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Models were on display at CES.
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Models were on display at CES.

...although those are near final, they are still prototypes; thus the few month delay in consumer availability.

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Yeah I hope Samsung's final models are as good as their CES prototypes. You'd think the final models would be better than the prototypes. I also hope their quality control improves. I don't expect every Samsung to be perfect, but it would be nice if they raised the QC for their flagship models.

On another note, the TV seems to be out in Korea. It would be nice to see a few reviews for the Korean version that we can translate.
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...although those are near final, they are still prototypes; thus the few month delay in consumer availability.

In discussing this with Robert from VE, he indicated to me that in private meetings that he and a few other VIPs had with Samsung engineers, they mentioned that they were in what they called "Beta production" with all of the CES displays and that they were much ahead of the prototype stage. This is demonstrated by the fact they these units will be released months ahead of the new Panasonics, with first availability mid-March.

As I said before, I trust the word of some people more than others and Robert is one of those that I've come to trust over the years.
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What? Dead pixels on a Samsung... that never happens! eek.gif

How about a whole row of them! wink.gif


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This is the same conversation people were having when the D8000s were about to be released and the same conversation people were having when the ES8000s were about to be released. Unless Samsung did a complete 180, the F8000s will have the same quality control issues as every other Samsung model before this. The F8000 will no doubt be a great television, but the number of duds that are shipped out of their Tijuana facility will no doubt be exactly the same. I guarantee you that those betas models were not assembled on the same assembly line in Tijuana that is responsible for such terrible quality control over the past couple of years. When the 60 and 65 hit the market which are the two assembled in Tijuana, we will see if quality control is better or if they continue to focus on just getting as many out the door as quickly as possible.

I'm all for people being optimistic, but the F8000 thread will read no different than the D8000 and ES8000 threads... a great tv if you are lucky to get one with no dead pixels, uniformity and/or banding. I find it amusing how people hang on every word that the people from VE say when in reality they have no ideas how actual production units will look either.
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There's a difference between 'hanging on to every word' and simply trusting someone that's earned that trust over many years.

BTW, where did I mention or even quote anyone regarding QC?
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This is the same conversation people were having when the D8000s were about to be released and the same conversation people were having when the ES8000s were about to be released. Unless Samsung did a complete 180, the F8000s will have the same quality control issues as every other Samsung model before this. The F8000 will no doubt be a great television, but the number of duds that are shipped out of their Tijuana facility will no doubt be exactly the same. I guarantee you that those betas models were not assembled on the same assembly line in Tijuana that is responsible for such terrible quality control over the past couple of years. When the 60 and 65 hit the market which are the two assembled in Tijuana, we will see if quality control is better or if they continue to focus on just getting as many out the door as quickly as possible.

I'm all for people being optimistic, but the F8000 thread will read no different than the D8000 and ES8000 threads... a great tv if you are lucky to get one with no dead pixels, uniformity and/or banding. I find it amusing how people hang on every word that the people from VE say when in reality they have no ideas how actual production units will look either.

I don't know much about Samsung's factory's but it sounds like your saying the Tijuana plant only makes 60 and 65s. I plan on getting a 55. Have people had less problems with the 55" LEDs?

As I said before, I don't expect every Samsung TV to be great. However, I don't understand why they can't step up the QC for their flagship models.
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I've been following the ZT60 and F8500 and read all I can find. The truth is that all well respected reviewers are speaking very highly of Samsung's and Panasonic's flagship models this year. I live in White Plains, NY and have visited VE's store several times. It's a very nice operation and the owner and staff are all very interested in a/v as a hobby. I plan on attending the Shootout.

And in regard to Samsung's being assembled in Tijuana Mexico I must assume you don't know that Panasonic manufacturers all North American displays in Tijuana Mexico.
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There's a difference between 'hanging on to every word' and simply trusting someone that's earned that trust over many years.

BTW, where did I mention or even quote anyone regarding QC?

