but only by building the sets better.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Hi Guys,
on the Currys webpage there is some detailed description of the F8000. I am especially interested in the PVR / Dual Tuner section:
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/samsung-ue55f8000-full-hd-55-led-3d-tv-21277181-pdt.html
Does it mean, we will have actually 4 tuners inside F8000 ( DVB-T2 Freeview HD, DVB-S2 Freesat HD ) ?

I'm really curious about the built in dvr capabilities. Do these come in the us units? So plug in an external USB hd, let the tv record ota programming, and then ditch cable and my TiVo. It would have to work pretty well though.

Anyone know if these sets do widi as well?
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^^^That's already a fairly common feature on high end European models. I think there are legal (copyright) problems preventing this feature from being included in US sets (would be cool, though).

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So over on the ES8000 thread, it was posted that the F8000 will be using the same panels as the ES8000s did in their respective sizes. If this is indeed the case, looks like the 65F8000 will still be a banding monster, just one with better blacks and a spiffier UI. mad.gif
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I would think that the banding issues area problem with the build of the tv, not so much the panel used.The panel only effect picture clarity and viewing angle as well as color reproduction.
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So over on the ES8000 thread, it was posted that the F8000 will be using the same panels as the ES8000s did in their respective sizes. If this is indeed the case, looks like the 65F8000 will still be a banding monster, just one with better blacks and a spiffier UI. mad.gif

I've found the older SQ01 Panel seems to be the best in terms of overall PQ. Why doesn't Samsung not use that panel anymore in their high-end sets?
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I've found the older SQ01 Panel seems to be the best in terms of overall PQ. Why doesn't Samsung not use that panel anymore in their high-end sets?

If I had to guess, I'd say whatever panel they use now costs them less.
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I would think that the banding issues area problem with the build of the tv, not so much the panel used.The panel only effect picture clarity and viewing angle as well as color reproduction.

It plays a role in it I think in regards to how severe the banding is.... but with the 65HX929, it had horrible banding similar but not as bad as the 65ES8000. Sony acknowledged the issue and said they couldn't correct it with the HX929 and blamed it on the samsung made panel. They said they were using a different manufacturer's panel for the 65HX950 and it definitely has minimal banding compared to both the 65HX929 and 65HX950. Now, it still has minor banding as most 65+ LEDs have... but to be honest, I don't think anyone knows exactly why vertical banding occurs on the larger models. I've read and heard many explanations which all sound reasonable to me so I guess the mystery will continue.
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If I had to guess, I'd say whatever panel they use now costs them less.

Wouldn't put it past them. I think Samsung thinks that by increasing the bells and whistles, it will distract the everyday purchaser from realizing how crappy their products are in regards to manufacturing quality control. For all we know, they could have decided it was already too expensive to pay the factory workers below minimum wage in their Tijuana plant and are now using monkeys chasing bananas like the penguins from Madagascar 3 were doing. biggrin.gif
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Just ordered a 55" es8000 from amazon for $1854.53. Too good a deal to pass up(with a free 7" Galaxy Tab2). So much for an f8000. Can't wait any longer for a tv. frown.gif
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I hate to bring everyone down but Samsung hasn't really made a QUALITY LED in a while and I can't imagine the F8000 will be any different. It might be better in Samsung's Eyes but I doubt it's any different from the ES8000 in terms of PQ, which is nice. I'm crossing my fingers but Samsung and Quality-Oxymoron.
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Just ordered a 55" es8000 from amazon for $1854.53. Too good a deal to pass up(with a free 7" Galaxy Tab2). So much for an f8000. Can't wait any longer for a tv. frown.gif

It's a win win. The new sets may be out prior to your 30 day exchange window so you could always switch if the F8000 lives up to the hype and/or you are disappointed with the ES8000. Plus the 55 doesn't suffer from the excessive 3D crosstalk like the 60 does.
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I hate to bring everyone down but Samsung hasn't really made a QUALITY LED in a while and I can't imagine the F8000 will be any different. It might be better in Samsung's Eyes but I doubt it's any different from the ES8000 in terms of PQ, which is nice. I'm crossing my fingers but Samsung and Quality-Oxymoron.

You mean taking away a key feature then adding it back in the following year isn't an improvement enough? eek.gif Let's not forget the new UI so at least this year, when you talk and waive to your set, it may actually work!
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It sounds great in theory but come on, the ES Series is gimmicky even if the motion/voice recognition had woked properly. There's nothing wrong with an old fashioned remote IMO. That's the problem with tvs now, they try too hard to fill it up with useles features instead of actually making a quality set. I hope the F8000 is as great as Samsung and everyone else says it is but I'm not going to count on it being any different than previous models that were said to be the "BEST" and turn out to be a polished turd in disguise.
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There have been several comments in here that are negative toward Samsung or toward their past several lines of televisions. I am just curious what is the reason for these individuals coming into this thread and posting these replies. I thought that this thread was to follow news about the new televisions announced at CES and was meant more for people who wanted or owned a Samsung television and were curious about what these new models would offer.

I realize that this is an open forum and everyone is free to post whatever they please, but I am just wondering what purpose some of you have? Is it just to come in here and discourage others from buying the product?

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It sounds great in theory but come on, the ES Series is gimmicky even if the motion/voice recognition had woked properly. There's nothing wrong with an old fashioned remote IMO. That's the problem with tvs now, they try too hard to fill it up with useles features instead of actually making a quality set. I hope the F8000 is as great as Samsung and everyone else says it is but I'm not going to count on it being any different than previous models that were said to be the "BEST" and turn out to be a polished turd in disguise.