I'm referring to the numerous posts by a few people in regards to commfnts made by VE. I forgot who posted it earlier, but someone said that the F8000s uniformity issues have been greatly improved or corrected based off of what VE said they saw on the betas or prototypes, which is impossible to tell since many uniformity issues are a result of poor manufacturing, thus how would they know until they receive their first actual shipments and open them up.
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I don't know much about Samsung's factory's but it sounds like your saying the Tijuana plant only makes 60 and 65s. I plan on getting a 55. Have people had less problems with the 55" LEDs?

As I said before, I don't expect every Samsung TV to be great. However, I don't understand why they can't step up the QC for their flagship models.

If you follow the ES8000 thread, the 55 has significantly less issues than the larger models. You should be ok if that is the size you are targeting. Not sure which facility 46 and 55 are made but I would guess they are both in a different one. Maybe someone withs 55ES8000 can post the facility designation. For instance HS01, HS02, MH01 and MH02 are all designations for the Tijusna facility.
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I've been following the ZT60 and F8500 and read all I can find. The truth is that all well respected reviewers are speaking very highly of Samsung's and Panasonic's flagship models this year. I live in White Plains, NY and have visited VE's store several times. It's a very nice operation and the owner and staff are all very interested in a/v as a hobby. I plan on attending the Shootout.

And in regard to Samsung's being assembled in Tijuana Mexico I must assume you don't know that Panasonic manufacturers all North American displays in Tijuana Mexico.

Panasonic has their own facilities there, so how is that relevant to the poor quality control of Samsungs Tijuana facilities. What is your point?
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cmay91472 It appeared that you were referencing to Tijuana. I just wanted to be sure you and others know that Tijuana is a common location for several major CE brands to have the final assembly of TVs.

I just checked VE's site which has a clear disclaimer about the screen uniformity and lack of flashlighting to be on the CES displays and that he hoped production would turn out as well. BTW, I have also read the same statements on Flatpanel's Europe site.
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cmay91472 It appeared that you were referencing to Tijuana. I just wanted to be sure you and others know that Tijuana is a common location for several major CE brands to have the final assembly of TVs.

I just checked VE's site which has a clear disclaimer about the screen uniformity and lack of flashlighting to be on the CES displays and that he hoped production would turn out as well. BTW, I have also read the same statements on Flatpanel's Europe site.

Schnura, I'm glad you pointed that out. That is my point. People take quotes or references from VE and take it as gospel sometimes, when in fact you mentioned they have a disclaimer saying they were referring to the betas.

All I'm trying to say is as many others have pointed out like eagle2 is that we have to wait another few weeks to find out..., which brings us full circle to my original post of every year we hear the same things from CES, and thus far actual production units for D8000 and ES8000 were riddled with uniformity issues many as a result of poor quality control.
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Exactly. And whether beta or production, fact is that ANYTHING shown by a mfr at CES or the like is a very carefully hand selected set.

You know how some people wind up returning 2, 3, 4 sets before they get one whose clouding, flashlightng, banding, whatever is acceptable (and I'm not just talking about Samsung here)? Well that's what the mfrs do for the CES sets, except they don't have to ship them back and forth like we do smile.gif

I truly hope Samsung has gotten stricter about QC and/or changed processes, But we won't know until the owners thread is or isn't filled with bitching smile.gif

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If you follow the ES8000 thread, the 55 has significantly less issues than the larger models. You should be ok if that is the size you are targeting. Not sure which facility 46 and 55 are made but I would guess they are both in a different one. Maybe someone withs 55ES8000 can post the facility designation. For instance HS01, HS02, MH01 and MH02 are all designations for the Tijusna facility.

I owned the 46" ES7500 for the better part of a year, and it had horrible uniformity issues. After 8 months I finally got Samsung to refund the cost of the tv after a technician attempted several repairs and then admitted that the tv was unacceptable. The tech swapped out the panel among other parts, and the replacement panel had the same issues. Samsung's quality control is very spotty, and that goes for all panel sizes. That's why I won't believe anything about improved uniformity until I start hearing comments from actual owners and review sites.

This was a 46". We had previously tried several 46" D series LED models the year before and they were no better. So there's absolutely no guarantee that the smaller models will be any better than the larger ones. I saw nothing to suggest that smaller sizes are any better.
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Just to confirm the prices we saw at hdguru.com : http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1362380114 . If precision black is the same as the ES9000 we'll see,suffer or have the same issues as the D8000-ES8000 ( get ready eek.gif) : http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2000047 ( check the review from Dj Pepelicious ) http://s6.beta.photobucket.com/user/pepe-le-pew/media/7CC1E3AC-6631-4B7C-AF48-F4B642430169-3459-000001B85431C9ED.jpg.html ( clouding pic ). My hopes were in the new crystal black panel, but nobody talks about that ...
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Every year people hope for clouding and flashlighting to be fixed. Its kind of like waiting to be rescued from the titanic... It never comes... Minimal flashlighting is almost tolerable in most situations but what really needs work is viewing angle. Perhaps most people watch their tv only face on in these threads but most dont always get that luxury. Viewing angle on samsungs tvs has gotten even worse year by year! The es7100 had much less of a viewing angle than my d6000
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I owned the 46" ES7500 for the better part of a year, and it had horrible uniformity issues. After 8 months I finally got Samsung to refund the cost of the tv after a technician attempted several repairs and then admitted that the tv was unacceptable. The tech swapped out the panel among other parts, and the replacement panel had the same issues. Samsung's quality control is very spotty, and that goes for all panel sizes. That's why I won't believe anything about improved uniformity until I start hearing comments from actual owners and review sites.

This was a 46". We had previously tried several 46" D series LED models the year before and they were no better. So there's absolutely no guarantee that the smaller models will be any better than the larger ones. I saw nothing to suggest that smaller sizes are any better.

Never realized the problems you had we're the 46. Wow, guess that shows that ALL Samsungs are subject to spotty quality control. Could be worse, at least LED Samsung owners aren't subject to the spontaneous internal screen cracks that the Samsung plasmas are known for... only to be then told its not covered under warranty as they try up claim the owner cracked the set. eek.gif
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Think this thread title is misleading and that this tv doesn't have full array

There have been numerous comments on this. Only mods can change thread titles. I just flagged the post and asked a mod to change the title to "Samsung F8000 Series LED Sets" since this keeps coming up.

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Just make click to the red flag ( report. It's on the left-hand ,on the bottom ... ) and ask the moderator to change the tittle of this Thread ( but only the creator of It has to do It. Ask him ). See U.
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Just make click to the red flag ( report. It's on the left-hand ,on the bottom ... ) and ask the moderator to change the tittle of this Thread ( but only the creator of It has to do It. Ask him ). See U.

That is exactly what I did, but I am not the thread creator. Hopefully rogo will see this and do it then.

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Mark (rogo) should approve the request to change thread title as OP

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Not positive, but I think he posted he tried when the same discussion was held a few weeks ago. Again, might have been someone else posting though.
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Not positive, but I think he posted he tried when the same discussion was held a few weeks ago. Again, might have been someone else posting though.

I think he just said that he wasn't able to change the title himself. I don't think he tried asking a mod to do it.

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Thanks for the link. Honestly, not that these are cheap by any means, but I think the pricing is reasonable - I wouldn't say they are overpriced. Well, they all are really, but this is right around where I was expecting to see them, so this is good news.

And yeah, I'd love to know what's up with this mysterious " crystal black panel" I hear mentioned.

No pricing on the 75"
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No pricing on the 75"

No official pricing yet. Judging by the $1000 jump between the 55" and the 65", I think it's fair to assume that the 75" could go for around $4700. I can't see Samsung pricing it above $5000.

On the other hand, Samsung could do what they did with the ES8000 and cancel the 75" altogether. Then they could make a 75" F9000 and charge an astronomical price for it.
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No official pricing yet. Judging by the $1000 jump between the 55" and the 65", I think it's fair to assume that the 75" could go for around $4700. I can't see Samsung pricing it above $5000.

You can honestly say that with a straight face?
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It seems there will be a 75 " Led , but It would be the continuation (following) of the ES9000 ( 75 ") ( Nobody Knows. Maybe It comes whith an improve version of the precision black ( pro ???? ). I've just asked Rasmus Larsen ( Flatpaneldshd) for the Crystal black panel ( my English isn't that good, but I'm trying to do my best ) http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1362380114 , I wish he would answer me as soon as possible. See U.
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