Justin, you know I was kidding right?
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There have been several comments in here that are negative toward Samsung or toward their past several lines of televisions. I am just curious what is the reason for these individuals coming into this thread and posting these replies. I thought that this thread was to follow news about the new televisions announced at CES and was meant more for people who wanted or owned a Samsung television and were curious about what these new models would offer.

I realize that this is an open forum and everyone is free to post whatever they please, but I am just wondering what purpose some of you have? Is it just to come in here and discourage others from buying the product?

I've had both the 60ES8000 and 65ES8000. Plus, can't you tell we are just having some fun at the expense of Samsungs notoriously bad quality control. Obviously we are all waiting to see if they have corrected some issues from 2012. But seriously, out of seven ES8000s, I had 5 with dead pixels and or severe banding and 2 with 3D dead on arrival.

And Yes... If they correct the issues, I will be more than willing to buy a 65F8000 for my master bedroom as it currently has a seven year old Sony 55 LCD wega.
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There have been several comments in here that are negative toward Samsung or toward their past several lines of televisions. I am just curious what is the reason for these individuals coming into this thread and posting these replies. I thought that this thread was to follow news about the new televisions announced at CES and was meant more for people who wanted or owned a Samsung television and were curious about what these new models would offer.

I realize that this is an open forum and everyone is free to post whatever they please, but I am just wondering what purpose some of you have? Is it just to come in here and discourage others from buying the product?
What do you suggest, praise them for what they do right & ignore the bad. I think most here want to hear the good & bad to make a good decision when buying, so yes, I want to hear both sides.
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Justin, you know I was kidding right?

Yea, it's cool.
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I've had both the 60ES8000 and 65ES8000. Plus, can't you tell we are just having some fun at the expense of Samsungs notoriously bad quality control. Obviously we are all waiting to see if they have corrected some issues from 2012. But seriously, out of seven ES8000s, I had 5 with dead pixels and or severe banding and 2 with 3D dead on arrival.

And Yes... If they correct the issues, I will be more than willing to buy a 65F8000 for my master bedroom as it currently has a seven year old Sony 55 LCD wega.

Lol, I wasn't referring to you specifically. I have just seen several comments on here that are being made by people that seem to have never owned a Samsung or not one of the recent ones and several comments recommending other brands, etc...

I just kept thinking "why did you come into this thread then" lol.

I have not looked at a ton of models of televisions, nor have I done extensive research, but I am drawn to Samsung because of how bright their pictures are and the thin bezels and sleek stands, etc. I like the look they are going for and feel the television should also look nice when turned off. I was wanting to buy one of the current models, but then got scared off based on the numerous complaints and issues.

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What do you suggest, praise them for what they do right & ignore the bad. I think most here want to hear the good & bad to make a good decision when buying, so yes, I want to hear both sides.

You are missing my point entirely. If people want to talk pros and cons about the F8000 series, then by all means please do. If they want to compare to the ES series, then even better.

What is not helpful is people that come in here and talk about how crappy Samsung televisions are and have been. Or when people come in here and recommend other brands over Samsung.

I am interested in hearing info about the F8000 series good and bad and how it compares to the current generation of products. It seems others in here do not have that same desire.
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So over on the ES8000 thread, it was posted that the F8000 will be using the same panels as the ES8000s did in their respective sizes. If this is indeed the case, looks like the 65F8000 will still be a banding monster, just one with better blacks and a spiffier UI. mad.gif

I doubt that is the case.

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What is not helpful is people that come in here and talk about how crappy Samsung televisions are and have been. Or when people come in here and recommend other brands over Samsung.

You bring up an interesting point. I've often wondered if companies hire people to go into these forums and disparage their competitor's products.
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You bring up an interesting point. I've often wondered if companies hire people to go into these forums and disparage their competitor's products.

Lol well we already know they pay people for fake reviews...

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So over on the ES8000 thread, it was posted that the F8000 will be using the same panels as the ES8000s did in their respective sizes. If this is indeed the case, looks like the 65F8000 will still be a banding monster, just one with better blacks and a spiffier UI. mad.gif

I emailed Robert Zohn over at Value Electronics (seems to be pretty well trusted here) and he said that the F8000 will use a different panel than the ES8000 for 2013.

I'd be disappointed if they stuck with the same panels because there will be ZERO difference in picture quality and uniformity.

Zohn seems to think that from what he has seen that the F8000 is a marked improvement in these areas above that of the UNES8000.

Time will tell.

(PS - where is the link to that comment Cmay?)
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I emailed Robert Zohn over at Value Electronics (seems to be pretty well trusted here) and he said that the F8000 will use a different panel than the ES8000 for 2013.

What about the 75" F8000? Will it use a different panel than the ES9000?
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I emailed Robert Zohn over at Value Electronics (seems to be pretty well trusted here) and he said that the F8000 will use a different panel than the ES8000 for 2013.

I'd be disappointed if they stuck with the same panels because there will be ZERO difference in picture quality and uniformity.

Zohn seems to think that from what he has seen that the F8000 is a marked improvement in these areas above that of the UNES8000.

Time will tell.

(PS - where is the link to that comment Cmay?)

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FWIW, from a reliable poster on the UK site:

"Ok guys, some official info for the more curious among you.

1) The final release version of EK will be a few cm thick and is designed to fit with wall mounted setups.
What was shown at CES was an engineering prototype.

2) The new "F" series will use the same LCD panels as the current "E" series.

3) An ES8000 + EK = F8000.

4) There's a big screen OLED in the works coming after the F series"

If this is true, that it is the same exact panel, sounds like cinema black is coming back smile.gif
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3) An ES8000 + EK = F8000.

What is "EK"?

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